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What Oxley flat out ignores is Lorenzo did not come to that press conference looking to discuss that pass. He was asked a question that was meant to cause problems because the journalist knew Jorge would answer honestly. Never once did Jorge accuse Rossi of being dirty, he simply stated that the pass didnt need to be made at the time and fashion it was made. Typical journalist took it from there. If i were Jorge, from now on, when asked these baiting questions, just say next question and ignore that writer for a while. They make it sound like Lorenzo was pulling a Rossi, coming to the press conference with data sheets in hand too prove a point and that simply is not how it went down.Thats why i wouldnt piss in the ear of most journalist if their ....... brain was on fire.
 
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Very true Povol, he stated his opinion when asked it. That was all he didn't call names, he didn't make any passive aggressive statements or backhanded compliments. He even said to the Journolist you must be asking this because you think it might've been a bit aggressive.
 
So Earth has a natural cycle...mankind and it's industry, pollution, emissions, on a global scale has not effected this NATURAL cycle. Got it.

If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.

Actually yes it does.
The earth is on an axis that moves between 22 degrees and 24,5 degrees, we are as of now nearly at 24.5 degrees which if you follow natural cycles means the UK should be at its most variable and unpredictable patterns, Not 100% cos i forget things sometimes;) but I believe the cycle takes around 60 years each way, so in roughly 60 years the UKs weather will be more predictable with cold winters with plenty of snow and hot summers.
This is because the earth is on a furthest tilt the UK's closer to the equator and the gulf stream flows more above the UK than over and below it and blocks cold air moving down from the north, hence the unpredictable weather.
I remember when I was a boy we used to get days of snow sometimes three feet deep 900mm for metric, I know this is by no means masses of snow as some places get way way more, but I haven't seen snow like that since the late seventies and it has been gradually less to the present day.
The axis and amount of tilt i learnt watching a prof Brian Cox documentary.

As for us adding to the global warming effect I will reserve my judgement as I am a little sceptical about it.
 
Actually yes it does.
The earth is on an axis that moves between 22 degrees and 24,5 degrees, we are as of now nearly at 24.5 degrees which if you follow natural cycles means the UK should be at its most variable and unpredictable patterns, Not 100% cos i forget things sometimes;) but I believe the cycle takes around 60 years each way, so in roughly 60 years the UKs weather will be more predictable with cold winters with plenty of snow and hot summers.
This is because the earth is on a furthest tilt the UK's closer to the equator and the gulf stream flows more above the UK than over and below it and blocks cold air moving down from the north, hence the unpredictable weather.
I remember when I was a boy we used to get days of snow sometimes three feet deep 900mm for metric, I know this is by no means masses of snow as some places get way way more, but I haven't seen snow like that since the late seventies and it has been gradually less to the present day.
The axis and amount of tilt i learnt watching a prof Brian Cox documentary.

As for us adding to the global warming effect I will reserve my judgement as I am a little sceptical about it.

I remember guaranteed hot summers, these days summer has moved to September. The sun also has hot and cool periods, recent years have seen record temperatures , that's not affected by anything mankind does but it a a huge effect on global increases in temperature, very convenient for governments to increase 'green' taxes.
 
What Oxley flat out ignores is Lorenzo did not come to that press conference looking to discuss that pass.

Oxley didn't ignore it Pov, he twisted it, this was Oxley's version of what occurred:

"In fact, this time we should lay some of the blame on Lorenzo, for it was him who decided to open the debate about Rossi’s Misano passing manoeuvre."


Rich, considering his piece that really is a one-sided attack on Lorenzo starts off by saying how dishonorable "journalist" write pieces for click bait. Oxley tries to set himself apart. Which I would agree, he is worse! Rehashing it the day before the event to get all of Rossi's minion's riled up again, a nice little reminder that Lorenzo is the enemy, Rossi the hero, like a pep rally, cheer cheer!

He was asked a question that was meant to cause problems because the journalist knew Jorge would answer honestly.

Oxley contends that the opinion was honestly devoid of reason and accuracy. Take a look at a few of the comments he responds to in the article. He compares Lorenzo's description of this pass as if he said the world was flat. In other word's Lorenzo is not only factually wrong but Jorge's description of this pass was absurd. As you had said, Rossi's entry was an unconventional, his exit wide, these are facts, putting his trajectory on a collision course if Lorenzo doesn't check up. The question is not if this is acceptable in GP, it is, the debate is if this maneuver can be describe as aggressive, the answer is yes, making Lorenz's description not absurd nor factually incorrect! In FACT Marquez, the man Oxley tries to enlist as cozy support for Rossi actually describe Rossi's pass as "aggressive". (See the link posted by a member here of that other Oxleyesk hack). That is (for the benefit of Vudu) a word quote!

