MotoGP: 2016 Round 05 - Monster Energy Grand Prix de France (SPOILERS)

JPSLotus said:

Nothing like the Sepang move was ever attempted in premier class GP motorcycle racing to my knowledge. I'm sure if anyone would know, Arrab would. There's been dirty incidents yes, but to blatantly run a rider wide and then crash him out is unheard of.

Maybe instead of seeing MM on the Repsol Honda, people should start trying to imagine how they would react if it was their brother on the bike when this happened.

Seriously fellas, if it was a family member racing in MotoGP, and you watched that incident at Sepang unfold, and then saw them go down, I would wager all of you who trivialize the incident would be outraged, and be calling for a half year/year ban for Rossi. Anyone who says they wouldn't, I would call a liar.

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Sepang was unique... because many of the past incidents in GP racing have been far worse. Rossi slowed and pulled MM off line, then MM chose to turn into him and as a result he crashed. Past incidents involved riders hitting each other and running off the track and full race speeds, yet they don't get talked about anywhere near as much. I guess because it's easier to be convinced that it wasn't done on purpose and it was simply a racing incident. But Rossi deliberately running MM wide and admitting to it really gets under you skin, even though it was a very petty move compared to past incidents between other riders.

Deefer Dogg said:

I'd love to be able to just enjoy the sport without the hatred for any of the riders and all the other ........ that's going on just now. Unfortuantely with the cheering of crashing riders and such like, it's taken a bit of enjoyment out of motogp just now.

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Yup.
My tv feed died (again) on lap 2. So had to bolt down to the annoying expat heavy sportsbar down the road (again).
The numbers of fuckers who cheered when Dovi and Marquez went down boiled my piss . Was out of there as soon as JLo crossed the line.

Dr No said:

Yup.
My tv feed died (again) on lap 2. So had to bolt down to the annoying expat heavy sportsbar down the road (again).
The numbers of fuckers who cheered when Dovi and Marquez went down boiled my piss . Was out of there as soon as JLo crossed the line.

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Right, and no JL or MM supporters that want their fav rider to win the championship even cracked a smile when Rossi lost the front at COTA.

michaelm said:

Like your pal, he was rather desirous of winning a world championship, and VR in all likelihood gained a minimum of 3 points on him by an illegal act, and as Jumkie says later he as a fellow competitor is entitled to an opinion in regard to such a move that took out a fellow competitor. I am with Jumkie, I don't think he even should have apologised.

The " thumbs down" was in the tradition of the Roman circus you seem to wish the sport to become in any case.

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It is funny, you fancy yourself like Rhodes Scholar yet you miss the point in my post, not only that but you add to the nonsense with your own beat the dead horse. Maybe it is my poor English so I will try again. The OP says "MotoGP: 2016 Round 05 - Monster Energy Grand Prix De France...." , not about Sepang and who was right or wrong and how the same 2 virus of this forum derail every thread into a VR hate fest.

michaelm said:

Are you a Justin Bieber fan as well?

This is the sport of Hailwood, Roberts, Rainey, Lawson and Doohan. Toughness rather trumps "niceness", and Lorenzo has shown himself to be in that tradition, coming back from several concussions in 2008 in his rookie year to later win 3 championships, riding with 2 broken ankles in that year, and amazingly riding with a 2 day old fractured and plated clavicle at Assen 2013, among other things.

If he is not "nice" enough for you, find another pastime to follow. As above, Justin Bieber has a fan base with whom you should feel right at home.

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And what makes you the authority on music? How many top 10 hits do you have? Oh right, none! Who are you to demean others taste in music and think yours is somehow superior on something based on personal taste? If you don't like his music don't listen to it but your sarcasm is unwarranted. Your mask is slipping sir.

Please, only Lorenzo is tough? They are all tough, all these guys have raced with injuries at some point. To only single out Lorenzo as 'tough' as if he's the only one is wrong. And yes, the character is important. Some fans connect with riders off the bike and if they don't see a personality they can connect with = less fans. Jorge has never had a fan base of more than a few people. Proof. There are like a few dozen booing yet there are none cheering for him to drown it out.

moto vudu said:

Right, and no JL or MM supporters that want their fav rider to win the championship even cracked a smile when Rossi lost the front at COTA.

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Mate, the place erupted.
Not a peep from them on any other move.
And anyway, if a MM or JLo fan did that then they suck, too.

steeeeeve said:

This horse has been beaten into a bloody ball of unrecognizible mass of blood and hair. Can't see arguing it anymore. And I cant take your opinion on gospel. I disagree with your take. I find it to be a distorded view hyperbolized but raw hatred.
But cheers.

