MotoGP: 2016 Round 05 - Monster Energy Grand Prix de France (SPOILERS)

Keshav · May 8, 2016

steeeeeve said:
guys on this site seem to want rossi to fix it. no?

Are you saying it would not behoove him to do so?

feros · May 8, 2016

steeeeeve said:
If Jlo wants to stop getting booed maybe he should get down on his knees and beg for forgiveness for the thumbs down, zip the lip, and all his other crap instead of waiting for Rossi to try to fix it. It's not Rossi who did that stuff. It's Jlo himself and he keeps egging it on. (no. not by beating rossi, but by the multiple zip the lip stuff).
He gave a little "it was wrong" but that obviously wasn't enough.

nomad said:
JLo is a cock. Simple. Its been documented that he is basically not a nice person, and at one point, had to hire someone to make him more likeable. Says it all really.

i dont mind his cocky attitude that much really and some people are uncomfortable doing press and this kinda stuff so nothing wrong with hiring someone to help you get out of those things safe!

booing started before the podium and thumb down gesture,right?. hhmm, always thought people were booing them cuz they actually believed rossi's theories.

danski · May 8, 2016

Jumkie said:
The PERVERSION of equity, justice, decency, and perspective continues.

You guys following Rossi's lead to villainize yet another rider is not only typical but part of an infamous tradition. It's not a coincidence the most hated men in MotoGP are the guys Rossi has pointed out to be hated. The Yellow Hordes, in true cult fashion are subject to such eerie mind control. Lorenzo bad!

But moreover, the perversion of fairness is quite fascinating. For those of you justifying your hate for Lorenzo, consider Lorenzo was rightful giving Rossi the thumbs down on a podium Rossi had no business being on. Lorenzo's expression of disapproval was warranted! Why do I use the word 'perversion'? Because you guys target one of the few men who publicly expressed the appropriate response to a man who had just deliberately crashed out a fellow competitor. That is something all you guys should disapprove of and applaud Lorenzo for having the courage to express it publicly! For those of you who think Lorenzo had nothing to do with it, your perversion of perspective has blinded you to the fact Lorenzo has everything to do with it by virtue of lining up on the grid next to a man who used violence to eliminate a fellow competitor--Lorenzo is an interval member of that fraternity! In fact he is the current face of it by virtue of being the Champion. It's why there are 'safety meetings' with multiple riders, because they are ALL invested.

The thumbs down was an appropriate response! And frankly, you guys are booing the wrong person. But your perversion of what is fair-minded is so upside down irrational that the perpetrator has become the victim! Exactly like the so called 'lap of honor' which was quite the contrary! If anything it was a lap of DISHONOR, like a convicted criminal serving out his sentence. Why was he in that position? How is this significant point being lost?
The fact Rossi cruised around in 4th was because of his dishonorable meltdown where he took matters in his own hand, judge, jury, executioner to a crime that only existed in his head! His response was a violent act. You guys with your perverse 'indignation' over the thumbs down gesture don't realize that is appropriate towards a man who had just disregarded all the principles of fair play. He put a contestant on the ground on a hot track. (Oh I know you guys think Marquez crashed himself out, he must had appeared on the dirty edge of the track magically.)

The fascinating aspect of it is that you guys express a sense of justice, pointing out how undignified was the thumbs down gesture. It is tantamount to you seeing a bully push an innocent person onto the street with incoming traffic. A fellow spectator on the sidewalk sees what the bully has done and flips him the middle finger, and you guys are going ballistic with the spectator for being undignified?

Yet this is exactly what you're doing! Oh, Lorenzo is the worst person on earth for flipping the finger to a bully who just pushed a guy onto incoming traffic. Uhm, no indignation for the bully? What the .... is going on in that head that this would remotely seem right to you guys?

Oh, but you guys are convinced the injured party is Rossi because he said he was "disrespected" by Lorenzo. Wait wait, he gave Rossi the thumbs down because he had just deliberately crashed out a fellow rider (of which Lorenzo is invested) at the same venue many of you guys shed crocodile tears for Rossi's friend? In what ....... universe does this remotely make sense?