This is how Oxley describes this pass:

"I wonder if he’s revised his opinion, now that he’s watched the race, because no one else seems to think Rossi was being dodgy when he swept past his team-mate."

The herd are all in agreement! Nobody thinks otherwise. So there you go. "Dodgy" as in nobody can question Rossi's HONESTY. Rossi the guy who is renown for "mind games", needling riders for reactions, now a mother Teresa.

Hell yeah Rossi is dodgy, and he does it to great affect, thanks in great part to a media corps exactly like Mat Oxley. In the words of Marc Marquez, It is another thing to use the media as a "weapon".

"Swept past". No mention of the acute angle to get Rossi a bike length ahead.

Oxley says: "he was a full bike length ahead when Lorenzo tried to slam the door shut."

EVERY single pass in motorcycle racing across all levels in the universe could be conducted exactly like this: by taking an exaggerated acute angle and barging into the space where the apex is supposed to be. How quickly would Race Direction put a stop to it? If Lorenzo were to execute a pass like this ALL the time against Rossi, how often would "journalist" like Oxley call them acceptable? Would Oxley say there is an element of needle to such a pass? A retaliation perhaps? These types of passes are unconventional. It is exactly why Rossi described a similar pass sequence by Pedrosa as 'like Marquez' (Marquezesk). Mr. Oxley, why would Rossi conjure up Marquez's name here? And if there was any doubt, Rossi clarified, Pedrosa came in too late and out of shape. Is that description by Rossi regarding Pedro's pass absurd and devoid of reason? Was Rossi perhaps describing Pedro's pass, conjuring up Marquez as the world being flat? No, it was accurate and reasonable. Lorenzo, basically saying the same thing was absurd and inaccurate, Jorge was "bizarre"!

Oxley: Since Misano, Marc Marquez has taken Rossi’s side, giving his blessing for the veteran’s manoeuvre, and perhaps changing the paddock dynamic once more. It’s only natural that Marquez and Rossi should be friendly again because if the paddock is a schoolyard rather than a soap opera, Rossi and Marquez are the school’s bad boys ganging up on that kid no one’s quite sure about.

Mat Oxley is doing his part on the gang up. Lorenzo is the weird one, the odd ball, even the 'cheater' and the guy 'robbed' are becoming buddies, look at Lorenzo everybody, he is the bad guy in this story.

According to Oxley, Lorenzo tries to "slam the door shut". Does Oxley expect us to believe he doesn't understand the fastest line through a turn and the consequences of another rider already committed to that line? If I run the stop whilst another driver is going through that intersection, is that other driver trying to "slam the door" on me? Hahaha, Jesus. It's a collision course initiated by the guy (Rossi) altering the entry, causing the other rider (Lorenzo) committed to take evasive action. Not all passes are done in this fashion. There are various degrees of magnitude to such a pass. On a spectrum of mild to aggressive, I wonder where on that spectrum Oxley places it. Again, the question is not whether it was acceptable, but was Lorenzo's description of it reasonable? Yes.



Never once did Jorge accuse Rossi of being dirty, he simply stated that the pass didnt need to be made at the time and fashion it was made. Typical journalist took it from there.

In that "fashion", that was Jorge's point! Oxley twists this to mean Jorge doesn't want passing to occur!

Oxley says: "Even more bizarre was Lorenzo’s assertion that Rossi “didn’t need to make this overtake”. Isn’t the general idea of this sport to pass the man or woman in front?"

(Notice Oxley's repeat of the word "bizarre" reenforcing by repetition to the naive readers that Lorenzo is a bizarre man, one out of his mind, weird, unreasonable, the odd ball. Nice little tactic for Yellow journalism.)

Looks like Lorenzo doesn't realize that this isn't a parade of bikes that are supposed to start and finish in their qualifying order. Absurd to the nth degree. I said Kropo should be "ashamed" to feature this guy on his site, allow me to correct myself, Kropo should be 'embarrassed'.

Oxley twists Lorenzo's message for the benefit of placing blame on Lorenzo and advancing the narrative that Rossi is the hero in this saga.

