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I hate to see too much of stupid booing. Group mentality at its worst. I bet when these booers were alone, they would definitely take pics with MM or Jorge if they had a chance.

Personally, I don't care which rider is an ........ It's not like they are in my bed. They may have "lost it" at some point, maybe some of them more often than others. Race maybe rigged. But it's not fixed.
 
moto vudu said:
Lack the courage to blame Rossi? It doesn't take courage to blame Rossi, it simply takes stupidity. Some fans were upset by Lorenzo's actions after Sepang and feel he should've kept his mouth shut. Rossi didn't force Lorenzo to give a thumbs down on the podium and speak on the MM incident as though it was between him and Rossi. Fans are still booing him for that. Oh well, he'll get over it and so will the fans.
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Some might argue it takes stupidity to ignore Rossi's role in all this.

What JL did wrong was to win a championship by being better and faster than Rossi at the end of last season, as we all know. He may not have been better if he had been racing a 26 year old Rossi rather than a 36 year old Rossi, but it was a 36 year old Rossi who turned up to race him, and they don't hand out championships to a rider just because he is revered for his previous great deeds.
 
michaelm said:
Some might argue it takes stupidity to ignore Rossi's role in all this.

What JL did wrong was to win a championship by being better and faster than Rossi at the end of last season, as we all know. He may not have been better if he had been racing a 26 year old Rossi rather than a 36 year old Rossi, but it was a 36 year old Rossi who turned up to race him, and they don't hand out championships to a rider just because he is revered for his previous great deeds.
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Winning wasn't what JL did wrong. All riders have fans that dislike them for whatever reason, but the booing was for JL sticking his nose where many felt it didn't belong. He should've let the MM vs VR incident at Sepang stay between MM & VR and not act like it he who VR ran wide.
 
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Winning wasn't what JL did wrong. Sure, all riders have fans that dislike them for whatever reason, but the booing was for JL sticking his nose where many felt it didn't belong. He should've let the MM vs VR incident at Sepang stay between MM & VR and not act like it he who VR ran wide.
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Lorenzo stuck his nose exactly where it belonged. He is after all subject to the dangers of THEE rider that dream up justification to crash out fellow competitors. That he was the only man to stand up and express disapproval is an act of bravery NOT cowardice or "lacking dignity" as it was universally painted. Pedrosa was the "dignified" one because he didn’t have the balls to say, hey what Rossi did was ...... up? The guy who talked .... about how dangerous was Simoncelli, and refused to shake his hand? Yeah, it's not his problem until it is. What Lorenzo did was spot on. Expressed disapproval for a man who had no business to share the podium. The only man I think to actually stand up to the bully. It's all about dignity until it's you who is getting ...... right? Chickenshit Rossi couldn't stand being raced cleanly, but Lorenzo turned out to be the worst man in the paddock for it? Fascinating. I'd like to study your mind for a science project.
 
Jumkie said:
Lorenzo stuck his nose exactly where it belonged. He is after all subject to the dangers of THEE rider that dream up justification to crash out fellow competitors. That he was the only man to stand up and express disapproval is an act of bravery NOT cowardice or "lacking dignity" as it was universally painted. Pedrosa was the "dignified" one because he didn’t have the balls to say, hey what Rossi did was ...... up? The guy who talked .... about how dangerous was Simoncelli, and refused to shake his hand? Yeah, it's not his problem until it is. What Lorenzo did was spot on. Expressed disapproval for a man who had no business to share the podium. The only man I think to actually stand up to the bully. It's all about dignity until it's you who is getting ...... right? Chickenshit Rossi couldn't stand being raced cleanly, but Lorenzo turned out to be the worst man in the paddock for it? Fascinating. I'd like to study your mind for a science project.
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Lorenzo wasn't standing for anything but himself. He wanted Rossi DQ'd because he wasn't certain he could win at Valencia. Had nothing to do with danger on track, he was giving a thumbs down before he had even watched the incident to know what even happened. Doesn't matter what you nor I feel about it, if others want to boo him over it they can and will. Either way, Rossi isn't to blame for that.
 
moto vudu said:
Lorenzo wasn't standing for anything but himself. He wanted Rossi DQ'd because he wasn't certain he could win at Valencia. Had nothing to do with danger on track, he was giving a thumbs down before he had even watched the incident to know what even happened.
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He watched the incident moments before taking the podium genius. Him looking at the incident on a screen was even on the feed!