Rossi not only deserves the thumbs down, he deserves the getting the middle finger, and told to .... off for crashing out a fellow competitor. What he deserved most was a 6 month ban, at very minimum. But the perversion is he us cheered and loved. He's done nothing wrong. Only the men on the grid with the courage to point out what a ...... thing Rossi did are the bad guys. No wonder there are no "journalists" or paddock members to call Rossi out, they're all to scared of the perverted Yellow Hordes. Like all real Emporers, they are immune from human decency. They can put humans in harms way and be loved for it.

Content Warning: Look ....... (.)(.)

Without wanting to go into the whole thing again -beatingadeadhorse.com , this forum is THE only place where people insist that the Sepang thing was an act of violence, IT WAS NOT!! Enough said. You and others on here have an unreal hatred for one of the best people to race in GP ever conspiracy theories, cheating etc etc.
Why not just enjoy the sport? Seriously!

Jumkie · May 8, 2016

povol said:
The tires are what they are and everybody is riding them. I think without Marquez, Honda would be sitting here today with zero wins and languishing in points..Pedrosa being 4th in points is VERY misleading, he is about 7th in raw performance. The Honda is a turd that does nothing well compared to the Ducati and Yamaha.They should be embarrassed .

The tires have caused major problems for riders, therefore it's rather naive to believe there are not winners and losers in terms of tire performance. Pedrosa has so far been the most adversely effected, and he has said as much. The peculiarities of the Michelin being brought to the venues are inconsistent and if it has effected Pedrosa, it also means it has presented Marquez with a challenge. All the top riders have had DNFs, so no it is NOT a unique problem for HONDA.

Today Marquez was doing fine, he looked on course to fight for a podium. It's unreasonable to think he is going to be fighting for the win every race. The podium was as good as his bike, set up, rider, etc. Not sure why you are singling out the RCV. The two Ducatis also crashed on unforced errors. Why isn't the Ducati a "turd" then by this logic? Btw, not sure where you get this idea Ducati is better than Honda.

The common denominator in crashes for the Yamaha, Ducati, Honda (and Suzuki if you count ARG) is the tire! The margin for error is a razor. When you got all the finishers scoring points today because of so many front end crashes, my first thought is not: hey that RCV is a turd. Also, consider there is no telling how that RCV would have behaved in the latter stages. Think about the ebb and flow for Marquez over a race distance. There is a good chance Marquez would have finished on the podium. Also, consider Marquez is purposefully riding prudently, which I think he was doing today, but that Michelin is a liability. Combined with the peculiarities (strength /weaknesses) of the RCV, no doubt it has presented a real challenge.

feros · May 8, 2016

#22 said:
Lorenzo apologies for the thumbs down thing. Rossi has not apologised for a single thing his actions have caused. And to say he cannot fix it, again I disagree. His 'Fans' wanted Iannone's head on a stick after PI last year until Rossi told them not to.

for AI he basically came out and said "he did nothing wrong idiots, cool it", in this case he has to say "they did nothing wrong" which he will NEVER do.

Deefer Dogg · May 8, 2016

Daniboy said:
Why not just enjoy the sport? Seriously!

I'd love to be able to just enjoy the sport without the hatred for any of the riders and all the other ........ that's going on just now. Unfortuantely with the cheering of crashing riders and such like, it's taken a bit of enjoyment out of motogp just now.

steeeeeve · May 8, 2016

Jumkie said:
The PERVERSION of equity, justice, decency, and perspective continues.

You guys following Rossi's lead to villainize yet another rider is not only typical but part of an infamous tradition. It's not a coincidence the most hated men in MotoGP are the guys Rossi has pointed out to be hated. The Yellow Hordes, in true cult fashion are subject to such eerie mind control. Lorenzo bad!

But moreover, the perversion of fairness is quite fascinating. For those of you justifying your hate for Lorenzo, consider Lorenzo was rightful giving Rossi the thumbs down on a podium Rossi had no business being on. Lorenzo's expression of disapproval was warranted! Why do I use the word 'perversion'? Because you guys target one of the few men who publicly expressed the appropriate response to a man who had just deliberately crashed out a fellow competitor. That is something all you guys should disapprove of and applaud Lorenzo for having the courage to express it publicly! For those of you who think Lorenzo had nothing to do with it, your perversion of perspective has blinded you to the fact Lorenzo has everything to do with it by virtue of lining up on the grid next to a man who used violence to eliminate a fellow competitor--Lorenzo is an interval member of that fraternity! In fact he is the current face of it by virtue of being the Champion. It's why there are 'safety meetings' with multiple riders, because they are ALL invested.

