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Lorenzo actually said it in his parc ferme interview, was along the lines of ' if I hadn't had a spinning tyre I could have won by a large margin ' comments like that hardly contribute positive feelings towards his popularity.
 
What I saw yesterday was a masterclass by an expert in his craft. Not one single race lap over 1:34 and all within 3/10 of each other and he made everyone else look positively ordinary, just as Rossi did the previous round in Jerez. While it made the racing less exciting, it was still a joy to watch both races that showed a man at one with his machine.

Popularity is irrelevant in that aspect.
 
CharlieParker said:
Supporting a specific rider, with all that it can imply - booing, hating, wanting others to fail etc -, is not a way to bash a sport, but rather a way to come to love it. You learn to love football as a kid through the terrible suffering it gives you the idea that your hometown team might lose, not through a generic "love of the game".
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Ridiculous.
 
Daniboy said:
Lorenzo actually said it in his parc ferme interview, was along the lines of ' if I hadn't had a spinning tyre I could have won by a large margin ' comments like that hardly contribute positive feelings towards his popularity.
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Except there seems to be this huge obsession with pointing out riders that don't act the way fans want them to. They think everyone should act like Rossi.

Again, if you are watching this sport for the racing, who gives a ....?

Incredible how a non-issue has become one because people need to sleep better at night thinking riders are likeable people. Jorge Lorenzo has won 3 premier class titles, taken dozens of poles, and dozens of race wins, all while being who he is. Do you think he gives a .... what you and everyone think of him since his approach is doing the most important thing, giving him success?

The modern GP fan lives under a cloud of delusion where they now believe personality is an important trait of the riders, and if the rider(s) do not have a personality they feel they can see as being likeable, that rider must be a bad person. As if this has a remote ....... thing to do with what goes on, on track? It doesn't. It never did. And it never ....... will.
 
#22 said:
What I saw yesterday was a masterclass by an expert in his craft. Not one single race lap over 1:34 and all within 3/10 of each other and he made everyone else look positively ordinary, just as Rossi did the previous round in Jerez. While it made the racing less exciting, it was still a joy to watch both races that showed a man at one with his machine.
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It was an awesome display of consistency and skill....and yet terribly boring just like Rossi at Jerez....boring yet good for the championship...

I now wonder how long it is before MM and JLo have a falling out...as MM goes backward in points and JLo goes pulls away with more and more.....then the partnership will come to an end real fast....
 
I wouldnt agree. The only person who Lorenzo has 'fallen out' with is Rossi..the common denominator.

He has a perfectly amicable relationship with the only 2 other people who he has beaten, and in return have beaten him to a championship. That is Casey Stoner and Marc Marquez.

Interestingly though, Casey Stoner, Marc Marquez and Jorge Lorenzo all loathe Valentino Rossi, and coincidentally they are the only 3 riders to have beaten him to MotoGP titles.
 
#22 said:
Interestingly though, Casey Stoner, Marc Marquez and Jorge Lorenzo all loathe Valentino Rossi, and coincidentally they are the only 3 riders to have beaten him to MotoGP titles.
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Lets not forget Nicky ... he seems to have a good friendship with Rossi ...
 
I knew you'd say that. It's most likely because 1. He was never anywhere near Rossi after 2006 (i.e. not a consistent threat) and 2. They were team mates in 2011/12 and Rossi was the clear number 1.
 
J4rn0 said:
True, and proved by the fact that afterwards, while waiting for Valencia, Lorenzo filed his own personal file against Rossi with the Court of Arbitration for Sports, to which Rossi had appealed.

Such a move was completely uncalled for (in fact the Court rejected the paper as it was presented) and explainable only with his worry over losing the championship at Valencia. This, more than the thumbs down which could be explained as an impulsive gesture, is what I disliked about Lorenzo's position on the Sepang episode.

