MotoGP: 2016 Round 05 - Monster Energy Grand Prix de France (SPOILERS)

JPSLotus said:

Here we have Exhibit A of a Migs "gotcha" post.

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And did you cheer?

MigsAngel said:

And did you cheer?

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Nope.

But you wouldn't believe that regardless.

I laughed when Cal fell in LeMans. I know we all did. But that's different.

#22 said:

A jibe at Lorenzo's comments from Jerez is that?

Here is what he ACTUALLY said:



MotoGP News - MotoGP Spain: Lorenzo: Spinning rear cost me chance of win

Nice attempt at stirring the pot but you get a D-...must try harder

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Funny how the definition of what is an explanation and what is an excuse changes with the identity of the rider concerned.

I take it Rossi's explanation for finishing 7th in qualifying was just that, not an excuse; I tend to believe it myself given his race performance and fastest lap.

Jorge could have perhaps been more gracious about Rossi's perfromance at Jerez, not that VR has done much to prompt him to act graciously of late, but that he couldn't ride at his practice pace because he he couldn't get the tyre to work in the different conditions seems like a rational explanation as well.

JL admitted riding errors when he crashed out at Misano 2015 and Argentina 2016, as Rossi did for crashing out at COTA 2016.

JPSLotus said:

Nope.

But you wouldn't believe that regardless.

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I will take you at your word...though given your levels of hate for Rossi......it is surprising....

Barbedwirebikerr said:

Bullfighting is not sport.Hemingway got that wrong.

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I agree. I am on the bull's side, and would never watch a bullfight, but there is some danger to the bullfighter, which was probably Hemingway's point, and certainly mine.

Motokitty said:

I laughed when Cal fell in LeMans. I know we all did. But that's different.

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My first response was "Who won the sweepstake this week?"

Arrabbiata1 said:

...as opposed to wanting others to fall.

Be intrigued to see whether you justify that too.

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If a genuine JL fan yesterday, the moment Dovi and Marc fell, wouldn't grow a giant smile on their face and start screaming and shouting like idiots - at least deep inside their souls, so to speak -, I would very much question his genuinity, since that double DNF made his fav rider in the best situation possible for the championship; and even if one claims to be a pur(itan) lover of the sport, MotoGP is not F1: it's not like an on-track confrontation between MM and JLo is likely to never happen again this year just cause of this episode of Marc's misfortunes in Le Mans.

Now, the only thing that separates this slightly more classy "giant smile" from the "yellow-horde" collective explosion is that the second one is not a lonely/bored/classy single entity, but a mass of people who congregate. And masses of people are almost always likely to act kind of dumb. If there were more "masses" of JL fans and less individuals, I'm honestly pretty sure they'd act the same.

Motokitty said:

I laughed when Cal fell in LeMans. I know we all did. But that's different.

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Sometimes there is an element of comedy when the rider is visibly unhurt, otherwise there wouldn't be those crash kings videos. In fact Dorna themselves post crash compilations on Motogp.com, it's part of the sport. I recall Cal at a wet PI was on course for second in a race of attrition and then on the final lap the camera cut to a crumpled Ducati in a ditch somewhere infield. Something similar happened at Valencia - the year that Nakasuga got second, 2012 I think - when one minute he was on for a rostrum and when it cut back, there was a twisted Tech3 M1 steaming like a turd in the mud. Highly amusing until you saw him on a stretcher and the footage of him hurled across the track like a rag doll. The history of this sport is replete with hapless riders whose various mishaps have proved highly entertaining. Very often a rider is up and on his feet or trudging away, but I can't comprehend cheering any form of accident as it happens trackside - or at home come to that.

Similarly, it may be a harmless bit of fun, but on reflection the Crutchlow crash thread is questionable. I'm not in the slightest bit superstitious (bar the fact that I need to squat down holding a footpeg and rearrange my leathers around my knackers and crack as I pull off), and I don't believe in the notion of tempting fate but consider, we could quite conceivably have started one in 2011 for Marco. Let me know how that would have turned out.

michaelm said:

I agree. I am on the bull's side, and would never watch a bullfight, but there is some danger to the bullfighter, which was probably Hemingway's point, and certainly mine.

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Death is the Afternoon is certainly an interesting book...but for that .... to still be going on 80 years later is just crap.

CharlieParker said:

If a genuine JL fan yesterday, the moment Dovi and Marc fell, wouldn't grow a giant smile on their face and start screaming and shouting like idiots - at least deep inside their souls, so to speak -, I would very much question his genuinity, since that double DNF made his fav rider in the best situation possible for the championship; and even if one claims to be a pur(itan) lover of the sport, MotoGP is not F1: it's not like an on-track confrontation between MM and JLo is likely to never happen again this year just cause of this episode of Marc's misfortunes in Le Mans.



Now, the only thing that separates this slightly more classy "giant smile" from the "yellow-horde" collective explosion is that the second one is not a lonely/bored/classy single entity, but a mass of people who congregate. And masses of people are almost always likely to act kind of dumb. If there were more "masses" of JL fans and less individuals, I'm honestly pretty sure they'd act the same.

