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MotoGP: 2016 Round 02 - Gran Premio Motul de la República Argentina (SPOILERS)

Ya I understand. I just have trouble with people saying it's purely the bike, anyway I guess we'll only know for sure once Jorge starts racing for Ducati...
Well, for an idea, Rossi was battling for top 10 at Ducati. But I know we've kinda rationalies a bunch of reasons why that was all about the bike and nothing to do with Rossi. Ya see, works both way. :)
 
Marquez looks very strong again, bad news for all the others.
But Michelin made a mess of the race. Give us Bridgestone back.
I think Rossi would have been second in the regular 25 laps race as well, without anybody having to crash for that.

Dovi-Iannone, really bad for Ducati, but that move wasn't such a crime, it was a daring but quasi-legitimate attempt at the last corner, and I think what tricked Joe's mind is that -- let's say it -- it could actually have been possible on a Bridgestones front. Probably old reflexes took over in the heat of the moment, but sadly he was on Michelins. On a track that makes the front work very hard...

Brings to mind similar episodes in the past -- Criville-Doohan, Pedrosa-Hayden. Truth is, your teammate is always your first rival -- they call them "teams" but that's a misleading term in motor racing, all that teamplay rhetoric is void. Ah, and before we had all those cameras at the tracks, it's well known what dirty tricks the riders played on each other.

Moreover Iannone knows that if Lorenzo accepts Ducati's offer (some rumors say he's signed already) then he's the one who goes out to Suzuki, because Lorenzo will also choose his teammate -- and he will choose Dovi of course. Speaking of Lorenzo, he showed a pattern of his again: he's almost unbeatable when everything works to perfection to suit his style, but when things go against his grain he's likely to lose concentration and "patience", as he put it. And suddenly looks mediocre.

The happy moment of the Rio Hondo GP was Moto3 -- That boy Pawi was amazing, displaying a true champion attitude on track as on the podium. Look forward to see more from him.
 
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You know who it didn't flatter? Ben Spies. He won a race on it but thats about it.
Ha! F-ing Spies, I still think he got a .... shake in GP bro. I feel he didn't realize his true potential, which I believe was considerable. Really underrated! He did very well for Tech3 and when he was promoted to the factory squad, from the get go it aways seemed tentative.

Ok ok, let me try and make a case for Spies since we watched him grow up in AMA. Just for the hell of it. Hear me out. (Believe me, it's a curse bro.) But...

1 win that is correct, the same win total that the great Rossi had when he returned from Ducati. So we could say, you know who the M1 didn't flatter on his retun, Valentino Rossi. Crazy right? The Greatest of all Time and Ben Spies got the same win total in a year's worth of Factory M1. This was Ben's first year ever on a factory Yamaha. Btw, should have been two wins but he got nipped at the line by Stoner on the RCV rocketship at Valencia. Ok, so like Steeeve said, "if" his aunt had a .... she'd be Kaytlin. As much as there is truth to that, there is also wisdom in digging a bit deeper for meaning. Otherwise, we could look at Hulk Hogan's world title and based on "results" conclude, well that mofo is the greatest wrestler of all time. Interesting enough, both Spies and Rossi notched their single win at Assen. However, let me add a bit of circumstance, Lorenzo had just won the previous two races and looked good to win his 3rd at Assen. But he broke his Pedrosa bone during practice. He still raced (after getting surgery between practices) but came in 5th. Rossi won. So even that 1 Rossi win was circumstantial, in weather, otherwise it likely should have been zero wins on a factory M1.

So Ben looked good going into that next season. Almost 2 wins, double of what Rossi got after only being off an M1 for two years. And God knows Rossi was fresh as a daisy when he returned, as it didn't look like he risked .... the entire second year at Ducati, unlike Spies who had been killing himself in hopes of getting promoted. While Spies was tearing himself up for the factory ride, Rossi was putting in a call to his sport agent Carmelo Clause.

Well...so what happened Ben's second year at Yamaha? Oh yeah the team looked busy creating an extraordinary and seemingly unbelievable number of mechanicals and mishaps. One could say it killed all confidence for Spies, and as they say, racing is lots in the mind, confidence being probably the most important. I honestly can't remember any factory squad having so much .... happen. I'm laughing remembering his swingarm going cottage cheese.

