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MotoGP: 2015 Round 13 - Gran Premio TIM di San Marino (SPOILERS)

I won't dispute it at all as you may well recall my comments when the words 'Valentino will be on a competitive machine next season' (or whatever they were as that is from memory) were uttered by Caramel Izspecial.

Can't find the exact article, but there is a reference to it here:

Valentino Rossi: ?I hope I can race next year with a competitive bike? | MCN

Dorna boss Carmelo Ezpeleta was quoted in a recent interview saying that the 33-year-old will be riding competitive machinery in 2013, but refused to say with which manufacturer.


Changing gears a bit. So I was talking to a buddy about Loris Baz. For those of you who follow World Superbike, he had some decent runs. Up for discussion. In your estimation do you consider this open class podium to be a fluke or something that can possibly lead to a serious consideration by a competitive team?

I rate Baz. Many brits don't like him because of the Tom Sykes bit like Arrab said. But I always rate a rider/driver on their mixed conditions skills. And all of Baz' best results have come in mixed conditions which tells me the boy has awesome bike control, feel and can ride.

I won't go as far as saying he's WC material as his dry form can be inconsistent (there were a couple of WSBK rounds where he got pole and was expected to win, but faded on race day) but I'd certainly like to see him on a better bike. Rumours are he's off to Avintia next yr.
 
Kesh your "reasoned tone" is you basically denying you lied, and bloviating endlessly to avoid offering an apology.

You engaged in a straw man in the Silverstone topic, then denied you ever did any such thing even when I showed you the quote multiple times. You suddenly had selective amnesia and pretended you said no such thing.

It has nothing to do with losing face, and everything to do with ensuring the record reflects that you're a sack of .....

Talk about being thin skinned....get over it JPS and move on.....if you are so bent out of shape over what ever the issue is then report it to Duc....if its nothing really as most of these things are on here then drop it and move on....
Thanks
 
No, you are entirely correct Gaz. Definitely was at the behest of Dorna and I might be wrong myself, but given the economic climate at the time I always assumed it to be a cost cutting measure. I was hoping with the change in supplier that this madness might come under review.

That would be about the way I remember it as well Arrib in that it was said to be a cost cutting measure but also seemed to 'appear' as an idea when flag to flag was being discussed and as we know, intermediates would or at least could heavily mean that were a rider on intermediates from the start, they may not need to take advantage of a bike change.

Now wouldn't that be interesting to throw an intermediate clad rider into the mix like the weekend
 
Well everybody has their special dream. Some dream bigger than others. And some like yourself go on getting some pretend satisfaction by occupying a sham sense of moral high ground by claiming an imagined integrity by way of whining like a colicky infant demanding something they don't have claim on. I didn't lie and you won't get an apology. Continuing to do so makes you look like an imbecile - except to the three neanderthals on this forum who are content to pretend that this charade has any substance. You're playing to the cheap seats and welcome to them.

As per my post to JPS....drop it and move on....if its an issue then report it...let Duc decide what to do....thanks...
 
Obviously a good rider, but weight aside, poor guy suffers from Rob McElnea (sp?) syndrome

Rob Mac had the aerodynamics of a barn door. I still remember his desperate attempts to tuck in and make himself 'small' behind the tiny fairing of the Pepsi Suzuki down the mistral straight at Ricard in '88.

Hayden looked much the same on the Pedrocycle in 2007.
 
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It could be sure.....and Jumkie could really be half Welsh....but its not likely...

Miguel, it seems the concept is lost on you. Like #22 says, read the introductions thread - it's a free for all. Except it was. I had a go earlier and unless I typed it in wrongly, this communal account is barred already.

There's a confession for you...I 'had a go earlier' on a rent boy. Hard times.
 
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Miguel, it seems the concept is lost on you. Like #22 says, read the introductions thread - it's a free for all. Except it was. I had a go earlier and unless I typed it in wrongly, this communal account is barred already.

There's a confession for you...I 'had a go earlier' on a rent boy. Hard times.

Thanks for clarifying....i didnt have a go hence why i didnt know.....:eek:
 
Wrong assumptions Jum -- ALL riders have to do that all the time, Rossi included. It is easy to verify that rule changes made by Dorna were never designed to favor Rossi in particular (nor any rider, with the possible exception of Honda-Pedrosa with the 800cc formula; but this was imposed by Honda not by Dorna!).

And, do you really think Yamaha would prefer to have Pol Espargaro or Dovi rather than Rossi? The fact that they may have happily used Dorna's help to hire him back at a bargain price doesn't mean they didn't want him. The Japanese are shrewed negotiators. Rossi is desirable because he sells bikes, and is still one of the very few riders who can fully exploit a factory Yamaha.
Friend, may I remind you that you also asserted Ducati had done nothing special nor radical to accommodate Rossi while at Ducati? Whi here would agree with that assessment of the account?


