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VR has no problem with it since he tacitly refuses to call out the fans.

Saying the riders need to be respected is a wishy-washy statement if there ever was one.

If you read the comments on just about any article, post, blog, the overwhelming sentiment is that Rossi is to blame for this and its hurting his reputation and losing him fans. Public sentiment will back them into a corner and like most cowards, they will slink off when the hot white spotlight gets turned their way. Jorge will get a talking too for flipping off fans even though they deserve it and much more. Although it hasnt affected his riding, it has affected him, leaving the #1 bike and now getting dragged into it emotionally. Jorge, you dont wrestle with pigs.
 
If you read the comments on just about any article, post, blog, the overwhelming sentiment is that Rossi is to blame for this and its hurting his reputation and losing him fans. Public sentiment will back them into a corner and like most cowards, they will slink off when the hot white spotlight gets turned their way. Jorge will get a talking too for flipping off fans even though they deserve it and much more. Although it hasnt affected his riding, it has affected him, leaving the #1 bike and now getting dragged into it emotionally. Jorge, you dont wrestle with pigs.
It is just getting bizarre now, particularly when MM and JL can race as they just did with no post race recriminations between them.

This 8th/10th title which his posterity never required anyway is bidding fair to consume Rossi.
 
Cracking race by Lorenzo. The Rossi love from the BT commentators went even further than usual this time and was bordering on infatuation. I'm sure sometimes they would like every other ride to stop so that Rossi could romp to victory.

I won't deny Rossi's amazing talent and impressive hunger for victory but their praise for him becomes is just so overbearing that you want to just ask, do you not actually want to see a race and people competing against the man!

Still as soon as he was gone, you could see that they were willing Marquez and all too quick to pronounce him the victor. Then when he lost in the drag to the line, they had to offer the excuse of the Honda's problems.

Lorenzo's persistence on the bike with both Rossi and then Marquez hounding him was hugely impressive. The commentators barely concealed hostility to him was not.
 
Point proven



Why don't you enlighten us oh chosen one?

Amazing race today, was on the edge of my seat. As others have said, Lorenzo was a machine but Marquez was the rider of the day for me, he was at and sometimes over the limit for the whole race and did well to keep Lorenzo as honest as he did, well done.

Vinales shat the bed, and my outside bet for the weekend (Iannone) wouldn't have been far off had he not flunked his start.

I was disappointed in a way that Rossi's engine let go depriving us of a battle. Though I think he may have had to pace to pip Lorenzo sadly well never know now.

Talking of Rossi, I was personally irritated that he rode around for a good 1/3 of a lap with smoke pouring from his bike, sometimes on the racing line/corner apex. He, more than anyone, knows that this is totally unacceptable, what the hell was he thinking? In warmup Lorenzo stopped almost immediately on the outside of the track.

That was unforgiveable for Rossi to do that.

Yes, I thought the same. Pretty poor attitude considering what would have been coming out. Maybe he just couldn't fathom how it had happened when Jarvis had promised that it would be Jorge's bike that would blow up in the race.
 
Cracking race by Lorenzo. The Rossi love from the BT commentators went even further than usual this time and was bordering on infatuation. I'm sure sometimes they would like every other ride to stop so that Rossi could romp to victory.

I won't deny Rossi's amazing talent and impressive hunger for victory but their praise for him becomes is just so overbearing that you want to just ask, do you not actually want to see a race and people competing against the man!

Still as soon as he was gone, you could see that they were willing Marquez and all too quick to pronounce him the victor. Then when he lost in the drag to the line, they had to offer the excuse of the Honda's problems.

Lorenzo's persistence on the bike with both Rossi and then Marquez hounding him was hugely impressive. The commentators barely concealed hostility to him was not.

The way Nick Harris & Co. were reacting on the world feed, you'd think a rider had just died on track since their intones were bordering on the Simoncelli crash in 2011. Was unreal to listen to.
 
I had a thought about the period of the race prior to Rossi's engine blowing up.

It in a nutshell encapsulates how much better GP overall is compared to the 2001/2002 period thru 2005. Had that been Max Biaggi in the lead instead of Jorge Lorenzo, does anyone really believe Rossi doesn't get past him on one of the first 3 to 4 laps? Actually does anyone of that time period even simply not bend with Rossi trying every trick in the book to get past?

It's really a window into how good it was for GP if you are a racing fan, when things started to change in 2006 when the first crop of good talent showed up in Stoner and Pedrosa, and Hayden began the charge against the Rossi-era with his title. In spite of the 2008 and 2009 titles Rossi won, the talent overall has more than matched him and then some. As I've said, these riders, Lorenzo and Marquez in particular do not buy into the Rossi myth, and are not shaken by Rossi at all. That is simply wonderful for racing fans since we see them giving 100% out there, and are not easily rattled out of it.

While many lamented Rossi's exit today, and considered the race over, much like the Ducati period for Rossi, it's always nice to see that great racing happens without Rossi. I wish GP could understand that there is a future without him, and it's nowhere near as bleak as they and others are imagining.

