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So I wrote earlier in the topic that I thought Martin's title chances were up in smoke and he pulled ahead significantly in the title race.

We have Indonesia next weekend, so I have no idea at this point what is going to happen there at all. You can't predict this .... I swear.

It's starting to look like a real possibility that the #1 plate could be on an Aprilia next season.

If that does in fact happen, could one make a case for Ducati silently backing Marc next season if they think Pecco is entirely at fault for all of this?
 
With Pecco crashing, Marc is 36 points behind him. I don't believe Martin to make it a champion because he crashes randomly and coming up mixed conditions, he will ride tight to not drop it in gravel. I still believe in Marc to win title this year as more crashes are coming. Yes I am delusional but idc really.
 
mmnumaone said:
With Pecco crashing, Marc is 36 points behind him. I don't believe Martin to make it a champion because he crashes randomly and coming up mixed conditions, he will ride tight to not drop it in gravel. I still believe in Marc to win title this year as more crashes are coming. Yes I am delusional but idc really.
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I can appreciate this bold prediction even though I cannot see such a thing happening.
 
JPSLotus said:
I can appreciate this bold prediction even though I cannot see such a thing happening.
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While I think the championship for Marc is way too unrealistic, I can see both Marc and Enea finishing very close to Jorge and Pecco in the standings, if only because they simply don't bin it on Sundays. Enea has a perfect record, Marc binned it once (brake failure according to Carchedi) and his other crash was caused by an overambitious Pecco. As for Pecco and Jorge, we have to accept that random DNFs of their own making form part of their DNA at this point, it's no coincidence that they keep repeating such incidents season after season, and this year they're both riding with a ton of pressure on their shoulders. Mistakes will keep on piling.
 
synn said:
www.crash.net

Michelin “waiting to analyse the data” after “strange” Bagnaia race

“It's not very usual to see a good performance at the beginning, and then a 'hole' [in performance], and then good performance again."
www.crash.net www.crash.net

Another day, another MicheDud
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I was thinking the same thing about the front being a dud. The front just collapsed when I was looking at the replay. He was not leaned over particularly much either.

My prediction is Michelin will say the data didn't show anything different in the tire performance/construction and that is it. They will NEVER admit to a dud tire.
 
MichaelBolton said:
While I think the championship for Marc is way too unrealistic, I can see both Marc and Enea finishing very close to Jorge and Pecco in the standings, if only because they simply don't bin it on Sundays. Enea has a perfect record, Marc binned it once (brake failure according to Carchedi) and his other crash was caused by an overambitious Pecco. As for Pecco and Jorge, we have to accept that random DNFs of their own making form part of their DNA at this point, it's no coincidence that they keep repeating such incidents season after season, and this year they're both riding with a ton of pressure on their shoulders. Mistakes will keep on piling.
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The season is about to get incredibly interesting now that we are headed into the fly-aways. Phillip Island this year I think may be where the championship is decided. Have a feeling this is going to be a particularly significant race for some reason. Might be nothing, but I am not sure.

I agree about the incidents being repeated while riding with a lot of pressure. Neither one inspires much confidence in me any longer since they seem to fold quicker than a Mishitelin front tire.
 
JPSLotus said:
I agree about the incidents being repeated while riding with a lot of pressure.
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I think it has a lot to do with all the title challengers being part of the same factory. I’m almost certain Ducati is finding it hard to compartmentalize it behind the scenes which is much easier when you’re fighting someone from another factory.

Talent concentration is great on paper, but this is why it doesn’t last too long.
 
As i keep saying prosecco and martini taking turn’s blundering, so next race martini is due to a visit in the graveltrap.