The thumbs down was an appropriate response! And frankly, you guys are booing the wrong person. But your perversion of what is fair-minded is so upside down irrational that the perpetrator has become the victim! Exactly like the so called 'lap of honor' which was quite the contrary! If anything it was a lap of DISHONOR, like a convicted criminal serving out his sentence. Why was he in that position? How is this significant point being lost?
The fact Rossi cruised around in 4th was because of his dishonorable meltdown where he took matters in his own hand, judge, jury, executioner to a crime that only existed in his head! His response was a violent act. You guys with your perverse 'indignation' over the thumbs down gesture don't realize that is appropriate towards a man who had just disregarded all the principles of fair play. He put a contestant on the ground on a hot track. (Oh I know you guys think Marquez crashed himself out, he must had appeared on the dirty edge of the track magically.)

The fascinating aspect of it is that you guys express a sense of justice, pointing out how undignified was the thumbs down gesture. It is tantamount to you seeing a bully push an innocent person onto the street with incoming traffic. A fellow spectator on the sidewalk sees what the bully has done and flips him the middle finger, and you guys are going ballistic with the spectator for being undignified?

Yet this is exactly what you're doing! Oh, Lorenzo is the worst person on earth for flipping the finger to a bully who just pushed a guy onto incoming traffic. Uhm, no indignation for the bully? What the .... is going on in that head that this would remotely seem right to you guys?

Oh, but you guys are convinced the injured party is Rossi because he said he was "disrespected" by Lorenzo. Wait wait, he gave Rossi the thumbs down because he had just deliberately crashed out a fellow rider (of which Lorenzo is invested) at the same venue many of you guys shed crocodile tears for Rossi's friend? In what ....... universe does this remotely make sense?

Rossi not only deserves the thumbs down, he deserves the getting the middle finger, and told to .... off for crashing out a fellow competitor. What he deserved most was a 6 month ban, at very minimum. But the perversion is he us cheered and loved. He's done nothing wrong. Only the men on the grid with the courage to point out what a ...... thing Rossi did are the bad guys. No wonder there are no "journalists" or paddock members to call Rossi out, they're all to scared of the perverted Yellow Hordes. Like all real Emporers, they are immune from human decency. They can put humans in harms way and be loved for it.

Content Warning: Look ....... (.)(.)

This horse has been beaten into a bloody ball of unrecognizible mass of blood and hair. Can't see arguing it anymore. And I cant take your opinion on gospel. I disagree with your take. I find it to be a distorded view hyperbolized but raw hatred.
But cheers.

Jumkie · May 8, 2016

Daniboy said:
Without wanting to go into the whole thing again -beatingadeadhorse.com , this forum is THE only place where people insist that the Sepang thing was an act of violence, IT WAS NOT!! Enough said. You and others on here have an unreal hatred for one of the best people to race in GP ever conspiracy theories, cheating etc etc.
Why not just enjoy the sport? Seriously!

Rossi used his machine as a weapon to deliberately crash out a rider, the attack was violence. He looked over at his target, made deliberate control inputs to his machine both position and acceleration to put a fellow competitor in harms way. In racing this can be literally deadly! There is no debate except the perversion of the brain to insist that it wasn't dangerous, or Marquez crashed himself out (as insane as that is) or that it was justified (perhaps the most insane position).

You probably cheer for athletes that have used dubious means to get ahead. Nothing about Rossi’s undeserved "accomplishments" beyond that point are legitimate. That is why I refuse to recognize any wins or podiums or any points he is gifted, he doesn't belong racing as much as other athletes are rightfully banned when they commit a transgressions so egregious as to be suspended.

I'm sure you are the type of person who would have been cheering for Tonya Harding after her attack, after all her twirling was impressive. You're part of a culture of spectators that doesn't account for a competitor's character, or their behavior in competition, as long as they have "success" on the field all is good. Though frankly I don't even believe that about you to be honest, just like those here expressing their indignation for Lorenzo who correctly expressed disapproval for an attack perpetrated on a fellow. I'm sure you walk on by when a girl is getting slapped around by her boyfriend. Thumbs up to that guy, right? In the NFL we had a guy torturing dogs. (Oh but like you, I'm sure you'll split hairs and call it "fighting dogs" (rationalization of reality is a powerful tool). But he was a good quarter back, a fantastic athletes, surely his performance on the field should be admired! So he found his way back in the league. At least this guy did what his PR handlers told him to, apologized for it, all was back ok. Rossi has yet to express any responsibility, because like you, he doesn't believe he did anything wrong.