Then chickenshit Rossi bailed out on the post race press conference. Probably to go tell Carmelo Clause to cancel all press conferences for the rest of the season so he wouldn't have to answer the hard questions. (Not that the journalists would have the balls to ask the hard questions. )
 
moto vudu said:
Winning wasn't what JL did wrong. All riders have fans that dislike them for whatever reason, but the booing was for JL sticking his nose where many felt it didn't belong. He should've let the MM vs VR incident at Sepang stay between MM & VR and not act like it he who VR ran wide.
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As I have said, he was an interested party, in terms of at least 3 points in a tight title race, and has had the title he won fairly on the track discredited by Valentino and his fans since on the basis of an impossible conspiracy theory,which we both know is to what the booing really pertains, and has had life made so unpleasant for him at the team for whom he won their last championship and their previous two most recent championships that he is leaving.

To pretend that this is all related to a single gesture, for which he apologised anyway (needlessly imo if not yours) and that gesture somehow justifies all else falls rather short of your usual standard of debate. What about MM actually being taken out of a race by what was rather more than a gesture, and similar patterns of behaviour towards all previous significant Rossi rivals, several of whom were also guilty of transgressing unwritten laws, on at least one occasion by being taken out by Rossi and on 2 other occasions narrowly avoiding being taken out, after errors by Rossi on 2 of those occasions and after a deliberate dirty move by him at Jerez 2005 on another.
 
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michaelm said:
As I have said, he was an interested party, in terms of at least 3 points in a tight title race, and has had the title he won fairly on the track discredited by Valentino and his fans since on the basis of an impossible conspiracy theory, to which we both know is to what the booing really pertains, and has had life made so unpleasant for him at the team for whom he won their last championship and their previous two most recent championships that he is leaving.

To pretend that this is all related to a single gesture, for which he apologised anyway (needlessly imo if not yours) and that that gesture somehow justified all else falls rather short of your usual standard of debate. What about MM actually being taken out of a race by what was rather more than a gesture, and similar patterns of behaviour towards all previous significant Rossi rivals, several of whom were also guilty of transgressing unwritten laws, on at least one occasion by being taken out by Rossi and on 2 other occasions narrowly avoiding being taken out, after errors by Rossi on 2 occasions and a deliberate dirty move by him at Jerez 2005 on another.
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Why should he care what VR & his fans think about his championship? They can't take away his championship. If it gets to him he needs to grow thicker skin.

Obviously some fans don't care about his apology and if they're VR fans they probably never cared much for JL to begin with. That's 100% normal, fans support their fav rider. JL getting involved with the Sepang incident simply made fans that already didn't support him start to boo him.

What about MM? I don't really care, he went toe to toe with Rossi throwing hard block passes on each other at the start of a race until Rossi lost his cool and ran him wide. ... with the bull, you get the horns. I grew up playing and watching sports and I know many top athletes are ......... Jordan punched his teammate Steve Kerr in the face during practice. Strong competitive drive + emotions building up and sometimes it spills over. They're human.
 
TBH, Lorenzo showing his thumbs down is merely a reaction, becoz moments before stepping into the podium, he saw the Marquez crash in the TV with Rossi. He said some words and directly went and had a chat with Pedrosa, who has decides to stay neutral in this case. Jumkie, Lorenzo seeing these in TV screen was not part of the feed,atleast not in my country. Only after seeing the documentary, I can understand lorenzo behaviour, as more of a disgust towards another rider, who has caused the crash. I don't think the championship points advantage would have entered lorenzo's mind at tat time at all.

My understanding of the incident:

1. In Parc ferme, his team informed him about the incident, without exact specifics.
2. He is extremely calm till he sees the incident in TV just before the incident along with Rossi.
3. He uttered few words in the moment of heat.
4. Behind the podium, saw VR46 telling pedrosa tat MM used hard braking just like Philip Island.
5. With disgust, he went to podium and showed thumbs down gesture.

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moto vudu said:
Lorenzo wasn't standing for anything but himself. He wanted Rossi DQ'd because he wasn't certain he could win at Valencia. Had nothing to do with danger on track, he was giving a thumbs down before he had even watched the incident to know what even happened. Doesn't matter what you nor I feel about it, if others want to boo him over it they can and will. Either way, Rossi isn't to blame for that.
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How do you know Lorenzo hadn't viewed the incident? His team would have shown him what was up straight away. Being all pertinent to the results of that race and of the coming race meet.
 
