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Migs, American Honda is as free to pay for a rider as is any manufacturer. How does this equate in your mind to the LEAGUE subsidizing a rider by directly brokering a deal?

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Well with Hayden on his way out of GPs in 2013....Dorna looks to have made the deal happen...and i could not have been for free for Aspar (conspiracy or just speculation)... otherwise Nicky would have been out of GPs considering his performance at Ducati was worse than his teammates'......
 
From what I know of VR...is he ..... with people to benefit himself. And from what I know about JLo is that he can be an emotional/over thoughtful worry wart. To anyone who doesn't think that this was thought out by VR, probably has blinders on. Do I think VR planned or plotted JLo losing it on the track...no, not at all...but as far as staying out longer on wets than he should have, and dragging JLo with him was to benefit himself.
 
From what I know of VR...is he ..... with people to benefit himself. And from what I know about JLo is that he can be an emotional/over thoughtful worry wart. To anyone who doesn't think that this was thought out by VR, probably has blinders on. Do I think VR planned or plotted JLo losing it on the track...no, not at all...but as far as staying out longer on wets than he should have, and dragging JLo with him was to benefit himself.

Absolutely! You have learned much of the ways of gamesmanship grasshopper. Valentino is the best at such, and as I've said before, its his experience that has trumped youthful exuberance.
 
Absolutely! You have learned much of the ways of gamesmanship grasshopper. Valentino is the best at such, and as I've said before, its his experience that has trumped youthful exuberance.

I just really hope this doesn't damage JLo's mentality too bad. I've really enjoyed these battles between MM, JLo & VR. Makes a far more exciting season compared to years past. I've never stood up so many times off my couch screaming at the TV. It's like, I finally know how people who watch football & other non-fun sports feel like.

Hopefully Jorge's helper can give him a few kisses & he'll be back to fighting in Aragon.
 
Well with Hayden on his way out of GPs in 2013....Dorna looks to have made the deal happen...and i could not have been for free for Aspar (conspiracy or just speculation)... otherwise Nicky would have been out of GPs considering his performance at Ducati was worse than his teammates'......

Wait, so you do subscribe to conspiracy....just selectively, ah the irony! I'm glad you at least stated "speculation" there Migs. Or as you might describe it as 'silver bullet'.

The only rider I would say other than Valentino has got a direct line with Dorna would be Marquez, though it didn't come in the form of a check but rather an 11th hour rules change. Still, the checks were cut by Honda not Dorna (if we are to split hairs).

Btw, I still think he should have taken the Wsbk seat, dumb of him not to.

As to the second point regarding your avi, are you going to "ignore" it (at least you would be actually doing what the word means) or are you going to bang on like Kesh that you are only interested in imparting messages about the "racing"? (Painting yourself into a corner doesn't mean I'm holding the brush if I point out the hypocrisy buddy).
 
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I just really hope this doesn't damage JLo's mentality too bad. I've really enjoyed these battles between MM, JLo & VR. Makes a far more exciting season compared to years past. I've never stood up so many times off my couch screaming at the TV. It's like, I finally know how people who watch football & other non-fun sports feel like.

Hopefully Jorge's helper can give him a few kisses & he'll be back to fighting in Aragon.

Oh for sure, this race was almost unwatchable! My buddies were texting me throughout the day about NFL scores combined with ooohs and aaahs, nothing really compares to a tension filled race like the one at Silverstone and Misano. Rain was killer enough, but rain dry and rain, just stab my heart already as I was close enough to a heart attack as ever. Hahaha
 
Absolutely! You have learned much of the ways of gamesmanship grasshopper. Valentino is the best at such, and as I've said before, its his experience that has trumped youthful exuberance.
Same as last round with MM, he created a situation where Jorge might be inclined to take risks, both by staying out too long on the wets and pushing too hard on cold slicks when he changed bikes a second time, and knowing Jorge's weakness in intermediate conditions.

Jorge needed to concentrate on having MM between him and Valentino, and once he didn't follow MM into the pits just on staying in front of Valentino, with the opportunity for major points gain probably gone with victory conceded to MM by both riders in staying out on wets.
 
From what I know of VR...is he ..... with people to benefit himself. And from what I know about JLo is that he can be an emotional/over thoughtful worry wart. To anyone who doesn't think that this was thought out by VR, probably has blinders on. Do I think VR planned or plotted JLo losing it on the track...no, not at all...but as far as staying out longer on wets than he should have, and dragging JLo with him was to benefit himself.
Possibly.

You're right that Jorge's complex psyche and cerebral side can be his own worst enemy but unlike his younger years in the feeder classes, it can also be his strength and his willingness to embrace sports psychology as a key part of his preparation has without doubt transformed him as a rider.

Vale is a wily cunning old sod though. But as crafty as he is, I think as he said, he expected it to rain again. Even if it had, the tyres were beginning to disintegrate quite badly. Had Rossi had pitted earlier like Marquez I believe he would have won - anything can happen in the remaining six races, but a 37 point lead on Jorge would have surely been unassailable.