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As a genuine George supporter, I did not cheer, clap or was over excited when Marky Mark crashed. But, once it was obvious that he was okay, I did say to myself, that made crashes equal for the top three and was happy that it gave George the points lead at the races end.

I believe there is a difference in cheering for or when someone crashes, and being happy with how that crash effected your favorite rider outcome in the race.

CharlieParker said:

If a genuine JL fan yesterday, the moment Dovi and Marc fell, wouldn't grow a giant smile on their face and start screaming and shouting like idiots - at least deep inside their souls, so to speak -, I would very much question his genuinity, since that double DNF made his fav rider in the best situation possible for the championship; and even if one claims to be a pur(itan) lover of the sport, MotoGP is not F1: it's not like an on-track confrontation between MM and JLo is likely to never happen again this year just cause of this episode of Marc's misfortunes in Le Mans.

Now, the only thing that separates this slightly more classy "giant smile" from the "yellow-horde" collective explosion is that the second one is not a lonely/bored/classy single entity, but a mass of people who congregate. And masses of people are almost always likely to act kind of dumb. If there were more "masses" of JL fans and less individuals, I'm honestly pretty sure they'd act the same.

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I have never, ever been happy about any riding crashing. I fortunately had another engagement the night of Simoncelli's crash and didn't see it live or subsequently, but unfortunately was watching live when Rainey broke his back, which was immediately obvious to me, and also saw poor Craig Jones' supersport accident.

Never, ever wish for a rider to crash.

WVMotoGP99 said:

As a genuine George supporter, I did not cheer, clap or was over excited when Marky Mark crashed. But, once it was obvious that he was okay, I did say to myself, that made crashes equal for the top three and was happy that it gave George the points lead at the races end.

I believe there is a difference in cheering for or when someone crashes, and being happy with how that crash effected your favorite rider outcome in the race.

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how'd you feel when Iannone crashed out while making progress toward JLo?

CharlieParker said:

Now, the only thing that separates this slightly more classy "giant smile" from the "yellow-horde" collective explosion is that the second one is not a lonely/bored/classy single entity, but a mass of people who congregate. And masses of people are almost always likely to act kind of dumb. If there were more "masses" of JL fans and less individuals, I'm honestly pretty sure they'd act the same.

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That is not to condone it and that being the case I would similarly condemn it and expect Jorge to exhort those responsible to desist.

michaelm said:

Never, ever wish for a rider to crash.

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Only non-riders will cheer for a rider to crash...

MigsAngel said:

how'd you feel when Iannone crashed out while making progress toward JLo?

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I hated to see him crash.

He was making progress, but at that point, it was early and I didn't believe he could maintain JLo pace for the entire race. I could have been wrong, but that was my thought at the time. Plus, it would have made for good racing.

WVMotoGP99 said:

I hated to see him crash.

He was making progress, but at that point, it was early and I didn't believe he could maintain JLo pace for the entire race. I could have been wrong, but that was my thought at the time. Plus, it would have made for good racing.

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Yes, I was looking forward to the race as well. I think The first two would still have finished as they did however.

WVMotoGP99 said:

Plus, it would have made for good racing.

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Precisely.

A concept that seems to be entirely beyond a great many Valentino fanatics.

WVMotoGP99 said:

I hated to see him crash.

He was making progress, but at that point, it was early and I didn't believe he could maintain JLo pace for the entire race. I could have been wrong, but that was my thought at the time. Plus, it would have made for good racing.

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If nothing else he would have given JLo a fight made for a less boring race at the front....even if the fight only lasted for a lap or two....

Mugello should be interesting since Ducati has tested there recently to make the best showing possible at home....
This could also be the point in the season that Yamaha start giving more support towards Rossi's side of garage for the race and the title...

Jumkie said:

Lorenzo had this 'right' to file given the fact he lines up next to dangerous Rossi.
As it was reported, a person with an interest can submit, something like:

"Amicus Curiae
Literally, friend of the court. A person with strong interest in or views on the subject matter of an action, but not a party to the action, may petition the court for permission to file a brief, ostensibly on behalf of a party but actually to suggest a rationale consistent with its own views."

Rossi's appeal to eliminate the light decision of a rear start was the most revealing of a man's character. But you and the boppers would have been ok had the court eliminated the sanction, claiming legality as moral. Well, Lorenzo also had the 'right' FACT! J4rn0, any rider on the grid could have submitted, Lorenzo was the only one because a rider who did what Rossi did should be disqualified. To paraphrase Stoner, 'anybody else does that and it would have been black flag, no questions asked.' Lorenzo actually said virtually the same thing, 'Rossi's name is too big in the sport' to explain why Rossi wasn't disqualified. In other words, Lorenzo was the only one with the balls in that paddock to stand up to the bully. And now is subject to the wrath of the perverted fans were all logic and decency is eclipsed by cult worship.

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Never thought I can change your mind Jums. Not for a second.
In Latin there is a famous phrase that says "Cui prodest?" which means "to whose profit?" The question was considered relevant when dubious facts had to be interpreted. It is the same logic you use (or try to) when you want to demonstrate that all rules are made for the benefit or one rider... "Cui prodest? Rossis, semper!" ;-)

In this case, Lorenzo had too much to profit from Rossi's penalty to be a credible paladin of justice.