MotoGP: 2015 Round 13 - Gran Premio TIM di San Marino (SPOILERS)

Gaz · Sep 14, 2015

Jumkie said:
Gaz, I said VRs departure from Yamaha was similar, not the same. Both left in a fit of ego where both manufacturers were displeased. Im not arguing magnitude. The point I made which neither of you dispute is that Dorna had to step in to repair the relationship, if not outright coerce a return. Dispute that.

I won't dispute it at all as you may well recall my comments when the words 'Valentino will be on a competitive machine next season' (or whatever they were as that is from memory) were uttered by Caramel Izspecial.

Arrabbiata1 said:
Remember that horrendous race at Doni in 2009 which Dovi won? Lorenzo went down then at Goddards. I remember posting back then that the lack of an intermediate tyre option was an outrage. Talps is right and I hope that this potentially lethal omission is reviewed and redressed with the reintroduction of Michelin.

Arrib, I may well be wrong (wouldn't be the first time ..... ask the wife) but I am sure that the lack of intermediate tyre was initially bought about by DORNA (we are talking a few years ago) rather than being a direct Bridgestone decision.

Not sure where I recall it and maybe it was a conspiracy theory but we are talking a few years ago when talk of flag to flag first germinated.

Either way be it B'stone or DORNA (and yes at times I do come across as a b'stone apologist) it is a stupid decision as a rider prepared to take the risk and start or swap to intermediates should be rewarded where circumstances allow.

JPSLotus · Sep 14, 2015

Keshav said:
No tangents here. I reached out to JP trying to speak in a reasoned tone hoping to end the back and forth vitriol. But I guess he would lose face if he were to respond in kind. Like they say; "No good deed goes unpunished".

Kesh your "reasoned tone" is you basically denying you lied, and bloviating endlessly to avoid offering an apology.

You engaged in a straw man in the Silverstone topic, then denied you ever did any such thing even when I showed you the quote multiple times. You suddenly had selective amnesia and pretended you said no such thing.

It has nothing to do with losing face, and everything to do with ensuring the record reflects that you're a sack of .....

Jumkie · Sep 14, 2015

Keshav said:
Never made any vow.

A HIATUS is what one makes of it. They don't come in standard lengths.

Valentino Rossi has announced he is taking a HIATUS from MotoGP. The HIATUS will include racing in every round until he announces his retirement from MotoGP. Uhm...it just doesn't have the same ring to it.

Hahaha thats awesome. Do the definition of words mean anything to you? You announced it to everyone that you were going to take a hiatus from the forum to reflect. When nobody answered your pathetic appeal for sympathy, you kept on posting without pause.

JPSLotus · Sep 14, 2015

Jumkie said:
Valentino Rossi has announced he is taking a HIATUS from MotoGP. The HIATUS will include racing in every round until he announces his retirement from MotoGP. Uhm...it just doesn't have the same ring to it.

Hahaha thats awesome. Do the definition of words mean anything to you? You announced it to everyone that you were going to take a hiatus from the forum to reflect. When nobody answered your pathetic appeal for sympathy, you kept on posting without pause.

This is what Kesh does.

States something as fact.

Finds out it's not true, gets called on it big time, or that no one cares.

Then argues semantics endlessly to try and make it look as if his original statement was taken out of context, or misunderstood.

Jumkie · Sep 14, 2015

Changing gears a bit. So I was talking to a buddy about Loris Baz. For those of you who follow World Superbike, he had some decent runs. Up for discussion. In your estimation do you consider this open class podium to be a fluke or something that can possibly lead to a serious consideration by a competitive team?

Dr No · Sep 14, 2015

Jumkie said:
hahaha, that was good. I had the privilege of living with two Australian Shepherds. We wouldn't be torturing robbing and killing eachother for ........ or persecuting people for our shortcomings if humans had more dog qualities. Now excuse me...

Bow Wow Bow Wow Bow Wow Bow Wow Bow Wow woof woof.

How the .... did a Seppo dog breed get that name?

Keshav · Sep 14, 2015

JPSLotus said:
Kesh your "reasoned tone" is you basically denying you lied, and bloviating endlessly to avoid offering an apology.

