2024 Round 14: Gran Premio Pramac dell’Emilia-Romagna - Misano World Circuit Marco Simoncelli

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The Bastianini pass was too much. He was never making the corner, and doing so ensured Martin was absolutely not making the corner to a far worse degree due to required evasive action.

Bastiaini left the track, after berming on Martins bike, so the slight touch to the paint and his completion of corner was improved by the Pramac Ducati. Call should have been drop 1 position.
 
michaelm said:
My view as well. This applies to Martin also, I don’t think either of them has much in the way of racecraft, they both just ride flat out all the time then blame equipment when things come unstuvk. I am sure there are sometimes issues with the Michelin tyres and the aero bikes on occasion, but riding flat out constantly like MM did in his early career is fraught with peril, as MM himself discovered in 2015. If he did have a tyre issue early it left him with too much ground to make up to Riders in Martin and Bastianini who were fast themselves, you take what is available as MM did for his later titles.

If Bastianini can consistently show the pace he did this weekend he is a chance imo, as has been pointed out he hasn’t dnfed this season, and does know how to manage a race/conserve his tyres etc. he just hasn’t been as consistently fast as the 2 leaders at all tracks. MM on a GP23 basically needs 3 fast riders on faster bikes to come unstuck, so his hopes this year are forlorn unless there are a large number of wet races or other low grip race conditions.
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Unstuck
 
JFM01 said:
Marc no higher than 4th unless one of the GP24s suffers a DNF.
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Perfect prediction
AnnoyingTwit said:
My prediction of Acosta for top KTM seems firmer now.
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Acosta and Binder seemed hell bent on being the first non Ducati and neither wanted to be the second KTM so not surprised that one of them crashed AKA Binder. After that I saw that Acosta still had the red mist and was looking like he was pushing past the edge so I was thinking he will crash.
synn said:
What is going on, did Bagnaia find a Nitrous button on his handlebar?
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Just prior to this I was thinking what's the problem Bagnaia is having? He is going to be overtaken by MM and Bezzecchi, then as you say he found the Nitro button. Wasn't anticipating him to crash, that was a surprise
 
My takeaways from the last round:

- The tires are as much of a potential hindrance to the series as aero, if Bagnaia's comments are not deflection. I tend to believe him, as the crash wasn't your typical one and his pace was very low, for the first time in two weekends, before he managed to push.
- At last we had a proper last lap battle!
- If you swap the red bike to a Repsol HRC and put a well known multiple world champion in the same role as the winner, it would only have been a rerun of multiple overtakes by said rider.
- The odds for Canet finishing 2nd must be lower than Honda finishing last in the constructors standings in MotoGP
- Alonso will be the next world champion while the fight for the second spot is as fierce as ever
- Next one to feel the pressure in that class is Angel Piqueras. Sink or swim?

On to Asia!
 
Sennas_Caress said:
My takeaways from the last round:

- The tires are as much of a potential hindrance to the series as aero, if Bagnaia's comments are not deflection. I tend to believe him, as the crash wasn't your typical one and his pace was very low, for the first time in two weekends, before he managed to push.
- At last we had a proper last lap battle!
- If you swap the red bike to a Repsol HRC and put a well known multiple world champion in the same role as the winner, it would only have been a rerun of multiple overtakes by said rider.
- The odds for Canet finishing 2nd must be lower than Honda finishing last in the constructors standings in MotoGP
- Alonso will be the next world champion while the fight for the second spot is as fierce as ever
- Next one to feel the pressure in that class is Angel Piqueras. Sink or swim?

On to Asia!
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Prediction: Piqueras will swim.
 
Barbedwirebikerr said:
The Bastianini pass was too much. He was never making the corner, and doing so ensured Martin was absolutely not making the corner to a far worse degree due to required evasive action.

Bastiaini left the track, after berming on Martins bike, so the slight touch to the paint and his completion of corner was improved by the Pramac Ducati. Call should have been drop 1 position.
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Agree with you.
I'm totally for this type of moves which tend to be rare at the front now BUT only if Bestia was able to turn on the track. Haters gonna hate, but Marquez' comment should be the rule. I still believe there was no penalty to avoid 5 points more for Martin and let an Italian rider win for Ducati Corse in Italy.
 
My take on it was Enea had more pace that Jorge and had been looking for an opportunity to make a pass for a couple of laps. Jorge knew he was faster and was defending with great skill and leaving no space for any attempt. Enea decided his only option was a to block pass Jorge on that corner. He got a good drive out of the previous corner and got nearly alongside Jorge who then started to get slightly squirrely in his attempts to defend. They entered the corner side by side so it’s obvious Jorge is going to lose out if Enea stays up right as he’s going the longest distance. Jorge tried to out muscle Enea who was having non of it and eventually made a good decision to run wide and concede the corner. That’s all there was to it. No dirty riding or dark arts. Merely the irresistible force meeting the immovable object.
 
Sennas_Caress said:
My takeaways from the last round:

- The tires are as much of a potential hindrance to the series as aero, if Bagnaia's comments are not deflection. I tend to believe him, as the crash wasn't your typical one and his pace was very low, for the first time in two weekends, before he managed to push.
- At last we had a proper last lap battle!
- If you swap the red bike to a Repsol HRC and put a well known multiple world champion in the same role as the winner, it would only have been a rerun of multiple overtakes by said rider.
- The odds for Canet finishing 2nd must be lower than Honda finishing last in the constructors standings in MotoGP
- Alonso will be the next world champion while the fight for the second spot is as fierce as ever
- Next one to feel the pressure in that class is Angel Piqueras. Sink or swim?