Absolutely spot on post. I used to get so cross with the BBC in the time of Rossi and Gibernau that they gave such little love to Sete. MotoGP is exciting when riders are duking it out and if you want that, you have to help with the confidence of both riders to ensure that they keep giving their fullest.

Sete tried his damndest (sp?) to bring the fight to Rossi but not only was he fighting him on the track, he was fighting him in the pit lane, in the commentary booths and the press conferences.

By always siding with Rossi and disappearing up his bottom, all the media did was deprive us of some great battles. I respected, and still respect, Rossi's talent and tenacity but to lift his game he needs good opponents and it just seemed that the press were always doing everything they could to knock down his competitors before they had a chance to face him.

When Stoner and Hayden came along that weren't afraid to stand up to the man and challenge him on the track and in the pits, the racing and excitement got better but still the commentators couldn't recognise the short sightedness of their dismissive attitude to any of this rivals.

Motorcycle racing is as much about confidence and the mind as it is the bike and whilst I'm not saying that the riders had to be treated with kid gloves, a little encouragement to someone other than the perpetual favourite can build a race, a championship and a decent level of competition - which is what the viewers tune in to watch.

This is one of the reasons why I so liked Stoner and now Lorenzo. They weren't afraid to take the fight to Rossi and not succumb to his intimidatory mind games. They had the balls to believe in themselves and their talent despite the wave of snide comments and measured recognition from the TV channels.
 
Definitely seems plausible that the engines were over-revving. But the thing I'd like to know is if any other bikes were having the rear wheel come off the ground, and if not, why was Yamaha the only one to experience that?

Yamaha overrevved its engines at Mugello, or at least that's the theory that the team has before the Japanese engineers open up the two units that blew up on Sunday.

Speaking to Motorsport.com, a source from the team said that the most likely cause for the engine failures Jorge Lorenzo suffered during the warm-up and Valentino Rossi on the ninth lap of the race, was the undulation on the main straight of the Italian circuit.

At that point, the rear tyre - spinning at around 380 km/h in the air - loses grip, leading to an increase in revs per minute for the engine.

"That, combined with this year's electronics, which are less sophisticated and precise, probably had an influence in the ignition cut-off," said the source.

Yamaha wants to be cautious, and does not want to give a final verdict on the two problems suffered on the same day and, probably, for the same reason.

Initially, Rossi suggested that a piece used in both units was probably defective, a theory that loses weight as times passes.

"You have to keep in mind also that Valentino was running behind Jorge all the time, and that probably meant he had no clean air to cool down the engine," adds the Yamaha team member.

"Also, running in his slipstream meant Rossi's bike reached speeds it had not managed during the weekend."

In fact, Lorenzo set his top speed (340.9 km/h) on lap 22 of the race.

Rossi, meanwhile, reached 343.2 on the seventh lap, but matched or bettered his teammate's top speed five times: 340.9 km/h on the second lap, 342.9 on the fourth, 342.7 on the sixth, 343.2 on the seventh and 342.9 on the ninth, which he didn't complete.
Reliable engines

MotoGP engines don't fail often. In fact, the last time it happened to Yamaha in a race was in 2012 (to the luckless Ben Spies).

The one Rossi lost on Sunday was the third of the seven allowed by the rules. It made its debut in FP3 at Jerez, where it was used in FP3, FP4, qualifying, warm-up and the race, which he won.

At Le Mans he used it again on Sunday, both in the warm-up and the race, as he did at Mugello.

Keeping in mind that in some practice sessions he used two engines, jumping on track two or three times, it means Rossi's third engine had around 500 to 550 kilometres, an extraordinarily small amount for an engine to fail.

Yamaha suspects overrevving to blame for engine failures
 
For JKD, Casey Stoner is living the dream in Tuscany...

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Good on Casey, great to see him living and enjoying the good life.
 
Problem I have is seeing him sit in the garage.

I can't imagine he isn't actually wishing he was on track.

Don't get me wrong. I'd love to see him duking it out on the track whilst he is in his prime but if he can't be then I'm pleased to see him enjoying the spoils of his success.
 
Problem I have is seeing him sit in the garage.

I can't imagine he isn't actually wishing he was on track.



Thats the impression I got from his face when camera showed him. He had the look of WTF is wrong with the these two??? I'd be leading if it were me...
 
A bit selective J4 as context is critical is it not.

From Jack Miller - https://www.facebook.com/JackMillerAus/?fref=nf

Can't blame him!! After some of the noises coming out of the crowd over the weekend Would have probably cracked way earlier��������

Obviously Jack was there and so knows the abuse that bought this on

I knew irony would go completely over JPS's head, but I am a little surprised you missed it. ;)
 
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...funny, my previous post was held and then doesn't appear here.

Is this a joke? :)
 
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Who is the mod ? They should be sorting the spam out and not holding genuine posts up imo .
 

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