Do you ride a bike Daniboy? I'll tell you like I told another guy who said the same thing as you, believing that Rossi didn't attack Marquez violently. Let's go out on a track day, you pass me I'll pass you cleanly a the few laps, then and some point of my choosing I'll take you to the edge of the dirty track, using my controls to position my bike to block you until 'you' lose control from my deliberate attempt at confusing you. Then when you go down (hopefully nobody behind us fixates on you on the ground and careens into you spine) you can tell me what I did was not violence. Deal? I'll provide you with the bike, you don't have to pay for any damages to it. When can you fly over?

Jumkie · May 8, 2016

Deefer Dogg said:
I'd love to be able to just enjoy the sport without the hatred for any of the riders and all the other ........ that's going on just now. Unfortuantely with the cheering of crashing riders and such like, it's taken a bit of enjoyment out of motogp just now.

If you were to tally in magnitude the hate for riders in two columns, on one side Lorenzo on the other Rossi, which would have a greater sum?

The .... about 'the latest episode' (if fact there are multiple episodes is telling) of rider hate is that it started in the press conference at Sepang when Rossi made up some ........ accusation to focus everyone's hate towards Marquez.

Was there open hate being express before Sepang?!

Then Rossi proceeded in taking violent action on that accusation. Isn't it amazing his fans would get on here and express their indignation for Lorenzo? The guy who stood up to the violent bully. He is the bad guy. The logic would be fascinating if it logical, though let's face it, that kind of reasoning is scary. It drives people to do crazy .... because it's devoid of logic, it's irrational. Fine if it were just in the mind. But these people act on it.

danski · May 8, 2016

Jumkie said:
Rossi used his machine as a weapon to deliberately crash out a rider, the attack was violence. He looked over at his target, made deliberate control inputs to his machine both position and acceleration to put a fellow competitor in harms way. In racing this can be literally deadly! There is no debate except the perversion of the brain to insist that it wasn't dangerous, or Marquez crashed himself out (as insane as that is) or that it was justified (perhaps the most insane position).

You probably cheer for athletes that have used dubious means to get ahead. Nothing about Rossi’s undeserved "accomplishments" beyond that point are legitimate. That is why I refuse to recognize any wins or podiums or any points he is gifted, he doesn't belong racing as much as other athletes are rightfully banned when they commit a transgressions so egregious as to be suspended.

I'm sure you are the type of person who would have been cheering for Tonya Harding after her attack, after all her twirling was impressive. You're part of a culture of spectators that doesn't account for a competitor's character, or their behavior in competition, as long as they have "success" on the field all is good. Though frankly I don't even believe that about you to be honest, just like those here expressing their indignation for Lorenzo who correctly expressed disapproval for an attack perpetrated on a fellow. I'm sure you walk on by when a girl is getting slapped around by her boyfriend. Thumbs up to that guy, right? In the NFL we had a guy torturing dogs. (Oh but like you, I'm sure you'll split hairs and call it "fighting dogs" (rationalization of reality is a powerful tool). But he was a good quarter back, a fantastic athletes, surely his performance on the field should be admired! So he found his way back in the league. At least this guy did what his PR handlers told him to, apologized for it, all was back ok. Rossi has yet to express any responsibility, because like you, he doesn't believe he did anything wrong.

Do you ride a bike Daniboy? I'll tell you like I told another guy who said the same thing as you, believing that Rossi didn't attack Marquez violently. Let's go out on a track day, you pass me I'll pass you cleanly a the few laps, then and some point of my choosing I'll take you to the edge of the dirty track, using my controls to position my bike to block you until 'you' lose control from my deliberate attempt at confusing you. Then when you go down (hopefully nobody behind us fixates on you on the ground and careens into you spine) you can tell me what I did was not violence. Deal? I'll provide you with the bike, you don't have to pay for any damages to it. When can you fly over?

You're talking about PROFESSIONAL riders with reaction speeds miles better than ours. Add to that I could see it as well as you, yet even as the event happened, I could see a way out for MM . Fact is you will always believe your own gospel. I will always believe mine. We'll meet in the middle sometimes no doubt.

danski · May 8, 2016

PS Jums incase you missed it... I am British and I did call the deliberate kick on Zola Budd cheating, which it was!