If i were Jorge, from now on, when asked these baiting questions, just say next question and ignore that writer for a while. They make it sound like Lorenzo was pulling a Rossi, coming to the press conference with data sheets in hand too prove a point and that simply is not how it went down.Thats why i wouldnt piss in the ear of most journalist if their ....... brain was on fire.

"Poor Jorge, he always ends up on the wrong end of these confrontations."

This is one thing I agree with Oxley, Lorenzo will always be on the losing end of these exchanges, thanks to "journalist" hacks exactly like Mat Oxley!


Oxley brings up the exchange Lorenzo had with Marco Simonchelli as an example of how poorly is Lorenzo's WIT. Yet completely missed the message of that exchange! It wasn't a contest of who is more funny Mr. Oxley, it was a very serious caution to riding with disregard to safety. The message was for all riders to be more cognizant of their actions on the track. A point that ultimately proved Lorenzo painfully RIGHT!

Oxley says: "Lorenzo should know by now that he’s not witty enough to win these encounters..." Well, I do remember one time Lorenzo said something funny in retort to Rossi's whining about racing with a bunch of "kids/".......". Perhaps in a rare moment of Lorenzo being witty (a measure of a man's accuracy and likeability according to Oxley) I'm recalling when Lorenzo responded to it rather hysterically.

“I don't know. I guess it must be a little shame to be beaten by 'kids'. Every race...”
Read more at http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/16...o-rossi-.......-jibe.html#pAyIzPPzUf7HXUDL.99
 
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This was Oxley's retort to support his opinion that Lorenzo's description of this incident was absurd:

Mat Oxley Mod to Neil Kiser • a day ago
"If I told you that my opinion is that the earth is flat, you would rightly condemn me as a damn fool."

Gaz to Mat Oxley • 14 hours ago
Nope.

As I would show you the evidence to the contrary to debate your view and if that could not convince you, then all well and good as sooner or later you will experience proof that the world is not flat.

The world not being flat is a proven and scientifically provable fact.

Whether a pass was to aggressive is an opinion as one person's hard pass is another's sofc*ck pass.

But if I said to you that 20 degrees in Australia is to cold, am I correct or am I the fool?
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I don't know if this is our 'Gaz', but his comment and follow up left Oxley looking like...well, a fool.
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Mat Oxley Mod Gaz • 4 hours ago
Dictionary definition of 'opinion': a belief or judgement that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.

Gaz Thatmanstu • 13 hours ago
Actually I would happily argue that there is no evident fact that contradicts Lorenzo's opinion, but rather evident opinion that contradicts Lorenzo.

The only fact that is determinable regarding the situation that led to the discussion is that Valentino Rossi overtook Jorge Lorenzo during a right hand turn at Misano. Whether that pass was required, fair, hard, brutal, dirty etc is opinion as there are no written definitions within rules that determine a fair pass etc (as all is subjective within the written rule)

Gaz to Mat Oxley • 14 hours ago
How is an opinion incorrect?

Did Lorenzo not say that it was his opinion and is he not entitled to it?

Rossi has made similar comments over the years (Elias 2006, Marquez 2015 and in this very press conference) and yet he is not as questioned of those comments by the media or public.

Let us not forget that Rossi complained of Assen 2015 (and a few other situations) last year with Marquez and then compared Dani's pass as 'Marquez like' which by inference could be seen as accusing Dani of a hard pass. But as is typical with Rossi when he speaks, the subtlety is either missed or because he has a smile, he is considered to be joking (personally I suspect that it is and was a barbed comment)

Yes certainly the door was left open and yes, it was a racing move but that does not detract from Lorenzo's comments as he prefaced all by indicating it was his opinion and he did state (did he not) that Rossi was entitled to his opinion?

Mat Oxley: FAIL
 
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I remember guaranteed hot summers,

No you don't - not at all. Only if you chose to holiday all summer on the Costa Del Sol or you neglected to mention that you lived in Southern California. The memory is fallacious and selective.

The sun also has hot and cool periods,/QUOTE]

Indeed, some believe that the solar cycle is in decline and that decreased sunspot activity may even result in a cooling of global temperature.

recent years have seen record temperatures , that's not affected by anything mankind does but it a a huge effect on global increases in temperature,

I can absolutely assure you that it is and the causal data is demonstrable and ineluctable. However, many climate scientists are in disagreement about the precise level of man made influence. In spite of this, global warming is very real and if you believe that this is is a creation of governments worldwide to increase your taxes then it must also follow that an entire branch of science has either been fooled, co-opted or intimidated for thirty years.