I was so disappointed. I really want this to go to the wire. I would love to see Vale bag a tenth title, but equally would like to see Jorge win his fifth. I suppose, had it have stayed dry at Silverstone and Misano, it likely would have gone the other way and Lorenzo might have a built an 18 point lead on Rossi, but instead, Vale has gapped him by 23. Racing is all about taking your chances. Rossi's phenomenal ride at Silverstone aside, he is better than the rest in the wet...and it rained. Although he rues his luck - knowing he very likely have come away from the last to rounds with a 50 point haul, I like the way that Jorge has remained magnanimous, observing that luck has benefited him in the past - and that very simply, he must aim to win the final five races to compensate. With Aragon ridiculously favouring Honda, perhaps like last year, looking to next round, his best chance ironically may yet rest in the fickle vagaries of the Autumn Spanish climate.
 
Wait, so you do subscribe to conspiracy....just selectively, ah the irony! Maybe we should ask Kropo if Dorna checks are being issued to Nicky. I'm glad you at least stated "speculation" there Migs. Or as you might describe it as 'silver bullet'.

The only rider I would say other than Valentino has got a direct line with Dorna would be Marquez, though it didn't come in the form of a check but rather an 11th hour rules change. Still, the checks were cut by Honda not Dorna (if we are to split hairs).

As to the second point regarding your avi, are you going to "ignore" it (at least you would be actually doing what the word means) or are you going to bang on like Kesh that you are only interested in imparting messages about the "racing"? (Painting yourself into a corner doesn't mean I'm holding the brush if I point out the hypocrisy buddy).

Right...i don't subscribe to the conspiracy....Dorna and Bridgestone don't fix races for Rossi to win the title......can you find how much Dorna pays Rossi or what % he is paid by Dorna cause i cant find it anywhere....?

Rule change that MM benefited from was needed....if it had been up to me I would never have had in the first place....it tried to control the artificially control the rider market and it sucked....good decision by Dorna to drop it.

Regarding my avatar, not avitar......thanks for noticing my Avatar...you may know what it is, and for those that don't, it is Quetzalcoatl....he was Aztec god....I have it because of my family background which i have told you about in the past.....i am happy to discuss Avatars just start a new thread for the topic...i am sure others would like join in that discussion as well....
 
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Migs, I can't find exactly how much buddy, its a secret. You know, that tactic people use to conceal something.

Mexican Monkey!
 
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Rossi new he couldn't beat Lorenzo this race in the dry. The longer he could drag Lorenzo around on wets and the deeper they dropped in the field the less points Lorenzo would gain over Rossi.
just a thought.

But he couldn't guarantee that Lorenzo would take the bait. Nonetheless I was astonished that Jorge ignored his pit board instruction to change bikes. Perhaps as Mike points out, his reluctance to prematurely (in his mind) switch to slicks and his wariness of intermediate conditions may have deterred him from coming in where in sections, the track was still quite wet.

Remember that horrendous race at Doni in 2009 which Dovi won? Lorenzo went down then at Goddards. I remember posting back then that the lack of an intermediate tyre option was an outrage. Talps is right and I hope that this potentially lethal omission is reviewed and redressed with the reintroduction of Michelin.
 
Rossi new he couldn't beat Lorenzo this race in the dry. The longer he could drag Lorenzo around on wets and the deeper they dropped in the field the less points Lorenzo would gain over Rossi.
just a thought.
Excellent take. It's the thought I had. Then finishing both off the podium is beneficial to Rossi. Even if Rossi had come one or two places below Lorenzo it only meant one or two points.
 
Possibly.

You're right that Jorge's complex psyche and cerebral side can be his own worst enemy but unlike his younger years in the feeder classes, it can also be his strength and his willingness to embrace sports psychology as a key part of his preparation has without doubt transformed him as a rider.

Vale is a wily cunning old sod though. But as crafty as he is, I think as he said, he expected it to rain again. Even if it had, the tyres were beginning to disintegrate quite badly. Had Rossi had pitted earlier like Marquez I believe he would have won - anything can happen in the remaining six races, but a 37 point lead on Jorge would have surely been unassailable.

I was so disappointed. I really want this to go to the wire. I would love to see Vale bag a tenth title, but equally would like to see Jorge win his fifth. I suppose, had it have stayed dry at Silverstone and Misano, it likely would have gone the other way and Lorenzo might have a built an 18 point lead on Rossi, but instead, Vale has gapped him by 23. Racing is all about taking your chances. Rossi's phenomenal ride at Silverstone aside, he is better than the rest in the wet...and it rained. Although he rues his luck - knowing he very likely have come away from the last to rounds with a 50 point haul, I like the way that Jorge has remained magnanimous, observing that luck has benefited him in the past - and that very simply, he must aim to win the final five races to compensate. With Aragon ridiculously favouring Honda, perhaps like last year, looking to next round, his best chance ironically may yet rest in the fickle vagaries of the Autumn Spanish climate.

I agree with what you said about JLo, as much as I like to make jokes about how he's an emotional rider...I know that this is what makes him so flawless on the track. He's a perfectionist. Everything he has to do must be perfect & it shows. He's by far the best rider, in my opinion. He's smooth & technical...so when he ..... up...it's surprising & def a blow to his own gut. His psyche is def something that helps him & destroys him.

I'm hoping the yam boys still play nice...even if it's just for show. At least when they talk in the press conferences, they seem to enjoy this battle as much the fans.
 

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