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Cheers to you. There is plenty of raw hatred out there for current riders, namely Jorge Lorenzo who was just booed on the podium after riding a complete race weekend about as perfectly as anyone has ever done, and for MM who was cheered for crashing out of the race. Interestingly the vitriol seems more caustic towards JL who won the 2015 championship rather than against MM, the supposed perpetrator of an impossible conspiracy, demonstrating what it is all really about.

In the past there has been "raw hatred" of several other riders, including Biaggi, Gibernau, Elias, Stoner and even to some extent Nicky Hayden for a time, with a common denominator uniting all of those riders. Yet like many supporters of that common denominator you invert reality, and apparently find the disapproval of 5 or so posters on here to be both more irrational and more deeply problematic.

michaelm said:

Cheers to you. There is plenty of raw hatred out there for current riders, namely Jorge Lorenzo who was just booed on the podium after riding a complete race weekend about as perfectly as anyone has ever done, and for MM who was cheered for crashing out of the race. Interestingly the vitriol seems more caustic towards JL who won the 2015 championship rather than against MM, the supposed perpetrator of an impossible conspiracy, demonstrating what it is all really about.

In the past there has been "raw hatred" of several other riders, including Biaggi, Gibernau, Elias, Stoner and even to some extent Nicky Hayden for at time, with a common denominator uniting all of those riders. Yet like many supporters of that common denominator you invert reality, and apparently find the disapproval of 5 or so posters on here to be irrational and more deeply problematic.

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Raw hatred...don't forget Pedrosa...

paparazzo said:

It is funny, you fancy yourself like Rhodes Scholar yet you miss the point in my post, not only that but you add to the nonsense with your own beat the dead horse. Maybe it is my poor English so I will try again. The OP says "MotoGP: 2016 Round 05 - Monster Energy Grand Prix De France...." , not about Sepang and who was right or wrong and how the same 2 virus of this forum derail every thread into a VR hate fest.



And what makes you the authority on music? How many top 10 hits do you have? Oh right, none! Who are you to demean others taste in music and think yours is somehow superior on something based on personal taste? If you don't like his music don't listen to it but your sarcasm is unwarranted. Your mask is slipping sir.

Please, only Lorenzo is tough? They are all tough, all these guys have raced with injuries at some point. To only single out Lorenzo as 'tough' as if he's the only one is wrong. And yes, the character is important. Some fans connect with riders off the bike and if they don't see a personality they can connect with = less fans. Jorge has never had a fan base of more than a few people. Proof. There are like a few dozen booing yet there are none cheering for him to drown it out.

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On the contrary, it is you who miss the point, several of them in fact.

This was a race thread concerning the Le Mans race, to which I contributed early post race only in regard to the race quite happily.

Looking for further insights into the race checking the thread this morning my time, I found discussion of how the dominant winner of the race deserved to be booed for not being "nice", apparently among other reasons because he once made a rude gesture in relation to poor put upon Valentino at the aforementioned Sepang 2015 race.

I have no opinion and gave no opinion in regard to Justin Bieber's music, having no knowledge or experience which allows me to form an opinion, and referred only to his fan base, widely reputed to include an hysterical school girl element; if the cap fits feel free to wear it.

I also made absolutely no comment about current riders other than Jorge not being tough, my view is quite the contrary including in regard to Valentino obviously, who is still racing in this dangerous sport at age 37 among other things, and as I recall missed only 3 races after a gruesome compound fracture in 2010. My point was that the tradition of the sport relates rather more to being tough than to being "nice".

I know several Rhodes Scholars as it happens, but could never have qualified for the sporting criteria myself.

Geez, I step away for a yew days and things are still just "peachy" around here, lol. Well, instead of joining the arguments, I'll just say this:

It was quite an interesting race, on many levels. Gorgeous George ran a perfect race, hats off to him. I watched his pole lap on motogp.com and it was certainly a thing of beauty. As you might expect, I was thrilled to see the Yellow Marauder battle to second place. One could say that if Iannone hadn't crashed, Rossi would have been third - probably so. Congrats to Vinales for his first podium, although I was really hoping Daniboy would have taken the final spot - hard to not root for the guy. The crash of Marc/Dovi was one of the oddest things I've ever seen in GP racing. It was like synchronized crashing. It was almost like a Bond movie, where Rossi unleashed a secret oil spray canon from within the frame of his M1, sending Marc and Dovi into the gravel. In any event, I still believe Rossi would have held both of them off had they not gone down. So how many times can Cal crash and still retain his job? I like Cal but oh my...