Climate change is extremely complex. Most confuse climatic regimes with the weather. The UK for example is influenced by six different air masses the interaction or migration of each governed by a series of complex mechanisms such as sudden stratospheric warming or the quasi-biennial oscillation - although in simple terms, the vagaries in our weather are affected by a meandering jet stream. Recent high temperatures and episodes of extreme weather have been attributed to the teleconnection associated with particularly strong El-Nino and the subsequent La Niña flip. Any hopes that a cooling of the Pacific could temporarily ameliorate global warming are misplaced. Next year will very likely break the run of record warm years across the world, but the tempering effect of La Niña is negligible compared to the unprecedented runaway levels of total warming due to climate change. As 'Red pointed out, you then have to consider variations in the earth's orbit - obliquity/eccentricity, axial tilt and precession - Milankovitch cycles, which can result in changes in global climate either over a generation or stadials and interstadials over a geological epoch. But as the data illustrates, the rapidity of exponential global warming correlates with the actions of man, and any suggestion to the contrary is not only ill informed but frankly dangerous and irresponsible subjective nonsense.

This has been debated to death in previous threads and this is a race thread. I suggest that by way of response, you find one of those or start your own. If you want to contest this, please feel free, but whilst you are entitled to express your skewed politicised opinions and bias I will merely respond with empirical data and objective correlation. The scientific case for anthropogenic climate change is extraordinarily strong. A person who says otherwise is basically proving their ignorance of the scientific method of enquiry or betraying their preference for the anecdotal over the empirical. How strong is the case? Feynman observed that science is every bit as certain of it as of Newton's Second Law of Motion - in fact, there is more doubt about the latter than the former. That is strong enough to be considered certainty for all practical purposes...even to the layman.
 
Thanks for the publicity Jums :p


But I should point out, that some of the replies by this 'Gaz' fellow are in response to some of the sheeple comments that are pushing the (yellow) party line and not all in direct response to roxley
 
Thanks for the publicity Jums :p


But I should point out, that some of the replies by this 'Gaz' fellow are in response to some of the sheeple comments that are pushing the (yellow) party line and not all in direct response to roxley

Very similar prose style and arguments (correct imo) to a Gaz with whom I am familiar.

In regard to Matt Oxley's reply to JPS's alter ego on that forum, the really amusing thing is that Oxley considers his apologia for Rossi last year gives him credibility as a balanced observer where Rossi is concerned because it contained what was obviously by his standards criticism of Rossi in allocating both him and MM blame for Sepang 2015.

Oxley did admittedly mention the one line nature of the Valencia circuit and lack of passing for the lead in dry races at the circuit for the last decade, but didn't iirc call out Rossi on the PI conspiracy theory as David Emmett for one actually did, which is the crux of the current issue; to call out Jorge for this solicited and fairly mild answer which he directly states is his opinion in the face of Rossi propounding that paranoid conspiracy theory concerning PI in the absence of evidence, and his continuing contention the 2015 title was more or less stolen from him, is what demonstrates a complete lack of proportion. It is particularly hilarious that one of Oxley's criticisms of Lorenzo is that he took credit away from DP's race win.
 
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No you don't - not at all. Only if you chose to holiday all summer on the Costa Del Sol or you neglected to mention that you lived in Southern California. The memory is fallacious and selective.

The sun also has hot and cool periods,/QUOTE]

Indeed, some believe that the solar cycle is in decline and that decreased sunspot activity may even result in a cooling of global temperature.



I can absolutely assure you that it is and the causal data is demonstrable and ineluctable. However, many climate scientists are in disagreement about the precise level of man made influence. In spite of this, global warming is very real and if you believe that this is is a creation of governments worldwide to increase your taxes then it must also follow that an entire branch of science has either been fooled, co-opted or intimidated for thirty years.