You engaged in a straw man in the Silverstone topic, then denied you ever did any such thing even when I showed you the quote multiple times. You suddenly had selective amnesia and pretended you said no such thing.

It has nothing to do with losing face, and everything to do with ensuring the record reflects that you're a sack of .....

Well everybody has their special dream. Some dream bigger than others. And some like yourself go on getting some pretend satisfaction by occupying a sham sense of moral high ground by claiming an imagined integrity by way of whining like a colicky infant demanding something they don't have claim on. I didn't lie and you won't get an apology. Continuing to do so makes you look like an imbecile - except to the three neanderthals on this forum who are content to pretend that this charade has any substance. You're playing to the cheap seats and welcome to them.

MdubSTYLIE · Sep 14, 2015

Keshav said:
Well everybody has their special dream. Some dream bigger than others. And some like yourself go on getting some pretend satisfaction by occupying a sham sense of moral high ground by claiming an imagined integrity by way of whining like a colicky infant demanding something they don't have claim on. I didn't lie and you won't get an apology. Continuing to do so makes you look like an imbecile - except to the three neanderthals on this forum who are content to pretend that this charade has any substance. You're playing to the cheap seats and welcome to them.

And you're playing with yourself. How about you shut the .... up already.

Keshav · Sep 14, 2015

Jumkie said:
Valentino Rossi has announced he is taking a HIATUS from MotoGP. The HIATUS will include racing in every round until he announces his retirement from MotoGP. Uhm...it just doesn't have the same ring to it.

Hahaha thats awesome. Do the definition of words mean anything to you? You announced it to everyone that you were going to take a hiatus from the forum to reflect. When nobody answered your pathetic appeal for sympathy, you kept on posting without pause.

What length of time by your esteemed estimation qualifies as a hiatus?

How little do you value your time that you waste it on trivial hair-splitting?

Never appealed for sympathy. Was lamenting the return of the Dark Ages at Powerslide brought on by the racing fan equivalent of the Tea Party and the decline of intelligent dialog and the return of low-brow mob mentality that drives away those who felt free to express diverse opinion without concern about being estranged from the discussion by goon-squads that only want to hear lowest common denominator opinions as espoused by the dimmest minds on the forum.

Keshav · Sep 14, 2015

MdubSTYLIE said:
And you're playing with yourself. How about you shut the .... up already.

Thanks Nimrod. You just proved my point.

MdubSTYLIE · Sep 14, 2015

Keshav said:
What length of time by your esteemed estimation qualifies as a hiatus?

How little do you value your time that you waste it on trivial hair-splitting?

Never appealed for sympathy. Was lamenting the return of the Dark Ages at Powerslide brought on by the racing fan equivalent of the Tea Party and the decline of intelligent dialog and the return of low-brow mob mentality that drives away those who felt free to express diverse opinion without concern about being estranged from the discussion by goon-squads that only want to hear lowest common denominator opinions as espoused by the dimmest minds on the forum.

Give it up! Thats just more lies. Anyone who says they are going to go on hiatus to think and doesn't even leave for 24 hours is a person with a dependency problem. You really have a problem Keshav and we are not it. You start this .... 100% of the time and try to turn it around. I am so tired of reading it which is why I never reply to you. Go away or don't I could careless, but quit trying to make people your vilians.

MdubSTYLIE · Sep 14, 2015

Keshav said:
Thanks Nimrod. You just proved my point.

And how does that make you feel buddy?
http://motogpforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=11193&stc=1&d=1442284435

JPSLotus · Sep 14, 2015

Laments the so-called "decline of intelligent dialog" and then tells MDub is a nimrod.

Guess you must be part of the problem as everyone has always said Kesh!

There's been some fantastic posts here, but they get lost in the shuffle when you make an appearance, and cause our brain cells to commit suicide every time they read one of your posts.

Jumkie · Sep 14, 2015

Dr No said:
How the .... did a Seppo dog breed get that name?

?

You on the sauce mate? Whats on tap?