How many races did Rossi win in his second year on an M1? Answer: 2. Both wins when Marquez crashed out of the lead! So in a two year span Rossi, the greatest ever won 3 races (all 3 with from attrition) , Spies 1 (almost 2). You got to wonder out of half a season of mind-boggling mechanicals, maybe one or two might have resulted in a win? For perspective, Ben's swingarm cracked in half down the Corkscrew. A ....... swingarm! Haha. Jesus. So over a two year span, I can't really say the M1 flattered Rossi all that much better than Spies. Another conclusion can be, Spies was nearly as good as Rossi on a factory M1. Much has to do with intangibles and circumstances, that's just how it is, aunts with dicks.

So, I'm sticking to JKnock's assertion: the next move for an "alien" is a factory Honda / Yamaha, but with one little caveat, that the guy needs to be supported like a GOAT.
 
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Ha! F-ing Spies, I still think he got a .... shake in GP bro. I feel he didn't realize his true potential, which I believe was considerable. Really underrated! He did very well for Tech3 and when he was promoted to the factory squad, from the get go it aways seemed tentative.

Ok ok, let me try and make a case for Spies since we watched him grow up in AMA. Just for the hell of it. Hear me out. (Believe me, it's a curse bro.) But...

1 win that is correct, the same win total that the great Rossi had when he returned from Ducati. So we could say, you know who the M1 didn't flatter on his retun, Valentino Rossi. Crazy right? The Greatest of all Time and Ben Spies got the same win total in a year's worth of Factory M1. This was Ben's first year ever on a factory Yamaha. Btw, should have been two wins but he got nipped at the line by Stoner on the RCV rocketship at Valencia. Ok, so like Steeeve said, "if" his aunt had a .... she'd be Kaytlin. As much as there is truth to that, there is also wisdom in digging a bit deeper for meaning. Otherwise, we could look at Hulk Hogan's world title and based on "results" conclude, well that mofo is the greatest wrestler of all time. Interesting enough, both Spies and Rossi notched their single win at Assen. However, let me add a bit of circumstance, Lorenzo had just won the previous two races and looked good to win his 3rd at Assen. But he broke his Pedrosa bone during practice. He still raced (after getting surgery between practices) but came in 5th. Rossi won. So even that 1 Rossi win was circumstantial, in weather, otherwise it likely should have been zero wins on a factory M1.

So Ben looked good going into that next season. Almost 2 wins, double of what Rossi got after only being off an M1 for two years. And God knows Rossi was fresh as a daisy when he returned, as it didn't look like he risked .... the entire second year at Ducati, unlike Spies who had been killing himself in hopes of getting promoted. While Spies was tearing himself up for the factory ride, Rossi was putting in a call to his sport agent Carmelo Clause.

Well...so what happened Ben's second year at Yamaha? Oh yeah the team looked busy creating an extraordinary and seemingly unbelievable number of mechanicals and mishaps. One could say it killed all confidence for Spies, and as they say, racing is lots in the mind, confidence being probably the most important. I honestly can't remember any factory squad having so much .... happen. I'm laughing remembering his swingarm going cottage cheese.

How many races did Rossi win in his second year on an M1? Answer: 2. Both wins when Marquez crashed out of the lead! So in a two year span Rossi, the greatest ever won 3 races (all 3 with from attrition) , Spies 1 (almost 2). You got to wonder out of half a season of mind-boggling mechanicals, maybe one or two might have resulted in a win? For perspective, Ben's swingarm cracked in half down the Corkscrew. A ....... swingarm! Haha. Jesus. So over a two year span, I can't really say the M1 flattered Rossi all that much better than Spies. Another conclusion can be, Spies was nearly as good as Rossi on a factory M1. Much has to do with intangibles and circumstances, that's just how it is, aunts with dicks.

So, I'm sticking to JKnock's assertion: the next move for an "alien" is a factory Honda / Yamaha, but with one little caveat, that the guy needs to be supported like a GOAT.

Jum. One of your bests
 
Ha! F-ing Spies, I still think he got a .... shake in GP bro. I feel he didn't realize his true potential, which I believe was considerable. Really underrated! He did very well for Tech3 and when he was promoted to the factory squad, from the get go it aways seemed tentative.

Ok ok, let me try and make a case for Spies since we watched him grow up in AMA. Just for the hell of it. Hear me out. (Believe me, it's a curse bro.) But...