He affirmed he was 100% sure of winning the title at Valencia, but his worried attempt to influence the verdict of the Court -- which wasn't even necessary because Rossi's case appeared completely hopeless -- proves otherwise.
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Lorenzo had this 'right' to file given the fact he lines up next to dangerous Rossi.
As it was reported, a person with an interest can submit, something like:

"Amicus Curiae
Literally, friend of the court. A person with strong interest in or views on the subject matter of an action, but not a party to the action, may petition the court for permission to file a brief, ostensibly on behalf of a party but actually to suggest a rationale consistent with its own views."

Rossi's appeal to eliminate the light decision of a rear start was the most revealing of a man's character. But you and the boppers would have been ok had the court eliminated the sanction, claiming legality as moral. Well, Lorenzo also had the 'right' FACT! J4rn0, any rider on the grid could have submitted, Lorenzo was the only one because a rider who did what Rossi did should be disqualified. To paraphrase Stoner, 'anybody else does that and it would have been black flag, no questions asked.' Lorenzo actually said virtually the same thing, 'Rossi's name is too big in the sport' to explain why Rossi wasn't disqualified. In other words, Lorenzo was the only one with the balls in that paddock to stand up to the bully. And now is subject to the wrath of the perverted fans were all logic and decency is eclipsed by cult worship.
 
JPSLotus said:
Except there seems to be this huge obsession with pointing out riders that don't act the way fans want them to. They think everyone should act like Rossi.

Again, if you are watching this sport for the racing, who gives a ....?

Incredible how a non-issue has become one because people need to sleep better at night thinking riders are likeable people. Jorge Lorenzo has won 3 premier class titles, taken dozens of poles, and dozens of race wins, all while being who he is. Do you think he gives a .... what you and everyone think of him since his approach is doing the most important thing, giving him success?

The modern GP fan lives under a cloud of delusion where they now believe personality is an important trait of the riders, and if the rider(s) do not have a personality they feel they can see as being likeable, that rider must be a bad person. As if this has a remote ....... thing to do with what goes on, on track? It doesn't. It never did. And it never ....... will.
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How many times have you pointed out that VR doesn't act the way you want him to?
 
On a side note, as sad as it sounds, Iannone & Dovi need to get their .... together and at least grow one pair of balls in two. Other times there were some excuses, especially for Dovi, yesterday was just a complete failure and a disgrace from two riders who are giving aching proof of not being able to cope with any kind of pressure, falling like dominoes one after the other. If I was Dall'Igna I'd just tell them "don't worry babes, none of you two are riding with us next year", no matter if it was true or not. Good news are for Jorge, though. If he was riding the GP16 already, I think he'd have already won at least one race and be a very close second in the championship.
 
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Daniboy said:
How many times have you pointed out that VR doesn't act the way you want him to?
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What I call VR out is for engaging in behavior that has created a dangerous racing atmosphere, behavior that has created an negative environment in MotoGP, and for using his likeability factor to try and destroy other riders who he consider(ed) a threat to him.

Because JL makes a zipping the mouth gesture, gave a thumbs down, all in response to behavior that was directed at him, or dangerous riding by another competitor is hardly worthy of booing him.

If Rossi was just an out-and-out ...., I could care less so long as he isn't punting a rider off a bike, or using his fanbase to do his dirty work.
 
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michaelm said:
Amusing and somewhat dismaying to see a fan of the sport of your intelligence go this far down the track (so to speak) attempting to justify the unjustifiable.

We aren't talking soccer/futball or NBA basketball (a sport I follow and concerning which I am reasonably well informed particularly in regard to Steve Kerr). As Ernest Hemingway famously said, "there are only 3 sports, bullfighting, motor racing and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games".


JL and several previous riders who have incurred the wrath of Rossi's infantile fans have remarked that they are actually risking their lives out there; sure that is their choice, but I find them being booed by petty minded glory hunting fans with little or no knowledge of the sport objectionable, as they do, and imo it reduces the sport to a Roman circus as I said.

What sort of macho nonsense is "... with the bull, you get the horns"? It isn't and can't be open slather in a gp bike race, and we have seen multiple examples of VR not being so keen on being treated as he has treated others, Sepang 2015 prominent among them, and also of generally applicable rules somehow not applying to him.
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Bullfighting is not sport.Hemingway got that wrong.
 

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