J4rn0 · Sep 14, 2015

Jumkie said:
Rossi didn't make it rain nor make Lorenzo crash. For me the issue has always been that VRs few rivals (by design) not only have to compete on the track but also mitigate whatever effects from rules changes or tire "development" materialize during the season. ..........

Wrong assumptions Jum -- ALL riders have to do that all the time, Rossi included. It is easy to verify that rule changes made by Dorna were never designed to favor Rossi in particular (nor any rider, with the possible exception of Honda-Pedrosa with the 800cc formula; but this was imposed by Honda not by Dorna!).

And, do you really think Yamaha would prefer to have Pol Espargaro or Dovi rather than Rossi? The fact that they may have happily used Dorna's help to hire him back at a bargain price doesn't mean they didn't want him. The Japanese are shrewed negotiators. Rossi is desirable because he sells bikes, and is still one of the very few riders who can fully exploit a factory Yamaha.

MigsAngel · Sep 14, 2015

Jumkie said:
Thats exactly the kind of calling ........ that ran Kropo out of here. You hear that Kropo? Even Migs, your only forum friend has called ........ on you. Dont take it personal buddy.

Migs, that's not very nice to say that about Kropos. We want him to come back not stay away. We need to improve this forum.

Wait, so its a matter of fact now?' Superbiasplanet signed off saying there was speculation. I see your standards for conspiracy is lower than mine. Ah, I love this Miguel.

I guess not all conspiracies are created equal, the ones we support are facts.

Well unlike you, im going to believe Kropo, because he is my friend.

I actually listen to what Kropo writes as having much of a basis in reality than what I read in most other places....
Why? Simply put he actually knows the main players in MotoGP...where as you may have met one or two of them in your time but you have actual access to real information about what is happening or being said in the MotoGP paddock....

If Kropo reported that Yamaha was paid by Dorna to take back Rossi then i would be inclined to believe it.....so since i seem to have missed that post or article by him Jumkie, and you seem to know of it....can you please share it with me....

Regarding conspiracies thresholds.....until I read the source of your's... mine still has a bit higher level of credibility....even if it is from SOUP.....

KROPO,
Maybe you can help me and Jumkie....
Did Dorna pay for Rossi to return to Yamaha?
And what about Nicky is he on the Dorna pay role or was Aspar paid off to take him on?
Thanks

Arrabbiata1 · Sep 14, 2015

Gaz said:
Arrib, I may well be wrong (wouldn't be the first time ..... ask the wife) but I am sure that the lack of intermediate tyre was initially bought about by DORNA (we are talking a few years ago) rather than being a direct Bridgestone decision.

Not sure where I recall it and maybe it was a conspiracy theory but we are talking a few years ago when talk of flag to flag first germinated.

Either way be it B'stone or DORNA (and yes at times I do come across as a b'stone apologist) it is a stupid decision as a rider prepared to take the risk and start or swap to intermediates should be rewarded where circumstances allow.

No, you are entirely correct Gaz. Definitely was at the behest of Dorna and I might be wrong myself, but given the economic climate at the time I always assumed it to be a cost cutting measure. I was hoping with the change in supplier that this madness might come under review.

Arrabbiata1 · Sep 15, 2015

Jumkie said:
Changing gears a bit. So I was talking to a buddy about Loris Baz. For those of you who follow World Superbike, he had some decent runs. Up for discussion. In your estimation do you consider this open class podium to be a fluke or something that can possibly lead to a serious consideration by a competitive team?

Good rider. I remember some great rides in Superstock and although he also rode in BSB - not so affectionately regarded by Brits after the ructions with Sykes and race 2 at Qatar, the final race of last season.

Dr No · Sep 15, 2015

Jumkie said:
?

You on the sauce mate? Whats on tap?

Carlton at the moment.
Australian Shepherds aren't Australian, no matter how much I drink.
My dog however.

Dr No · Sep 15, 2015

Arrabbiata1 said:
Good rider. I remember some great rides in Superstock and although he also rode in BSB - not so affectionately regarded by Brits after the ructions with Sykes and race 2 at Qatar, the final race of last season.

Obviously a good rider, but weight aside, poor guy suffers from Rob McElnea (sp?) syndrome

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