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Wow.
Rossi's behaviour deserved the thumbs down.
Great example to his younger riders ain't it. if they get in your way or they try to race you hard, just run them wide and give them the boot!
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But this was supposed to be the race thread, wasn't it.
Great win by Lorenzo, that puts to rest the usual silly tire conspiracy theories promptly budding after Jerez, as evidently the Michelin served him well enough this time.
The tire issue is very alive though, regarding the quality of the supply, as the main news is that only 13 riders made it to the flag, -- most of them losing the front along the way.
Fact is that Michelin is still developing and changing the tires (voiding all tests and chassis developments done by the manufacturers in the winter...!) and that, along with the new electronics, makes bike setup and rider style adaptation an ongoing problem.
Add to this the poor and inconsistent track surface at Le Mans, and the many crashes find their explanation.
Certainly Michelin are at fault -- they have yet to finalize the base set of tires, and they are very late with that. But everybody knows that they matching the quality of the Bridgestone front is unlikely, so riders have to adjust and know that Michelin is less forgiving. And teams also, as Dovi pointed out in a post race interview, have to work better to adjust the bike to the available tires.
In all this, the good news is that the championship looks very open with three riders within 12 points. Even Pedrosa is not out of the race yet. Unfortunately the Ducatis probably are.
Great win by Lorenzo, that puts to rest the usual silly tire conspiracy theories promptly budding after Jerez, as evidently the Michelin served him well enough this time.
The tire issue is very alive though, regarding the quality of the supply, as the main news is that only 13 riders made it to the flag, -- most of them losing the front along the way.
Fact is that Michelin is still developing and changing the tires (voiding all tests and chassis developments done by the manufacturers in the winter...!) and that, along with the new electronics, makes bike setup and rider style adaptation an ongoing problem.
Add to this the poor and inconsistent track surface at Le Mans, and the many crashes find their explanation.
Certainly Michelin are at fault -- they have yet to finalize the base set of tires, and they are very late with that. But everybody knows that they matching the quality of the Bridgestone front is unlikely, so riders have to adjust and know that Michelin is less forgiving. And teams also, as Dovi pointed out in a post race interview, have to work better to adjust the bike to the available tires.
In all this, the good news is that the championship looks very open with three riders within 12 points. Even Pedrosa is not out of the race yet. Unfortunately the Ducatis probably are.
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Uncalled for?
His motives were selfish yes, just in the same way Rossi's motives were selfish when he forced Marquez wide. The difference is Lorenzo had every right to lodge a protest, Rossi had NO RIGHT to do what he did to Marquez.
It's been discussed here before Richy, behaviours in the top level filter down even to grass roots level. In fact Marquez modelled himself on Rossi's tactics.
Agree Michelin need to get their act together.
There producing a very fast tyre, but it needs to last. There's always going to be crashes but a bit to many at the mo and tyres don't seem very consistent so far.
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There was some rather basic arithmetic involved. The 3 points Rossi possibly gained by taking MM out kept the margin at 7 rather than 4; with a 4 point margin 2nd at Valencia with Rossi finishing anywhere but 1st wins him the championship.
Seems strange he was worried given all of the last 3 races were supposedly fixed.
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I already pointed out many times that the history of racing is packed with episodes both of riders intentionally hampering other riders "within the rules" (for whatever reason), as Marquez did at Sepang, and of riders getting exasperated and reacting in a stupid way breaking the rules, as Rossi did at Sepang.
There are only two parties calling the Sepang episode "unprecedented" and moralizing over it, for opposite reasons:
1 - Rossi himself, who insisted that Marquez was doing something "unprecedented" when he himself and many others have done similar things in the past, and
2 - Rossi's sworn enemies, who call his reaction "unprecedented" to make it look even worse than what it already was.
As a matter of fact, whatever happened at Sepang 2015 was by no means unprecedented. Rossi was the one who broke the rules and he was punished, and hopefully all parties involved (including Lorenzo who involved himself in it) learned something. End of it, it's about time to move on.
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If he really wasn't worried, why did he file a paper with the Court asking that Rossi's penalty not be removed nor suspended?
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Fight fire with Fire?
If we are talking "unprecedented", when was the last time a rider engaged CAS over a non-drug related issue?
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Please give examples of precedents. Loris Capirossi is the only one that springs to mind, but not in the premier class.
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Again, arithmetic, 7 point lead instead of 4.
4 point lead means if he wins at Valencia he wins, if he comes 2nd while finishing ahead of Rossi he wins. Hard to argue with that extremely basic arithmetic, probably explains why you are not doing so.