On to Asia!
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I am curious, did Pecco's rental car have Michelin tires when he ditched it?
 
I don't have much to add other than what has been said here. What I will say though, is what scared me most about the Martin/Bastiannini clash was how close Martin was to getting his leg broken

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For context, this is what happened to Lori Baz in a similar incident (photo and video below)

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JPSLotus said:
I have to think some more about this move...

My initial reaction is it wasn't necessary at all.
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I agree, it was a divebomb.
JPSLotus said:
But Jorge really got good results regardless, and with Pecco crashing out yet again under pressure, my estimation of him is waffling back and forth. Don't take that to mean I think he is a bad rider or some ..... like that. But he really seems to thrive on creating the worst possible situations for himself.
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JPSLotus said:
For the record, this is why Marc was signed in the end in my opinion. Pecco lacks that consistency you see from Marc when the stakes are the highest.
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This is something I've been saying about Bagnaia for a long time. He had 3rd place in the bag and agin he binned it. He has had a habit of this for his previous 2 championship seasons. Compare that with Marc, who absolutely maximised his 2 Misano outings, especially yesterday where he stayed on the bike and got a podium. If Marc is the force we expect him to be next yr, Bagnaia cannot keep doing this.
MichaelBolton said:
If Marquez made that move everyone would be calling for his head, Italians specially.
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Go look at Motorsport.com, they already are harping back to Assen 2015.
JPSLotus said:
So I wrote earlier in the topic that I thought Martin's title chances were up in smoke and he pulled ahead significantly in the title race.

We have Indonesia next weekend, so I have no idea at this point what is going to happen there at all. You can't predict this .... I swear.

It's starting to look like a real possibility that the #1 plate could be on an Aprilia next season.

If that does in fact happen, could one make a case for Ducati silently backing Marc next season if they think Pecco is entirely at fault for all of this?
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Don't worry, both Martin and Bagnaia will bin from podium positions again this season.
Sennas_Caress said:
Why would an Italian stud, who rides an Italian bike and has an Italian supercar, use anything but an Italian tyre?
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Michelin are Francais...
 
#22 said:
I don't have much to add other than what has been said here. What I will say though, is what scared me most about the Martin/Bastiannini clash was how close Martin was to getting his leg broken

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For context, this is what happened to Lori Baz in a similar incident (photo and video below)

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I agree, it was a divebomb.



This is something I've been saying about Bagnaia for a long time. He had 3rd place in the bag and agin he binned it. He has had a habit of this for his previous 2 championship seasons. Compare that with Marc, who absolutely maximised his 2 Misano outings, especially yesterday where he stayed on the bike and got a podium. If Marc is the force we expect him to be next yr, Bagnaia cannot keep doing this.

Go look at Motorsport.com, they already are harping back to Assen 2015.

Don't worry, both Martin and Bagnaia will bin from podium positions again this season.

Michelin are Francais...
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I cringe when I see the leg dangle in this situation. I can't really blame the rider overtaking if hitting it was to happen.

As for the pass, I am on the fence about it. It was a hard pass but not even close to the worst last lap pass we have seen. Rossi has a list of hard passes longer than Jonny Holmes dick. Had Martin also not out braked himself he could have undercut......maybe. I don't know. I am glad it wasn't a penalty. Beast was faster he had been trying to find a way around for a while. He isn't known at all for doing things like this and it really didn't cost Martin anything. The fastest rider won. I could argue that if Martin was ready to fight with Beast after the pass attempt he could have easily ended up getting the same amount of points that Captain Morgan did.
 
I know Michelin is French, but Pirellis aren't ;)

and he might have had them on his rental..

Oxley's article on both Bagnaia's crashes and Bastianini's pass is a breath of fresh air.

In short, as I read it, Bagnaia is crashing because he rides fast.
Bumping is part of racing.
 
Sennas_Caress said:
My takeaways from the last round:

- The tires are as much of a potential hindrance to the series as aero, if Bagnaia's comments are not deflection. I tend to believe him, as the crash wasn't your typical one and his pace was very low, for the first time in two weekends, before he managed to push.
- At last we had a proper last lap battle!
- If you swap the red bike to a Repsol HRC and put a well known multiple world champion in the same role as the winner, it would only have been a rerun of multiple overtakes by said rider.
- The odds for Canet finishing 2nd must be lower than Honda finishing last in the constructors standings in MotoGP
- Alonso will be the next world champion while the fight for the second spot is as fierce as ever
- Next one to feel the pressure in that class is Angel Piqueras. Sink or swim?

On to Asia!
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You could swap the red bike for a Yamaha and put a well known multiple world champion in the role of the winner and it would only be a re-run of multiple overtakes by said rider.

Imo MM is correct about the staying on the track part, which he didn’t do at Jerez 2012, or probably at Assen 2025 without using an opposing rider as a berm. I see your Jerez 2012 and Assen 2015 and raise you Jerez 2005 which Jerez 2012 re-created, and Laguna Seca 2008 which was more a lose saved by going off track, but was far more potentially dangerous. I am sure there are others by both riders concerned, if MM has pondered on this and come to a different conclusion since 2015 then so be it however. Obviously he should hold himself to the same standard going forward. He won’t complain if it is done to him because he doesn’t.

That said I agree Bastianini was faster at the end of the race, and settling for second and a 20 point gain on Bagnaia rather than risking injury or scoring no points contesting for first would have been the sounder action strategically imo.
 

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