Good to read that you concede Dorna having to repair the relationship, but your revision now, like migs, has attempted to gloss over the reality of the switch to Ducati. The Japanese also value honor, which was lost when Rossi left in a fit of personal ego. It took Dorna to repair if not outright coerce a return. Honda are Japanese too, are u going to make a case Honda wanted him back? Neither wanted him back because he is an egotistical person who has fits in the media making everybody the villain including his employers. Rossi bad mouthed Ducati, you think Yamaha didn't notice!? Who wants a guy like that? Remember when he had a mock interview in the media with Graziano? Oh you had forgot about that. Using the media to whine and badmouth. You guys compare Rossi now to this notion that he was coveted, but truth is he had wore out his welcome with his primadonna fits at the time. Again, the LEAGUE had to step in! You guys can after the fact rationalize all you want but that doesn't change the history of what actually happened. And because Yamaha were coerced to accept him back does not make others less capable, as again we have been conditioned to believe AGAIN the lie that was believed before his Ducati stint. Make no mistake, Rossi was ushered back by Carmelo himself (thanks Gaz for reminding me of his words that had declared and betrayed the backroom deal). Again, Carmelo was happy to have Rossi on the podium, but with a 1:3 chance at a title, that was a no brainer. As much as Migs has tried to discredit Kropo (ah the irony) even J4rno concedes Dorna's involvement despite your bias about how this played out.

Regarding the level playing field. I think you forgot how we got to a single tire supplier. Revisit the sequence of events, as you should realize it revolved around Rossi. The guy who threated to leave if he didn't get Bridgestones!!! Yes the one threat that has been the ice bucket for Dorna, the same motivation then was the same motivation that sent cold shivers if Rossi threatened to retire instead of riding for Ducati another few years!

Excuse me Yamaha, we have an offer you can't refuse....

DORNA 2015 World Champion
 
.... you, you stupid ... mother ....... dumb ... ..... .... faced .... breath piece of .... keshav! Choke on a .... sandwich beeoootch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BRILLIANT!

Only Kesh can solicit such a reaction. Good call Arrabi, I just noticed the login info up for grabs. And may I add, a productive use of that access!
 
I actually listen to what Kropo writes as having much of a basis in reality than what I read in most other places....
Why? Simply put he actually knows the main players in MotoGP...where as you may have met one or two of them in your time but you have actual access to real information about what is happening or being said in the MotoGP paddock....

First of all, thanks for finally chastising Kesh, im glad you finally noticed he IS the problem dragging this forum down.

Second, im glad we are having this civil conversation about racing. (Kesh could learn a thing or two, but I guess he rather be lashing out at people, ih well, live and let live). Anyway, so Miguel, I read Kropo too, and like you, I have also had to question and filter his opinions and pronouncements. I agree, he is an insider...and would therefore be in a position to know stuff. It's why I believe him when he said Dorna subsidized a return for Rossi to Yamaha. You perhaps would call him a liar. I on the other had dare to debate his 'opinions' which frankly are up for debate. Which do you think is more honorable?--calling a man a liar or debating a man's opinion about something?

Anyhoo, I think Dorna has had a long and well documented role in Valentino's success and record. I don't believe he would have ever won another race had he been made to sleep in the bed he had chosen at Ducati. But...when you are the LEAGUE, fortunes change.
 
BRILLIANT!

Only Kesh can solicit such a reaction. Good call Arrabi, I just noticed the login info up for grabs. And may I add, a productive use of that access!

But...but, it wasn't me...it wouldn't let me log on!!??! shame, I was about to hurl a series of racial stereotypes at you by proxy concerning lawn mowers, leaf blowers and dead donkeys.

Incidentally, has the postman been yet?
 
No, you are entirely correct Gaz. Definitely was at the behest of Dorna and I might be wrong myself, but given the economic climate at the time I always assumed it to be a cost cutting measure. I was hoping with the change in supplier that this madness might come under review.
Wouldn't be the first time behests from Dorna regarding tires. J4rno reminded me how we ended up with a single tire supplier. Does anybody believe we would have got to this point if Rossi would have been winning on Michelin that Dorna would gave strong armed us all to Bridgestone?

Ah yes, and that old tried and tested cost cutting justification, the one that they used to go green via fuel conservation. Except of course it cost millions more to develop an electronic package to "save" fuel.

Shall we talk about the changes Dorna made for "safety"? The 2007 Bridgestones were unsafe so lets change them for 2008. Oh I know they didnt say that, but I bet they could have. Rossi not winning was 'unsafe' for Dorna, thats for sure.
 
As per my post to JPS....drop it and move on....if its an issue then report it...let Duc decide what to do....thanks...
You here that Kesh? In a polite way Migs is telling you ti shut the .... up. Stop destroying this forum. Some of us come here to talk about racing in a civilized manner.

One correct though Migs, im not in the habit of snitching, but asking Kesh to report it might be a bit redundant. Anyway, thanks for having the courage of chastising Kesh. This forum is finally enjoying activity again.
 
Ah yes, and that old tried and tested cost cutting justification, the one that they used to go green via fuel conservation. Except of course it cost millions more to develop an electronic package to "save" fuel.

:D:D:D:D

Shall we talk about the changes Dorna made for "safety"?

The very inception of the 800cc formula. For the large part, dreadful, tedious monorail processional 'racing' aside it was supposedly justified by the fact that the 990s were too powerful, but as King Kenny predicted, by the end of winter testing the 800cc bikes were lapping faster due to their superior corner speed. And where do 99% of the accidents happen?
 
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Jum, settle down bud. Your throwing hand grenades on the good work you've done to revive this place. This place has always been a rossihaters.com, probably best not to encourage that even more with the same old .... you can't prove, otherwise most of us will once again just 'take the piss' instead of taking part, and the tumbleweeds will be all that's left keeping Kesh company again.
 
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