Barbedwirebikerr said:
How do you know Lorenzo hadn't viewed the incident? His team would have shown him what was up straight away. Being all pertinent to the results of that race and of the coming race meet.
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Even if he did view it, the incident was between MM and VR. He could've stayed neutral but he didn't so now he gets some boos. Not that big of a deal to me.
 
moto vudu said:
Lorenzo wasn't standing for anything but himself. He wanted Rossi DQ'd because he wasn't certain he could win at Valencia. Had nothing to do with danger on track, he was giving a thumbs down before he had even watched the incident to know what even happened. Doesn't matter what you nor I feel about it, if others want to boo him over it they can and will. Either way, Rossi isn't to blame for that.
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........ you ....... What rossi did was disgusting. Lorenzo expressed that rightfully so. He would look piss weak if he had not.
The only real problem is the boppers are just so pissweak to realise what ......... they look booing Lorenzo and such fans are embarassing to any endeavour.
 
Jumkie said:
Daniboy, something about you is amusing. I think we'd have fun getting drunk. If our paths ever cross at Circuit of Wales, we will definitely cue up a few pints.
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Keep dreaming Jums, COW won't happen.

paparazzo said:
Surprise surprise, yet another thread that is suppose to be discussing today race derailed and turned into beatdeadhorseforever.com by you 2 Aspergoids.

Nobody gives a .... what you 2 .......s think. Wall of text and 220,000 post doesn't make you credible, just makes you look like schizoids. Rossi's wins, NINE championships, points, and stats are not going away no matter how hard you try and portray him as murderer. So funny. Nobody gives a .... what you think. Stop freakin derailing every thread! I suggest you both go for mental assessment to deal with your hate and anger towards a rider who doesn't know or care you exist.
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Post reported, not once have I see "Those 2" resort to personal insults, so was that really necessary?
 
moto vudu said:
Why should he care what VR & his fans think about his championship? They can't take away his championship. If it gets to him he needs to grow thicker skin.

Obviously some fans don't care about his apology and if they're VR fans they probably never cared much for JL to begin with. That's 100% normal, fans support their fav rider. JL getting involved with the Sepang incident simply made fans that already didn't support him start to boo him.

What about MM? I don't really care, he went toe to toe with Rossi throwing hard block passes on each other at the start of a race until Rossi lost his cool and ran him wide. ... with the bull, you get the horns. I grew up playing and watching sports and I know many top athletes are ......... Jordan punched his teammate Steve Kerr in the face during practice. Strong competitive drive + emotions building up and sometimes it spills over. They're human.
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Amusing and somewhat dismaying to see a fan of the sport of your intelligence go this far down the track (so to speak) attempting to justify the unjustifiable.

We aren't talking soccer/futball or NBA basketball (a sport I follow and concerning which I am reasonably well informed particularly in regard to Steve Kerr). As Ernest Hemingway famously said, "there are only 3 sports, bullfighting, motor racing and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games".

JL and several previous riders who have incurred the wrath of Rossi's infantile fans have remarked that they are actually risking their lives out there; sure that is their choice, but I find them being booed by petty minded glory hunting fans with little or no knowledge of the sport objectionable, as they do, and imo it reduces the sport to a Roman circus as I said.

What sort of macho nonsense is "... with the bull, you get the horns"? It isn't and can't be open slather in a gp bike race, and we have seen multiple examples of VR not being so keen on being treated as he has treated others, Sepang 2015 prominent among them, and also of generally applicable rules somehow not applying to him.
 
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I enjoyed the race, the two yams were on rails.

The booing is a disgrace, and agree that it has no place in this sport. The only way it will stop is if Rossi says so, but he has yet to do so, which is a sad.

Mugello will be worst still. The booing just seems to motivate Lorenzo and Marquez more.
 
moto vudu said:
Lorenzo wasn't standing for anything but himself. He wanted Rossi DQ'd because he wasn't certain he could win at Valencia. Had nothing to do with danger on track, he was giving a thumbs down before he had even watched the incident to know what even happened. Doesn't matter what you nor I feel about it, if others want to boo him over it they can and will. Either way, Rossi isn't to blame for that.
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No he didn't. I think you will find he watched the incident before going on the podium. Check your facts
 
moto vudu said:
Lorenzo wasn't standing for anything but himself. He wanted Rossi DQ'd because he wasn't certain he could win at Valencia. .....
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True, and proved by the fact that afterwards, while waiting for Valencia, Lorenzo filed his own personal file against Rossi with the Court of Arbitration for Sports, to which Rossi had appealed.

Such a move was completely uncalled for (in fact the Court rejected the paper as it was presented) and explainable only with his worry over losing the championship at Valencia. This, more than the thumbs down which could be explained as an impulsive gesture, is what I disliked about Lorenzo's position on the Sepang episode.

He affirmed he was 100% sure of winning the title at Valencia, but his worried attempt to influence the verdict of the Court -- which wasn't even necessary because Rossi's case appeared completely hopeless -- proves otherwise.
 

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