Climate change is extremely complex. Most confuse climatic regimes with the weather. The UK for example is influenced by six different air masses the interaction or migration of each governed by a series of complex mechanisms such as sudden stratospheric warming or the quasi-biennial oscillation - although in simple terms, the vagaries in our weather are affected by a meandering jet stream. Recent high temperatures and episodes of extreme weather have been attributed to the teleconnection associated with particularly strong El-Nino and the subsequent La Niña flip. Any hopes that a cooling of the Pacific could temporarily ameliorate global warming are misplaced. Next year will very likely break the run of record warm years across the world, but the tempering effect of La Niña is negligible compared to the unprecedented runaway levels of total warming due to climate change. As 'Red pointed out, you then have to consider variations in the earth's orbit - obliquity/eccentricity, axial tilt and precession - Milankovitch cycles, which can result in changes in global climate either over a generation or stadials and interstadials over a geological epoch. But as the data illustrates, the rapidity of exponential global warming correlates with the actions of man, and any suggestion to the contrary is not only ill informed but frankly dangerous and irresponsible subjective nonsense.

This has been debated to death in previous threads and this is a race thread. I suggest that by way of response, you find one of those or start your own. If you want to contest this, please feel free, but whilst you are entitled to express your skewed politicised opinions and bias I will merely respond with empirical data and objective correlation. The scientific case for anthropogenic climate change is extraordinarily strong. A person who says otherwise is basically proving their ignorance of the scientific method of enquiry or betraying their preference for the anecdotal over the empirical. How strong is the case? Feynman observed that science is every bit as certain of it as of Newton's Second Law of Motion - in fact, there is more doubt about the latter than the former. That is strong enough to be considered certainty for all practical purposes...even to the layman.
I certainly can't make any comment on the climate change models personally; perhaps I could have understood them if I had done a couple of years study when I was 20, but not now. I am fairly sure most of the opponents of climate change science, who in Australia are commonly "journalists" in the Murdoch press, don't either however.

It is amusing to see Daniboy (I do take his point that there are obviously other influences cf several hundred feet of sea level rise before the year 1800 since the peak of the last ice age), so vehement in his opposition to tyre conspiracies, buy the line that the climate scientists of the world are engaged in a massive conspiracy to pretend there is climate change for their own benefit. Not only is no-one squealing, which would require a system of omerta which greatly exceeds the mafia, but the ones on the big salaries in the debate are largely on the other side, being mining/petrochemical engineers, in some cases in Australia actually on the boards of such companies, who might be suspected of having some bias themselves. That said, the climate science could still be wrong, as science has been in the past, including in several areas of medicine in my lifetime, but if so it will be wrong for scientific rather than political reasons.

At the very least from my point of view putting all the carbon/CO2 which has been sequestered for 70 million years or more back into the environment in 200 years is a very major scientific experiment with unknown consequences even if the current models are wrong, and while biological systems in general can adapt, may not over such a comparatively short time period. We are also going to run out of fossil fuel eventually regardless, so looking for alternatives is imo a good thing in itself, particularly since no one can deny pollution eg the air quality in Beijing.
 
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Actually yes it does.
The earth is on an axis that moves between 22 degrees and 24,5 degrees, we are as of now nearly at 24.5 degrees which if you follow natural cycles means the UK should be at its most variable and unpredictable patterns, Not 100% cos i forget things sometimes;) but I believe the cycle takes around 60 years each way, so in roughly 60 years the UKs weather will be more predictable with cold winters with plenty of snow and hot summers.
This is because the earth is on a furthest tilt the UK's closer to the equator and the gulf stream flows more above the UK than over and below it and blocks cold air moving down from the north, hence the unpredictable weather.
I remember when I was a boy we used to get days of snow sometimes three feet deep 900mm for metric, I know this is by no means masses of snow as some places get way way more, but I haven't seen snow like that since the late seventies and it has been gradually less to the present day.
The axis and amount of tilt i learnt watching a prof Brian Cox documentary.

As for us adding to the global warming effect I will reserve my judgement as I am a little sceptical about it.

Naah, Lil Red.
The Earth's axis moves in cycles of circa 40000 years, a cycle of 60 years is like saying a mile is 2 and a bit metres long.
Oh and in any case, the tilt is currently moving away from the sun.

(....... Milankovich cycles did my head in at skool)
 
Oxley brings up the exchange Lorenzo had with Marco Simonchelli as an example of how poorly is Lorenzo's WIT. Yet completely missed the message of that exchange! It wasn't a contest of who is more funny Mr. Oxley, it was a very serious caution to riding with disregard to safety. The message was for all riders to be more cognizant of their actions on the track. A point that ultimately proved Lorenzo painfully RIGHT!

Oxley says: "Lorenzo should know by now that he’s not witty enough to win these encounters..."