Anyway gents, a good night to all!

gbphantom said:

Oh, I see what you did there. Clever. I find the "Troll" banner gets slapped on pretty quickly around here anymore. When he first came on this board spitting fire he was quickly revered. You guys give Krops a hard time about him running his board like a Hitler, Stalin, Kim Un/Il, ect but anytime someone has a differing opinion they are chastised and ganged up on or labeled a troll. So heaven forbid someone call his ... out. He was probably the most vocal about it is all. I do tend to forget how lopsided this forum is opinion-wise. I've always found you and JKD entertaining and insightful and you at least know a lot of these posters personally, so I could see your distaste for them. Well I know how the rest of this goes

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No, he didn't call you on your opinion, he called you on bringing up an old dispute on this forum, not at all related to yesterday's race, from which he and Keshav, two of the parties involved which you were not, have moved on.

Steeeve, Papabozzo, Voodu, speaking of "dead horse", the very first thoughts on the race, starting with page 5 and on was about the booing. Who was booed? Oh yeah, the guys Rossi told you to hate! What was their crime? An imaginary conspiracy, and a disapproving gesture to an ugly move made to the man who perpetrated it! (They weren't being openly booed at PI last year or before, supposedly the epicenter of Marquez's crime and Lorenzo's Spanish conspiracy ). There is your "deadhorse" you supposedly don't want to revisit. There is your "derailed thread". Except....even the MotoGP warm and gentle grandpa, Nick Harris, said in his commentary during the world feed: "Oh stop the booing!" There is your "deadhorse" a horse unfortunately very much ALIVE! A horrible horse, more like a monster Rossi created!

Oh make no mistake, you're only fooling yourself if you think Lorenzo created this "deadhorse" that hasn't died. Rossi created it and thanks to people like you who think Lorenzo is to blame instead of Rossi, this horse will continue to live. I know why you call it a "deadhorse" for the same reason an inconvenient truth is dismissed with the declaration of "conspiracy". Simple, declared it sometime and you've convinced yourself it's invalid. Saves you from having to reason through the logic that will inevitably fail.

Well...I didn't put those words in Nick Harris' mouth, did i? "Deadhorse." I didn't type the first reactions of this race on the subject of openly disrespectful fans, did i? "Deadhorse." I wasn't there in France telling the fans to cheer for crashing riders, or jeer for the 'winning' one, did i? "Deadhorse."

Why do you characterize something so alive and present as a "deadhorse"? Is it dead? Or is it just inconvenient to face the fact your Rossi is still affecting the sport negatively? Yes, that is Rossi's legacy! But you don't want to talk about it, right? It's "derailing" the thread that started with a reaction to the RACE which included the ugliness Rossi has created and facilitated.

"Deadhorse" as alive as this weekend's Kentucky Derby winner!

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"JL is a ...., a ...., he's not nice, no personality", etc. etc.

Laughable. Is that all you guys have?

Jumkie said:

The tires have caused major problems for riders, therefore it's rather naive to believe there are not winners and losers in terms of tire performance. Pedrosa has so far been the most adversely effected, and he has said as much. The peculiarities of the Michelin being brought to the venues are inconsistent and if it has effected Pedrosa, it also means it has presented Marquez with a challenge. All the top riders have had DNFs, so no it is NOT a unique problem for HONDA.

Today Marquez was doing fine, he looked on course to fight for a podium. It's unreasonable to think he is going to be fighting for the win every race. The podium was as good as his bike, set up, rider, etc. Not sure why you are singling out the RCV. The two Ducatis also crashed on unforced errors. Why isn't the Ducati a "turd" then by this logic? Btw, not sure where you get this idea Ducati is better than Honda.

The common denominator in crashes for the Yamaha, Ducati, Honda (and Suzuki if you count ARG) is the tire! The margin for error is a razor. When you got all the finishers scoring points today because of so many front end crashes, my first thought is not: hey that RCV is a turd. Also, consider there is no telling how that RCV would have behaved in the latter stages. Think about the ebb and flow for Marquez over a race distance. There is a good chance Marquez would have finished on the podium. Also, consider Marquez is purposefully riding prudently, which I think he was doing today, but that Michelin is a liability. Combined with the peculiarities (strength /weaknesses) of the RCV, no doubt it has presented a real challenge.

