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p4p1 said:
Jarvis has shown where his alliegence lies plenty of times so despite Viñales. Ring the obvious choice I’m not convinced that he will get what he wants/needs.

In the Valencia race I couldn’t help but notice how doffeeent his reactions were when Rossi and Viñales crashed out.
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Jarvis is a failure, he's a typical gutless englishman (small e) Yamaha management should sack him and the sooner the better.
 
Rossi: "In the next test, Lorenzo will be in front with the Honda" https://es.motorsport.com/motogp/news/rossi-proximo-test-lorenzo-estara-delante-honda/4307608/


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Watched the brief videos of testing and all bikes except the KTM still sport aero effects. Maybe I've just got attention deficit - but seems like this is the 2nd or 3rd time I recall hearing wings were being banned in the following season and then... wings as usual.
 
I feel everyone is writing Jorge off very early. Marc is a freak, but Jorge is very special. All it takes is a minor injury and the (perhaps 30 or 40 point) gap you'd expect between the two at season's end could be narrowed substantially.
 
RCV600RR said:
I feel everyone is writing Jorge off very early. Marc is a freak, but Jorge is very special. All it takes is a minor injury and the (perhaps 30 or 40 point) gap you'd expect between the two at season's end could be narrowed substantially.
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He's still riding injured and his purpose is to learn a whole new animal. Who would expect him to come out of the gate competitive with Marquez? I (and others) have said he would struggle the first half of the season. Honestly - I was surprised that he came to terms with the Ducati as well as he did, it requiring a diametrically opposed riding style.
 
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RCV600RR said:
I feel everyone is writing Jorge off very early. Marc is a freak, but Jorge is very special. All it takes is a minor injury and the (perhaps 30 or 40 point) gap you'd expect between the two at season's end could be narrowed substantially.
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I agree with this as well. Jorge already won a title against MM, and was a Jerez last corner imo illegal pass away from winning another, to say nothing of a fractured clavicle the same year. I don’t think MM will crash his way out of a title as he did in 2015 again though, but If MM has a couple of mechanical dnfs or an injury concern and Jorge gets on a roll he can be fairly relentless. His form in wet/damp conditions in recent years is a handicap however, particularly since MM tends to excel in those conditions.

Jorge is not getting any younger though, so it will need a younger rider if MM is to be thwarted in the longer term.
 
michaelm said:
I agree with this as well. Jorge already won a title against MM, and was a Jerez last corner imo illegal pass away from winning another, to say nothing of a fractured clavicle the same year. I don’t think MM will crash his way out of a title as he did in 2015 again though, but If MM has a couple of mechanical dnfs or an injury concern and Jorge gets on a roll he can be fairly relentless. His form in wet/damp conditions in recent years is a handicap however, particularly since MM tends to excel in those conditions.

Jorge is not getting any younger though, so it will need a younger rider if MM is to be thwarted in the longer term.
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Yes, my thinking mirrors yours. When he's in that zone and the confidence starts building, his momentum keeps growing and he extremely hard to beat (just ask VR in 2015!).

I'll be putting a cheeky bet on JL next year...
 
michaelm said:
I agree with this as well. Jorge already won a title against MM, and was a Jerez last corner imo illegal pass away from winning another, to say nothing of a fractured clavicle the same year. I don’t think MM will crash his way out of a title as he did in 2015 again though, but If MM has a couple of mechanical dnfs or an injury concern and Jorge gets on a roll he can be fairly relentless. His form in wet/damp conditions in recent years is a handicap however, particularly since MM tends to excel in those conditions.

Jorge is not getting any younger though, so it will need a younger rider if MM is to be thwarted in the longer term.
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To be fair though Mike, the Jerez thing wouldn’t matter if Bridgestone hadn’t ...... up in PI that year, leading to last minute rule changes.
 
The wet/mixed conditions issue are what IMO make a championship challenge for Lorenzo and Vinales so hard against Márquez who has been so consisntamt in all conditions. It’s hard to beat him when you hemrage points against him in difficult conditions.
 
p4p1 said:
To be fair though Mike, the Jerez thing wouldn’t matter if Bridgestone hadn’t ...... up in PI that year, leading to last minute rule changes.
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Sure, I agree, I was more in Jumkie’s Murder Marc camp at the time, but it would have been an absolute travesty for him to have lost the title due to the monumental SNAFU that was PI 2013, black flagged on the basis of a rule literally made up 5 minutes before the race and not necessarily explained to his Spanish crew who were not overly competent ab initio anyway imo and who seem to have been responsible for the error (which involved staying out a single extra lap) in Spanish.

Jorge still ran him very close despite all the points lost to the clavicle injury though.
 
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michaelm said:
Sure, I agree, I was more in Jumkie’s Murder Marc camp at the time, but it would have been an absolute travesty for him to have lost the title due to the monumental SNAFU that was PI 2013, black flagged on the basis of a rule literally made up 5 minutes before the race and not necessarily explained to his Spanish crew who were not overly competent ab initio anyway imo and who seem to have been responsible for the error (which involved staying out a single extra lap) in Spanish.

Jorge still ran him very close despite all the points lost to the clavicle injury though.
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It was incredible to watch Jorge claw back points round after round rising to perfection or at least very close to it.

It would’ve been interesting to see a battle at Valencia between the two that year though.

Whether or not Marc or his team were responsible I don’t know but in the heat of battle it is forgivable to forget to pit when in you’re entire racing career you’ve never had to.
 
And to this day , technically Marc’s team was spot on with the call at PI but RD didn’t like being shown up and penalized him anyway. Marc did not complete more laps than allowed as his pit was before the timing marker .
 

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