If marc would of won austin and sachsenring he would be leading the championship

So a ...... brake pump and stefan bradl might have cost him a title. Thats the quantum of luck that makes or brakes a title campaign
 
synn said:
www.crash.net

Michelin “waiting to analyse the data” after “strange” Bagnaia race

“It's not very usual to see a good performance at the beginning, and then a 'hole' [in performance], and then good performance again."
www.crash.net www.crash.net

Another day, another MicheDud
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While I'm not a fan of the micheduds, and I wish for a return of the Bridgestones, Pecco is getting used a bit too much to blame the tires or any other external thing every time he doesn't win a race. Marc who was behind him, thought he was riding over the limit prior the crash, that the times weren't sustainable. Pecco is a great rider but never admits his own fault when he errs. He could've brought a 3rd home but I think he really wanted to catch up to the top 2 and fight for a win at home.
 
JPSLotus said:
I find it regrettable Marc is stuck on a GP23 because he would be in the championship lead at this point IMO.
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My prediction that Marc would win the championship this season was based on the fact that we didn't realize how much better the gp24 is. Hell the gp22 was better than the 23. What he is doing proves he will be the man to beat next year. Add to that Martin won't be part of the equation next year.
 
MdubSTYLIE said:
My prediction that Marc would win the championship this season was based on the fact that we didn't realize how much better the gp24 is. Hell the gp22 was better than the 23. What he is doing proves he will be the man to beat next year. Add to that Martin won't be part of the equation next year.
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Pictured, Pecco thinking about 2025.

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When I stopped being an active Stoner tragic, I became a Quaratarro tragic, but now, not so much He made his bed and he's lying in it. What a waste.
Sure the M1 is getting better but by the time it catches up with Ducati - Fabs is likely to be too old to take advantage of it. Tho, if the bike gets there
he might still have a chance, as he's (and please god don't make this a jinx) managed to stay uninjured for a long time.

Neil Teabag Hodgson - should stick to playing in his ...... cover band.

Trading paint is one thing. But when you don't give a rider a choice between crashing or leaving the track - that's just .........

Not making any predictions, but I "like" Martin for the championship because he is quantifiably more consistent than last year.

Marc being 4th in the championship is really impressive, except when you consider that Binder is 5th and he hasn't won a single race.
Two sides to every story.
 
MichaelBolton said:
While I'm not a fan of the micheduds, and I wish for a return of the Bridgestones, Pecco is getting used a bit too much to blame the tires or any other external thing every time he doesn't win a race. Marc who was behind him, thought he was riding over the limit prior the crash, that the times weren't sustainable. Pecco is a great rider but never admits his own fault when he errs. He could've brought a 3rd home but I think he really wanted to catch up to the top 2 and fight for a win at home.
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My view as well. This applies to Martin also, I don’t think either of them has much in the way of racecraft, they both just ride flat out all the time then blame equipment when things come unstuvk. I am sure there are sometimes issues with the Michelin tyres and the aero bikes on occasion, but riding flat out constantly like MM did in his early career is fraught with peril, as MM himself discovered in 2015. If he did have a tyre issue early it left him with too much ground to make up to Riders in Martin and Bastianini who were fast themselves, you take what is available as MM did for his later titles.

If Bastianini can consistently show the pace he did this weekend he is a chance imo, as has been pointed out he hasn’t dnfed this season, and does know how to manage a race/conserve his tyres etc. he just hasn’t been as consistently fast as the 2 leaders at all tracks. MM on a GP23 basically needs 3 fast riders on faster bikes to come unstuck, so his hopes this year are forlorn unless there are a large number of wet races or other low grip race conditions.
 
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synn said:
I think it has a lot to do with all the title challengers being part of the same factory. I’m almost certain Ducati is finding it hard to compartmentalize it behind the scenes which is much easier when you’re fighting someone from another factory.

Talent concentration is great on paper, but this is why it doesn’t last too long.
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They seem to be sticking to their philosophy thus far, and it is going to result in a Ducati rider winning the title I guess whatever happens. If there was credible challenger on a different bike they would probably need to back one rider, and if Martin was the best bet would doubtless back him, probably more keenly than in the current situation. One thing all the rider moves have achieved is less talent concentration and probably only 2 Ducati contenders next year, although I am not sure this was necessarily by design.
 

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