Jumkie · May 8, 2016

Daniboy said:
You're talking about PROFESSIONAL riders with reaction speeds miles better than ours. Add to that I could see it as well as you, yet even as the event happened, I could see a way out for MM . Fact is you will always believe your own gospel. I will always believe mine. We'll meet in the middle sometimes no doubt.

Ah yes, the victim didn’t escape the perpetrator hard enough.

How do you plead?

Not guilty your honor.

But you're caught on multiple cameras committing the crime.

But your honor, he didn't get out of my deliberate attempt to confuse him good enough, it's his fault.

Oh, in that case not guilty. You're free to go.

(I was wrong, this is the most insane rationalization. )

Daniboy, something about you is amusing. I think we'd have fun getting drunk. If our paths ever cross at Circuit of Wales, we will definitely cue up a few pints.

JPSLotus · May 8, 2016

It's akin to blaming rape victims for being raped.

"Ah well you shouldn't have worn a short skirt, you were just asking for something to happen."

Or...

"Why didn't you just run away?"

paparazzo · May 8, 2016

Jumkie said:
Ah yes, the victim didn’t escape the perpetrator hard enough.

How do you plead?

Not guilty your honor.

But you're caught on multiple cameras committing the crime.

But your honor, he didn't get out of my deliberate attempt to confuse him good enough, it's his fault.

Oh, in that case not guilty. You're free to go.

(I was wrong, this is the most insane rationalization. )

Daniboy, something about you is amusing. I think we'd have fun getting drunk. If our paths ever cross at Circuit of Wales, we will definitely cue up a few pints.

JPSLotus said:
It's akin to blaming rape victims for being raped.

"Ah well you shouldn't have worn a short skirt, you were just asking for something to happen."

Or...

"Why didn't you just run away?"

Surprise surprise, yet another thread that is suppose to be discussing today race derailed and turned into beatdeadhorseforever.com by you 2 Aspergoids.

Nobody gives a .... what you 2 .......s think. Wall of text and 220,000 post doesn't make you credible, just makes you look like schizoids. Rossi's wins, NINE championships, points, and stats are not going away no matter how hard you try and portray him as murderer. So funny. Nobody gives a .... what you think. Stop freakin derailing every thread! I suggest you both go for mental assessment to deal with your hate and anger towards a rider who doesn't know or care you exist.

Jumkie · May 8, 2016

JPSLotus said:
"Why didn't you just run away?"

The .... is Marc did try to run away. Rossi kept manipulating the controls and position of his bike. Of course if you slow it down to 1/millionth of the actual speed, it looks like Marc had hours to think about it. Except of course he and exactly everyone around the world was first confused, then collectively shocked that Rossi would do this overt attempt to crash out a competitor. The commentators were speechless.

These fools act like what Rossi did was commonplace. Oh yeah, Marc just didnt try hard enough to get away from the guy suddenly losing his mind. Question for anybody: when was the last time we saw someone do something similar to Rossi in MotoGP/500s? Name year, riders involved.

Content Warning: Look ....... (.)(.)

michaelm · May 8, 2016

Daniboy said:
Without wanting to go into the whole thing again -beatingadeadhorse.com , this forum is THE only place where people insist that the Sepang thing was an act of violence, IT WAS NOT!! Enough said. You and others on here have an unreal hatred for one of the best people to race in GP ever conspiracy theories, cheating etc etc.
Why not just enjoy the sport? Seriously!

We can't because the sport we have loved and followed for decades has been infested by a cult, and great riders are actually vilified rather than recognised for winning championships, and even for winning races, and continue to be booed for doing so in this sport where their lives are always at risk.

There was a rather ludicrous conspiracy theory last year, voiced by a master media manipulator who fully knew his power, against which 5 or 10 posters on an obscure internet forum is rather insignificant.

Why doesn't Valentino just "enjoy the sport"?, particularly since he publicly differentiated himself from JL and Pedrosa in 2014 on the basis that he was happy to be out there still riding competitively while they were could not handle not being able to win against MM in that year of his total dominance. He has 9 titles and rode extremely creditably last year up until Sepang. He (and his fans) could try accepting that he was still amazingly good last year at age 36 but just not quite good enough.

moto vudu · May 8, 2016

michaelm said:
We can't because the sport we have loved and followed for decades has been infested by a cult, and great riders are actually vilified rather than recognised for winning championships, and even for winning races, and continue to be booed for doing so in this sport where their lives are always at risk.