1 win that is correct, the same win total that the great Rossi had when he returned from Ducati. So we could say, you know who the M1 didn't flatter on his retun, Valentino Rossi. Crazy right? The Greatest of all Time and Ben Spies got the same win total in a year's worth of Factory M1. This was Ben's first year ever on a factory Yamaha. Btw, should have been two wins but he got nipped at the line by Stoner on the RCV rocketship at Valencia. Ok, so like Steeeve said, "if" his aunt had a .... she'd be Kaytlin. As much as there is truth to that, there is also wisdom in digging a bit deeper for meaning. Otherwise, we could look at Hulk Hogan's world title and based on "results" conclude, well that mofo is the greatest wrestler of all time. Interesting enough, both Spies and Rossi notched their single win at Assen. However, let me add a bit of circumstance, Lorenzo had just won the previous two races and looked good to win his 3rd at Assen. But he broke his Pedrosa bone during practice. He still raced (after getting surgery between practices) but came in 5th. Rossi won. So even that 1 Rossi win was circumstantial, in weather, otherwise it likely should have been zero wins on a factory M1.

So Ben looked good going into that next season. Almost 2 wins, double of what Rossi got after only being off an M1 for two years. And God knows Rossi was fresh as a daisy when he returned, as it didn't look like he risked .... the entire second year at Ducati, unlike Spies who had been killing himself in hopes of getting promoted. While Spies was tearing himself up for the factory ride, Rossi was putting in a call to his sport agent Carmelo Clause.

Well...so what happened Ben's second year at Yamaha? Oh yeah the team looked busy creating an extraordinary and seemingly unbelievable number of mechanicals and mishaps. One could say it killed all confidence for Spies, and as they say, racing is lots in the mind, confidence being probably the most important. I honestly can't remember any factory squad having so much .... happen. I'm laughing remembering his swingarm going cottage cheese.

How many races did Rossi win in his second year on an M1? Answer: 2. Both wins when Marquez crashed out of the lead! So in a two year span Rossi, the greatest ever won 3 races (all 3 with from attrition) , Spies 1 (almost 2). You got to wonder out of half a season of mind-boggling mechanicals, maybe one or two might have resulted in a win? For perspective, Ben's swingarm cracked in half down the Corkscrew. A ....... swingarm! Haha. Jesus. So over a two year span, I can't really say the M1 flattered Rossi all that much better than Spies. Another conclusion can be, Spies was nearly as good as Rossi on a factory M1. Much has to do with intangibles and circumstances, that's just how it is, aunts with dicks.

So, I'm sticking to JKnock's assertion: the next move for an "alien" is a factory Honda / Yamaha, but with one little caveat, that the guy needs to be supported like a GOAT.

2 with 13 podiums. How many podiums did Spies get his second season on the factory yamaha?

Spies was terribly unlucky. I blame his mom. I wasn't trying to compare Rossi and Spies. Rossi hasn't been great since coming back, however comparing him to Spies is not valid either. I was trying out that the factory yamaha doesn't guarantee anything. Case and point Ben Spies.
 
2 with 13 podiums. How many podiums did Spies get his second season on the factory yamaha?

Spies was terribly unlucky. I blame his mom. I wasn't trying to compare Rossi and Spies. Rossi hasn't been great since coming back, however comparing him to Spies is not valid either. I was trying out that the factory yamaha doesn't guarantee anything. Case and point Ben Spies.
Agree bro. Look at Colin Edwards.
 
Ya I understand. I just have trouble with people saying it's purely the bike, anyway I guess we'll only know for sure once Jorge starts racing for Ducati...

When Stoner was winning on the Ducati every single Rossi fan I ever met swore it was only because the of the bike. That was ........ then much as this argument about Rossi is ........ now.
 
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Ha! F-ing Spies, I still think he got a .... shake in GP bro. I feel he didn't realize his true potential, which I believe was considerable. Really underrated! He did very well for Tech3 and when he was promoted to the factory squad, from the get go it aways seemed tentative.

Ok ok, let me try and make a case for Spies since we watched him grow up in AMA. Just for the hell of it. Hear me out. (Believe me, it's a curse bro.) But...

1 win that is correct, the same win total that the great Rossi had when he returned from Ducati. So we could say, you know who the M1 didn't flatter on his retun, Valentino Rossi. Crazy right? The Greatest of all Time and Ben Spies got the same win total in a year's worth of Factory M1. This was Ben's first year ever on a factory Yamaha. Btw, should have been two wins but he got nipped at the line by Stoner on the RCV rocketship at Valencia. Ok, so like Steeeve said, "if" his aunt had a .... she'd be Kaytlin. As much as there is truth to that, there is also wisdom in digging a bit deeper for meaning. Otherwise, we could look at Hulk Hogan's world title and based on "results" conclude, well that mofo is the greatest wrestler of all time. Interesting enough, both Spies and Rossi notched their single win at Assen. However, let me add a bit of circumstance, Lorenzo had just won the previous two races and looked good to win his 3rd at Assen. But he broke his Pedrosa bone during practice. He still raced (after getting surgery between practices) but came in 5th. Rossi won. So even that 1 Rossi win was circumstantial, in weather, otherwise it likely should have been zero wins on a factory M1.