Exactly. Lorenzo is paid to be a MotoGP racer. NOT a comedian. I for one actually consider him to have a commendable amount of wit, especially considering English isn't his first language.

I've said it in other posts on the subject before, but EVERYONE mocked Lorenzo for his press conference spat with Simoncelli, laughing at the latter's 'Arrested' comment and generally making Lorenzo out to be the villain. Well as you said Jums, sure as ...., not one of those people were laughing when Simoncelli was laying dead out on the Sepang circuit with his helmet ripped off. Only then did they realise "...., Jorge Lorenzo was right and now a rider is dead"


Matt Oxley seems to be a classic example of "Those who do, can, and those who can't talk about it. I just wish he'd admit he has a Rossi bias instead of claiming to be completely impartial.
 
He really isn't the least bit impartial his venom for Lorenzo is obvious and his love for Rossi is very clear. Much like the victim blaming after Sepang.
 
And what do you suppose that "nature" was intended to conjure? Come on Twerk. That's mean to conjure an aggressive I'll natured move.

Wait! You don't think Rossi had an issue with Marquez's overall riding at PI?!?!?!

With all do respect, are you high or drunk, or is this a typo?

Rossi took so much issue with Marc's riding that his paranoid assessment of it irreparably changed the sport forever!


If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.

Aggressive? For sure. Ill natured? Not really, at least not overall. Where is the proof for this?

Rossi surely had an issue with Marquez in PI, but it wasn't overt aggressiveness that was the main issue, as you should know.
 
Aggressive? For sure. Ill natured? Not really, at least not overall. Where is the proof for this?

Rossi surely had an issue with Marquez in PI, but it wasn't overt aggressiveness that was the main issue, as you should know.

None of us have any problem with the pass at Misano. Lorenzo was asked for his opinion and gave it, saying it was his opinion all the while. Disagree with him as you will, he is not arguing his opinion is fact, nor that he was cheated out of a race or a championship.

What was Rossi's issue with Marquez at PI 2015 pray tell, and exactly how was it in any way reasonable?
 
Same problem as posters such as Geniusattwerk on here.

Taking exception to virtually anything another rider says at a press conference, just like accusing other people of being conspiracy theorists, is logically indefensible to say nothing of hypocritical if you have given Rossi a pass on his epic petulant whingefest and conspiracy theories in regard to the end of season 2015.

"Taking exception to virtually anything another rider says"

Peak of irony.

What problem? I take exception to things I disagree with and think are clearly wrong. You don't want me stating my opinion on Lorenzo calling Rossi "dirtier" than others on the grid? I believe what I believe about the end of 2015 based on the context, narrative, quotes from riders on both sides of the issue and the RD, as well as my personal eye test (something you can't relate to of course), just as I believe what I believe about other things using those and additional tools at my possession.

Do you use "epic petulant whingefest" to describe every event, or just Rossi at the end of 2015?
 
None of us have any problem with the pass at Misano. Lorenzo was asked for his opinion and gave it, saying it was his opinion all the while. Disagree with him as you will, he is not arguing his opinion is fact, nor that he was cheated out of a race or a championship.

What was Rossi's issue with Marquez at PI 2015 pray tell, and exactly how was it in any way reasonable?

We were not discussing whether Rossis pass of Lorenzo was dirty or what Lorenzo thought of it. Keep up.

Do I have to do everything for you?

“If we see another race like this, we have to speak with Marquez, because afterwards I see very clearly that he played with us,” said Rossi.

“I think his target is not just to win the race, but also help Lorenzo to go far and try to take more points from me."

Marquez making individual dirty passing or other moves is not the first issue Rossi had IMO reading this quote.
 
We were not discussing whether Rossis pass of Lorenzo was dirty or what Lorenzo thought of it. Keep up.

Do I have to do everything for you?

“If we see another race like this, we have to speak with Marquez, because afterwards I see very clearly that he played with us,” said Rossi.

“I think his target is not just to win the race, but also help Lorenzo to go far and try to take more points from me."

Marquez making individual dirty passing or other moves is not the first issue Rossi had IMO reading this quote.

Again he won the ....... race, the totality of what is required of him as a GP bike rider as long as he rides legally. He is very definitely not required to adopt tactics which suit Valentino Rossi while doing so.

If he did ride with a view to thwarting Rossi, which I personally don't "believe" he did, as Birdman says so what?
 
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