2024 MotoGP Round 7: Gran Premio d'Italia Brembo - Mugello

MichaelBolton said:

On the discussion of the GP24 vs GP23, now overshadowed by silly season shenanigans, The Race offered this tidbit of info:

The good news for Ducati is, [Marc] has clearly been great. His average race position (lap by lap) across all the grands prix and the sprints this year has been 4.4, well clear of the other riders on '23 Ducatis. It's an average of 9.0 for Fabio Di Giannantonio, 10.5 for brother Alex Marquez and 10.9 for Marco Bezzecchi.

It's a huge gap, and let's not forget that DiGia, Alex and Marco were all race winners in the previous season. This year they can't even smell the podium, neither in the sprints nor in the full race. Marc is doing an extraordinary job and anyone who hasn't a hateboner for him should recognize that he's disadvantaged compared to the GP24s right now.

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dogfight said:

You always said that Gp24 is better, I said that from Montmelo is it better. So why I have to prove if both have the same idea?

I said before race 6 it is hard to say: it is an uncertainty, is there any burder to prove an uncertainty?

You said some area in GP24 is better, you need to prove them. 3 remaining things: aero, braking, and cornering. If you cannot, dont reply any more. This is the third /fourth post you replied but does not add any value.

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warthog1 said:

As mentioned earlier by Mdub, I am also a huge fan of MM. Best I have seen in the almost 40 years I've been watching. He came from seasons of injury on what became an absolute POS of a GP m/cycle.
He has had to learn a new machine and rebirth some of his self belief and love of m/cycle racing. He has done that pretty damn quick and is still learning aspects of how to ride it and how to set it up. Yes he will still get a bit better but unfortunately the GP24 will continue to develop and the machine gap will widen.
This season shows he is still very damn good though, others on GP23s who have more experience on a Duke than he, aint near his race pace.
If he gets current machinery next year it is going to be good!
However I believe it still will be close. He used to have a big margin on corner entry that has been reduced by aero and some extent ride height. We dont see him finding the front end limit with big front slides in practice anymore. Front tyre grip is now more of a precipice even for him. That aero and ride height plus to an extent soft tyre carcasses, has negated a big advantage he once had. Despite that he is still there with the best on an older machine so still has it. Great to watch

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michaelm said:

The thing is Pecco is actually very good, and has grown up with these aero bikes and has the riding style best adapted to them imo,

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warthog1 said:

Pecco is very good. Can he push the front as hard as MM though?
MM still has it on corner entry imo. Yes the margin is reduced with the aero but MM can still brake very, very late and make the apex as evidenced by his recent passes on Pecco and Bestia.
Pecco has chucked it away losing the front a few times too.
MM is not going to have the clear corner entrygap he once had, agreed, and he has said himself he needs to improve his corner exit on the Ducati

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Barbedwirebikerr said:

Can't say Pecco pushes the front harder than Marc, but he is a very hard breaker and is acknowledged by his contemporaries as a very hard man to pass. I've not known a rider who takes the front suspension to the stops under braking. Pecco does, and has stated he prefers the forks to be bottomed out so he is only on tyre movement, with suspension out of the equation. Obviously, only in the hardest brake so nes at each track.

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FastinFastout said:

Mmmm, I think this may be Pecco wanting to sound "special". I doubt he deliberately bottoms out the front other than very ocassionally. It's often not even possible unless the front is set up too soft, depending on the track, and it'd leave you with zero margin of error anyway. But it will be interesting to analyse his front end slides vs available grip (track type, early or late in race) to see any patterns that might be related to his style.

I think Marc has a genious level feel for the grip limit in all conditions, and can ride that little bit harder most of the time. There's a bigger time reward for this when the tyres are worn (more gradual but less obvious loss of grip) vs when they're new (more sudden but more obvious loss of grip).

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MotoGP king Bagnaia: ‘I brake with the forks bottomed out – I love to feel the front tyre’

Pecco Bagnaia – who goes to Valencia this week hoping to retain his MotoGP crown – may look smooth and controlled on his Ducati but he does some radical things to find his speed. He talks mad braking, what he expects from the 2024 Desmosedici and why today’s riders will have shorter careers

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michaelm said:

The thing is Pecco is actually very good, and has grown up with these aero bikes and has the riding style best adapted to them imo,

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AnnoyingTwit said:

I will make an early prediction of Marc beating Pecco next year. Pecco is very good, but he's not an alien.

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Faz said:

Tbh I don’t see Marc doing alien things anymore now that areo and ride height rule the roost? Phenomenal but not alien like he used to be on the Honda.

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