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2024 MotoGP Round 7: Gran Premio d'Italia Brembo - Mugello

MdubSTYLIE said:
You are joking right? Other than braking, accelerating, and cornering I guess they are pretty equal. Show me one rider who is riding the gp23 better than they did the gp22.
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What do you expect from him and @gui22a ? I pick the most basic improvement and they can't even handle the idea that something on the GP24 is better than the GP23. It's delusional thinking.
 
gui22a said:
Yes, they have the current 2 best riders onboard.

It's funny how some guys conveniently ignore Pecco and Martin (and also Enea who was in his home race) as responsible for the great GP24 performance to try to justify why MM is not winning. Last year the same two riders was onboard the GP23, supposedly a worse bike than the GP22, and they together won 90% of the season races.

Give all the Ducati riders the GP24 and both Pecco and Martin would still be winning and leading the tables exactly as they are now.
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So the fact that Enea is miles better on the gp24 doesn't tell you anything? The fact that the riders who went from the 22 to the 23 are way worse doesn't tell you anything?

You are convinced that Pecco and Martin are better than MM is more valid than our opinion that MM is better than them? Based on what? Because as I said above, I can prove by other riders results that the 24 is miles better than the 23. But you can't do the same.
 
JPSLotus said:
What do you expect from him and @gui22a ? I pick the most basic improvement and they can't even handle the idea that something on the GP24 is better than the GP23. It's delusional thinking.
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Its blind hatred for Marc trying to debate against this thing called evidence. Looking stupid has never been a problem to the Rossi cult.
 
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MdubSTYLIE said:
Its blind hatred for Marc trying to debate against this thing called evidence. Looking stupid has never been a problem to the Rossi cult.
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Agreed 100% on that.

The fact that Marc can run with the GP24's when the rest of the GP23's are nowhere to be found unlike last season with the GP22, is insane.

But today even his ability was not enough to make any real in-roads on the GP24's. I didn't think he was going to stay in front of Enea to the end. He made a great effort to try and do something but it just was one of those days. But the points haul matters at the end of the day.

I do wonder if these folks got all excited when they saw Valentino getting touchy-feely with Pecco on the grid.
 
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MdubSTYLIE said:
So the fact that Enea is miles better on the gp24 doesn't tell you anything? The fact that the riders who went from the 22 to the 23 are way worse doesn't tell you anything?
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I stopped reading right there.

About Enea, yes it tells me last year he had 2 hard crashes that wiped out his season and his adaptation process.
 
gui22a said:
Digia GP23: 7th place, total time: 41'01.461
Digia GP22: 14th place, total time: 41'42.769
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It's also about where they are starting and finishing. The race distance time is irrelevant when everyone has improved upon their times. You act as if it is somehow exclusive to only the Ducati's.
 
gui22a said:
I stopped reading right there.

About Enea, yes it tells me last year the had 2 hard crashes that wiped out his season and his adaptation process.
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Continue reading or stop debating. Basing your opinion on half facts is your problem. The best way to tell that the gp24 is better is with your eyes or by reading anything anyone inside the paddock has said.
 
gui22a said:
You asked for one rider.

BTW...
Bez 2024: 41'11.731
Bez 2023: 41'29.517
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More half facts. So the fact that 13th was faster than 8th last year means the gp23 is better? Taking no consideration into track conditions or anything else. Showing that Bezz was faster this year makes the fact the Digi was fast mean less. You disproved your single bit of info by posting this.
 
JPSLotus said:
It's also about where they are starting and finishing. The race distance time is irrelevant when everyone has improved upon their times. You act as if it is somehow exclusive to only the Ducati's.
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In the same sense, you do the same. You acted as if every GP23 rider is an alien and capable of fighting for wins every race, as if no other brand and rider on the grid have evolved to give them a good competition, as if there are only Ducatis racing and not a superior 2024 Aprilia and KTM Acosta making the life of GP23 riders more difficult than last year.
 
MdubSTYLIE said:
More half facts. So the fact that 13th was faster than 8th last year means the gp23 is better? Taking no consideration into track conditions or anything else. Showing that Bezz was faster this year makes the fact the Digi was fast mean less. You disproved your single bit of info by posting this.
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bla bla bla bla.... same .... as always, bro.

Ok if MM had the GP24 he would have won 3 races already and leading the table 50 points ahead of anyone. You are right!
 
gui22a said:
In the same sense, you do the same. You acted as if every GP23 rider is an alien and capable of fighting for wins every race, as if no other brand and rider on the grid have evolved to give them a good competition, as if there are only Ducatis racing and not a superior 2024 Aprilia and KTM Acosta making the life of GP23 riders more difficult than last year.
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Did we watch the same race today?
 
gui22a said:
bla bla bla bla.... same .... as always, bro.

Ok if MM had the GP24 he would have won 3 races already and leading the table 50 points ahead of anyone. You are right!
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Had Pecco not taken Marc out in Portugal and had he not had a brake issue in Austin Marc would be leading points even without the most current bike. No one since testing has said anything but the 24 bike is better. Day one of testing the talk was how much better the gp 24 could brake.
 
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Gp24 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 5th.

Gp23 4th, 7th, 9th, 13th.

Question do you think Morbidelli 5 races in is a better rider than Digi year two?
 
GP24 at the beginning of the season is not a clear winner vs GP23, but It will be better as Ducati will be able to fix new issues.

So what is the time frame of the "beginning of the season"? In my opinion it is the first 6 races, both in F1 and MotoGP.

Now, race 7, GP24 is better, and will get even higher level. But in which area, it is still in debate. You guys believe that "better in every area" which is laughable, You guys cannot point out any evidence, just write down your feelings.

The true better objects are the ones riding bikes number 1 and 89.

MdubSTYLIE said:
You are joking right? Other than braking, accelerating, and cornering I guess they are pretty equal. Show me one rider who is riding the gp23 better than they did the gp22.
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mmnumaone said:
Everything except rear grip of gp23
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MdubSTYLIE said:
Had Pecco not taken Marc out in Portugal and had he not had a brake issue in Austin Marc would be leading points even without the most current bike. No one since testing has said anything but the 24 bike is better. Day one of testing the talk was how much better the gp 24 could brake.
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Had Pecco not crashed here and there, had Martin no crashed yesterday, if that, if this, if if if..

I understand why MM fans are worried now that the other riders can see his data and secrets and have close the gap to all the advantages he had and he no longer can make a big difference. You know what? That's the true reason why Dalligna wanted MM onboard a Ducati.

Times are different now, my friend. MM won't have an easy life. Stop crying and enjoy the show.
 

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