So Ben looked good going into that next season. Almost 2 wins, double of what Rossi got after only being off an M1 for two years. And God knows Rossi was fresh as a daisy when he returned, as it didn't look like he risked .... the entire second year at Ducati, unlike Spies who had been killing himself in hopes of getting promoted. While Spies was tearing himself up for the factory ride, Rossi was putting in a call to his sport agent Carmelo Clause.

Well...so what happened Ben's second year at Yamaha? Oh yeah the team looked busy creating an extraordinary and seemingly unbelievable number of mechanicals and mishaps. One could say it killed all confidence for Spies, and as they say, racing is lots in the mind, confidence being probably the most important. I honestly can't remember any factory squad having so much .... happen. I'm laughing remembering his swingarm going cottage cheese.

How many races did Rossi win in his second year on an M1? Answer: 2. Both wins when Marquez crashed out of the lead! So in a two year span Rossi, the greatest ever won 3 races (all 3 with from attrition) , Spies 1 (almost 2). You got to wonder out of half a season of mind-boggling mechanicals, maybe one or two might have resulted in a win? For perspective, Ben's swingarm cracked in half down the Corkscrew. A ....... swingarm! Haha. Jesus. So over a two year span, I can't really say the M1 flattered Rossi all that much better than Spies. Another conclusion can be, Spies was nearly as good as Rossi on a factory M1. Much has to do with intangibles and circumstances, that's just how it is, aunts with dicks.

So, I'm sticking to JKnock's assertion: the next move for an "alien" is a factory Honda / Yamaha, but with one little caveat, that the guy needs to be supported like a GOAT.

Nice man. This one is full of good stuff. Pedrosa bone.:D
 
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. Can someone explain why Rossi would attempt to assert that he was going to beat Marquez without the pit stop given that Marquez would have obviously picked his stronger bike which had superior pace to Rossi? .

Because he knows his fans are ....... dim wits and will believe anything he tells them. He could tell them an asteroid cracked his face shield making it difficult to see and they would be all over the internet explaining this as the reason he got beat.
 
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He could tell them an asteroid cracked his face shield making it difficult to see and they would be all over the internet explaining this as the reason he got beat.

I thought that was one of Lorenzo's excuses last year - together with dislodged helmet padding and steamed up visor?
 
Ha! F-ing Spies, I still think he got a .... shake in GP bro. I feel he didn't realize his true potential, which I believe was considerable. Really underrated! He did very well for Tech3 and when he was promoted to the factory squad, from the get go it aways seemed tentative.

Don't forget the bout of food poisoning he got, which seems coincidental.


Interesting pic.

Because he knows his fans are ....... dim wits and will believe anything he tells them. He could tell them an asteroid cracked his face shield making it difficult to see and they would be all over the internet explaining this as the reason he got beat.

It's the same as Crutchlow saying he should have been on the podium when he crashed out on lap 1. ShouldaWouldaCoulda
 
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Rossi 'alluded' to 'maybe' a 'possible' tire issue. This would account for a difference, but as Povol said, I think it was a combination of Marc's stronger pace with Rossi's weaker pace. That can certainly come from the common difference of a #1 versus #2 bike.

.......................Can someone explain why Rossi would attempt to assert that he was going to beat Marquez without the pit stop given that Marquez would have obviously picked his stronger bike which had superior pace to Rossi? That's not even factoring in that as Rossi himself has alluded, Michelin have a quality control problem.

I don't buy this "good bike #1 - not-as-good bike #2 " argument given a top factory team in the year 2016, with all the electronics and precise instrumental checks and whatnot -- the only thing that can make two factory
Yamaha or Hondas really "different" is different setups, or faulty parts (improbable), or tires.

So most probably it is down to tires -- but let's remember that there is also the rider in the equation, and that's more difficult to evaluate performance wise. I saw a gung-ho Marquez happily on the throttle out of the pitlane, and a much more cautious Rossi (maybe he was thinking of Lorenzo at Misano 2015, maybe it's just the age factor, maybe he didn't feel the tires ok).

By the way, Rossi didn't say he would have won if the race had been uninterrupted, -- he said he "could have tried" to win. Seeing his performance especially on the brakes (as Arrab noted) in the first 10 laps, it's not an outlandish claim. I still think he would have been second though, Marquez looked very good.
 

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