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Absolutely concur - and as I'm sure you will agree, with it, this tiresome booing. Again, nothing new to the sport, but prior to Valentino, it existed in isolated, sporadic incidents.
Rossi has always liked to vilify his opposition and mobilise his global yellow army of minions against any threat to his empire. Max, Sete, Stoner, Lorenzo and Marquez. ..... Donington 2006, even Pedrosa was roundly booed in Parc Ferme for having the temerity to beat an injured Rossi in the race. Two years later the same fraternity were booing Stoner during The Day of Champions.
It's .... but the yellow stain polluting the stands is indelible for the next few years. Perhaps I can live with that for now, pretty much the same tribalism as football. What I can't accept is cheering of a fallen rider.
Astonishing post - have you attended a race recently? Then check again. So the huge cheers and applause that the producers ramp up every time Valentino makes a pass is coming from neutrals too? It's so blatant, you can hear it fade back in the mix. Even so, it's a fair representation of the atmosphere in the grandstands and trackside and sells the product. Regarding the celebrating crashes however, as a neutral myself, I urge you to check again. Alternatively, find Brno 2001, when Biaggi crashed out of the lead in front of Rossi and gauge the response of certain sections of the crowd. But you needn't go back that far - although it's always been there since, simply re-watch Misano 2015 or Argentina this year.
Although almost six years ago, the images of Tomizawa still feel sickeningly fresh and the memories of Sepang 2011 still cast a dark shadow across the paddock. God forbid, the prospect of a repeat of Misano, perhaps involving Marquez, Lorenzo and another rider and thousands of 'racegoers' celebrating trackside is chilling. Watch again the reaction of Valentino's supporters when Jorge went down in excess of 130mph at a track that claimed the life of Shoya and paralysed Rainey.
The roar yesterday when Marquez crashed out was sickening and the suggestion that Rossi fans are absolved from blame because someone on here 'checked the video of the stands' which had 'barely any yellow at all' is frankly delusional. The BT commentary team even commented on the overwhelming support on raceday...'Today, if you hear your name and it isn't Valentino Rossi then it's probably Johann Zarco listening'.
And to the person that suggested that some may have cracked a smile when Vale went down at Austin...doubtless there are always going to be idiots, but it's slightly different to thousands of ecstatic spectators delirious with joy at the image of a tumbling rider.
I am utterly unable to fathom why these people pay money with this expectation. The ideal scenario appears to be Rossi, unassailed and unchallenged, sail away and win the race by a country mile. If so, just order a copy of the 2002 season DVD. Personally, I don't care who wins, I just want close racing. I want to see as many riders as possible at the sharp end, I want to see competitive racing, everyone bringing it home safely and I can't comprehend why anyone would pay money to attend or watch this sport with expectations otherwise.
Screw the booing for now, this sick and perverse celebration of crashes this needs immediate and direct intervention form the organisers on the day, the press, Dorna, and, mindful of the tragic passing of his friend Marco Simoncelli, a personal appeal from Vale himself.
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VR: "if it wasn't for the rear spinning, I would have easily won the race"...
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Hate to get back on topic, but Bradley Smith had a real good theory on the front tire. He also brought up that in Mugello that they will have sensors on the tires. That might solve the mystery.
http://m.crash.net/motogp/news/230188/1/smith-suspects-rising-tyre-pressure-causes-falls.html
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A jibe at Lorenzo's comments from Jerez is that?
Here is what he ACTUALLY said:
MotoGP News - MotoGP Spain: Lorenzo: Spinning rear cost me chance of win
Nice attempt at stirring the pot but you get a D-...must try harder
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I thought pressure sensors had been made mandatory in the wake of Baz' preseason tyre failure?
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Agreed Daniboy. I just wish the booing crowd felt that way too.
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Cause they're spectators and supporters and, as such, inherently "cowards". But that's what watching any sport of any kind with any type of specific preference is all about. Nothing wrong with that. "sportsmanship" is NOT something people who WATCH have to deal with it.
Supporting a specific rider, with all that it can imply - booing, hating, wanting others to fail etc -, is not a way to bash a sport, but rather a way to come to love it. You learn to love football as a kid through the terrible suffering it gives you the idea that your hometown team might lose, not through a generic "love of the game".
"Love of the game" is just an intellectual consequence that might come later. As a western society, ever since greek tragedy and perhaps even before, the process of identification is one of the most basic and spread throughout all people, and that's the first step - one that leaves you some sort of imprinting - for anyone who approaches a visual spectacle of any kind.