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What you are forgetting is Honda had the same problem last year on the best tire the series has ever seen. The Honda is a pos that has no strong points except for Marquez

Dallas Cowboys fans boo the Washington Redskins and vice versa .... welcome to the world of sport Jum

povol said:

What you are forgetting is Honda had the same problem last year on the best tire the series has ever seen. The Honda is a pos that has no strong points except for Marquez

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The "same problem"? Last year Marquez said the engine power delivery was too "aggressive" with "engine breaking problems", this year he is saying he lacks acceleration and is trying to make up time on the breaks! (Don't go getting your "same problem" conclusion from Kropo, maybe you think Marc is racing with one arm tied behind his back again? Ha!)


“The problem is that we are losing a lot. But if we improve the acceleration we have one of the best bikes,” Marquez explained. “It's hard because on the straight the time is 'free'. It is really difficult for your mentality when you see on the straight you cannot follow them [smiles]."

Read more at http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/23...ou-lack-acceleration.html#yMF7gjYjXlqgPjl3.99

He said himself last year (2015)the crashes were a matter of him pushing the bike like he thought it could handle the year before (2014). That is to say he didn't adjust to what the 2015 bike would give him. And declared his revelation to ride more prudently for points on weekends that the bike dictated a podium rather than a win. Today it was not about the bike, two riders crashed in tandem wilst in PODIUM fighting position! Your conclusion to that incident is: the Honda is the turd, the Ducati is fine?



“Also I chose the HARD FRONT TYRE, that for me was a good option. Because, ok, was MORE CRITICAL but was the only way to turn the bike. Because with the soft one, with the riding style of Honda, was impossible to finish the race.”

He was having no such problems with the Bridgestone. What he said last year was an engine breaking issue that caught him out. Honestly Pov, I don't get how you can declare the RCV a turd, it's won TWO races, podiums at Qatar, Jerez, and on track for a podium today. Pedrosa was on for a podium at COTA and was just off the podium at Jerez in 4th. Today finishing in 4th.

"Ducati riders Andrea Iannone and Andrea Dovizioso claim the UNPREDICTABILITY of MICHELIN'S FRONT MotoGP TYRES is to blame for their crashes in the French Grand Prix."

How much more evidence do you need it's the TIRE that is the problem?

xx CURVE xx said:

Dallas Cowboys fans boo the Washington Redskins and vice versa .... welcome to the world of sport Jum

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I boo the .... out of any team in the opposing dug out at Dodgers stadium. That's actually been going on for years. Why? Because it's part of baseball culture.

Up until Phillip Island last year, Marquez and Lorenzo were not being openly booed. Why? Because it is not part of MotoGP culture. Why are they being booed then? Who created that atmosphere? If there was cheating, why didn't Marquez and Lorenzo get booed in Australia? After all, we learned that's were the cheating was so obvious, even a caveman could see it. Right? Hahaha.

Booing isn't a thing in MotoGP. Well, it wasn't until...

I don't think Jorge cares, a few people boo'd him and he went out and dominated. Great athletes use it as motivation.

Ive always boo the .... out of Spanish Midgets bro because .... them. Pedro use to get the .... boo'd out him after 06.. matter of fact you were king Pedro boo'r at Laguna!lol

moto vudu said:

I don't think Jorge cares, a few people boo'd him and he went out and dominated. Great athletes use it as motivation.

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He absolutely cares. I think you're rationalization, perhaps to make you feel better about why he's getting jeered in the first place, which is Rossi's fault. Don't just blame it on "a few bad fans". Place the blame where it belongs, on ROSSI. Stop trying to avoid the obvious.

Lorenzo said when asked by Gavin Emmett about the booing: "I don't know what I did wrong. We are risking our lives to make a good race."

Does that sound like a guy who doesn't care? Stop trying to make yourself feel better about it because you lack the courage to blame Rossi for this .....

Jumkie said:

He absolutely cares. I think you're rationalization, perhaps to make you feel better about why he's getting jeered in the first place, which is Rossi's fault. Don't just blame it on "a few bad fans". Place the blame where it belongs, on ROSSI. Stop trying to avoid the obvious.

Lorenzo said when asked by Gavin Emmett about the booing: "I don't know what I did wrong. We are risking our lives to make a good race."

Does that sound like a guy who doesn't care? Stop trying to make yourself feel better about it because you lack the courage to blame Rossi for this .....

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Lack the courage to blame Rossi? It doesn't take courage to blame Rossi, it simply takes stupidity. Some fans were upset by Lorenzo's actions after Sepang and feel he should've kept his mouth shut. Rossi didn't force Lorenzo to give a thumbs down on the podium and speak on the MM incident as though it was between him and Rossi. Fans are still booing him for that. Oh well, he'll get over it and so will the fans.