There was a rather ludicrous conspiracy theory last year, voiced by a master media manipulator who fully knew his power, against which 5 or 10 posters on an obscure internet forum is rather insignificant.

Why doesn't Valentino just "enjoy the sport"?, particularly since he publicly differentiated himself from JL and Pedrosa in 2014 on the basis that he was happy to be out there still riding competitively while they were could not handle not being able to win against MM in that year of his total dominance. He has 9 titles and rode extremely creditably last year up until Sepang. He (and his fans) could try accepting that he was still amazingly good last year at age 36 but just not quite good enough.

The majority of fans are not booing any riders. If you want to enjoy the sport, don't let a few bad apples ruin it for you. There's bad fans in EVERY sport, so unless you don't want to watch/follow anything again, you'll have to learn to ignore the idiot fans. Valentino still looks like he is enjoying sport (so does JL and MM).

michaelm · May 8, 2016

paparazzo said:
He is being booed because he acted like a complete ....... (kinda like you) after Sepang and attacked Rossi for an incident he wasn't even involve in. He also has the personality of a drone. Why is Pedrosa not booed? Why is Vinales not booed? Lorenzo was a dick after Sepang, this is why he's booed, and fans who pay good money can boo, cheer and support whoever they want. GTFO of here with your ........ all the time.

Like your pal, he was rather desirous of winning a world championship, and VR in all likelihood gained a minimum of 3 points on him by an illegal act, and as Jumkie says later he as a fellow competitor is entitled to an opinion in regard to such a move that took out a fellow competitor. I am with Jumkie, I don't think he even should have apologised.

The " thumbs down" was in the tradition of the Roman circus you seem to wish the sport to become in any case.

michaelm · May 8, 2016

nomad said:
JLo is a cock. Simple. Its been documented that he is basically not a nice person, and at one point, had to hire someone to make him more likeable. Says it all really.

Are you a Justin Bieber fan as well?

This is the sport of Hailwood, Roberts, Rainey, Lawson and Doohan. Toughness rather trumps "niceness", and Lorenzo has shown himself to be in that tradition, coming back from several concussions in 2008 in his rookie year to later win 3 championships, riding with 2 broken ankles in that year, and amazingly riding with a 2 day old fractured and plated clavicle at Assen 2013, among other things.

If he is not "nice" enough for you, find another pastime to follow. As above, Justin Bieber has a fan base with whom you should feel right at home.

JPSLotus · May 8, 2016

Jumkie said:
The .... is Marc did try to run away. Rossi kept manipulating the controls and position of his bike. Of course if you slow it down to 1/millionth of the actual speed, it looks like Marc had hours to think about it. Except of course he and exactly everyone around the world was first confused, then collectively shocked that Rossi would do this overt attempt to crash out a competitor. The commentators were speechless.

These fools act like what Rossi did was commonplace. Oh yeah, Marc just didnt try hard enough to get away from the guy suddenly losing his mind. Question for anybody: when was the last time we saw someone do something similar to Rossi in MotoGP/500s? Name year, riders involved.

Content Warning: Look ....... (.)(.)

Nothing like the Sepang move was ever attempted in premier class GP motorcycle racing to my knowledge. I'm sure if anyone would know, Arrab would. There's been dirty incidents yes, but to blatantly run a rider wide and then crash him out is unheard of.

Maybe instead of seeing MM on the Repsol Honda, people should start trying to imagine how they would react if it was their brother on the bike when this happened.

Seriously fellas, if it was a family member racing in MotoGP, and you watched that incident at Sepang unfold, and then saw them go down, I would wager all of you who trivialize the incident would be outraged, and be calling for a half year/year ban for Rossi. Anyone who says they wouldn't, I would call a liar.

MotoGP: 2016 Round 05 - Monster Energy Grand Prix de France (SPOILERS)

Help Support MotoGP Forum:

Keshav

feros

danski

Jumkie

feros

Deefer Dogg

steeeeeve

Jumkie

Jumkie

danski

danski

Jumkie

JPSLotus

paparazzo

Jumkie

michaelm

moto vudu

michaelm

michaelm

JPSLotus

Similar threads

Recent Discussions

Recent Discussions