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Anyone noticed that when they showed Hayden off track on lap 17, they had him on a Italian flag.
MotoGP: 2015 Round 16 - Pramac Australian Motorcycle Grand Prix (SPOILERS)
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Great race. One of the very best.
The two Yamahas going to win this championship lost their duels today against Honda and Ducati, two bikes with more horsepower (quite usable at this track) and with younger talents on them. Marquez, we all knew already what he can do -- and P.I. with its fast flow seemed to ease Honda's current problems; Iannone on the other hand can be seen as a surprise at this level but he has grown a lot this season, whereas Dovi seems to suffer his speed and now looks a little like the Pedrosa of Ducati. (But don't write Pedrosa off just yet, next year with Michelin he could be a man to beat...)
Rossi's situation is tight now. He has lost two crucial dogfights in three races, and again failed to qualify on the first row, -- his race could have been very different from there, as he was the fastest rider in the initial phase. Now he has to qualify well and possibly win at Sepang, but the same applies to Lorenzo, and today's spoilers could spoil their day again. Wow.
Bring it on!
The two Yamahas going to win this championship lost their duels today against Honda and Ducati, two bikes with more horsepower (quite usable at this track) and with younger talents on them. Marquez, we all knew already what he can do -- and P.I. with its fast flow seemed to ease Honda's current problems; Iannone on the other hand can be seen as a surprise at this level but he has grown a lot this season, whereas Dovi seems to suffer his speed and now looks a little like the Pedrosa of Ducati. (But don't write Pedrosa off just yet, next year with Michelin he could be a man to beat...)
Rossi's situation is tight now. He has lost two crucial dogfights in three races, and again failed to qualify on the first row, -- his race could have been very different from there, as he was the fastest rider in the initial phase. Now he has to qualify well and possibly win at Sepang, but the same applies to Lorenzo, and today's spoilers could spoil their day again. Wow.
Bring it on!
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i absolutely adore iannone, his attitude and his fighting spirit,but to all of those ppl that are saying this kid need better ride, they might be right but tbh one of the key reasons for his performance today was that ducati.
that overtake was phenomenal, you could imagine what rossi and MM were thinking, rosssi trying to close the gap and MM trying to cut but you could feel they were both like WTF!!! he was just good in that corner cuz i think he did the same thing at earlier stages of the race too(when rossi overtook MM and MM was fighting back but then all of a sudden he saw iannone giving him a nudge and pushing him back.)
this must be one of the most frustrating races for rossi in all his career, to put all that hard work during race and then comes the start and finish line, BAAMMM, he must felt like o fk, i gotta do it all over again.
congrats to lorenzo cuz i did not think he would end up on the podium.but he did very well, and he got the tactics right too, this time it worked cuz i think if he was involved in those battles between those three for that long he would be the one out of podium.(i was very disappointed with his attitude after Q2 but this just show how much that Q2 matters),
inmo this is gonna be the case in the last 2 races, grid position, if rossi wants this championship he has to start from the first line,that simple. its that part of a season that ppl are pushing too much and most of em are at the top of their game, it usually take him 2 corners to overtake crutchlow but now it takes him 2 laps, so go figure. you cant start from 7th or 8th and finish first anymore.
that overtake was phenomenal, you could imagine what rossi and MM were thinking, rosssi trying to close the gap and MM trying to cut but you could feel they were both like WTF!!! he was just good in that corner cuz i think he did the same thing at earlier stages of the race too(when rossi overtook MM and MM was fighting back but then all of a sudden he saw iannone giving him a nudge and pushing him back.)
this must be one of the most frustrating races for rossi in all his career, to put all that hard work during race and then comes the start and finish line, BAAMMM, he must felt like o fk, i gotta do it all over again.
congrats to lorenzo cuz i did not think he would end up on the podium.but he did very well, and he got the tactics right too, this time it worked cuz i think if he was involved in those battles between those three for that long he would be the one out of podium.(i was very disappointed with his attitude after Q2 but this just show how much that Q2 matters),
inmo this is gonna be the case in the last 2 races, grid position, if rossi wants this championship he has to start from the first line,that simple. its that part of a season that ppl are pushing too much and most of em are at the top of their game, it usually take him 2 corners to overtake crutchlow but now it takes him 2 laps, so go figure. you cant start from 7th or 8th and finish first anymore.
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Rossi must have been thinking '.... this is 2007 all over again!'
Great race yes, but without the insane top end of the Ducati afforded by extra fuel and engines it would have been a three horse.
Ianonne did ride very, very well but was lucky to not take out Rossi on at least 3-4 occasions.
What I did like was Rossi only blaming himself and his team for the poor result, when they had the speed to win, not bad luck or circumstances like his rival did last week.
And again for the second time this season he has been beaten in a scrap due to lack of speed on the straight and one in a million performances by riders who haven't really factored regularly at all. But as he has admitted, poor qualifying and he and his team not finding solutions quickly enough have been the problem
What is concerning for Rossis title hopes is his inability to win in the last half of the season, a distinct lack of outright pace which he had in many rounds earlier in the season is a big problem for him, can't wait for new tyres and fuel regs.
He needs to win Sepang, which is probably his best chance of the last half of the season.
Great race yes, but without the insane top end of the Ducati afforded by extra fuel and engines it would have been a three horse.
Ianonne did ride very, very well but was lucky to not take out Rossi on at least 3-4 occasions.
What I did like was Rossi only blaming himself and his team for the poor result, when they had the speed to win, not bad luck or circumstances like his rival did last week.
And again for the second time this season he has been beaten in a scrap due to lack of speed on the straight and one in a million performances by riders who haven't really factored regularly at all. But as he has admitted, poor qualifying and he and his team not finding solutions quickly enough have been the problem
What is concerning for Rossis title hopes is his inability to win in the last half of the season, a distinct lack of outright pace which he had in many rounds earlier in the season is a big problem for him, can't wait for new tyres and fuel regs.
He needs to win Sepang, which is probably his best chance of the last half of the season.
Indeed it was but MM had a Ducati(which in my opinion in it's current incarnation is the mechanical version of using performance enhancing drugs) to contend with and pull a second back on Lorenzo and pass him in less than a lap.
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I have been betting on Iannone since he was in Moto2, he is surely there to stay, and I think he should stick to Ducati. Anyway Honda will never give him a factory machine, unless they want to p1ss MM93 seriously, and Yamaha have other talented young riders in the pipeline for 2017.
His double pass looked amazing, kudos to him, but tbh without the superior power of the Ducati down that straight, he wouldn't have beaten Rossi today. Anyway that's racing and he fought his battle for himself, Rossi woud have done the same.
His double pass looked amazing, kudos to him, but tbh without the superior power of the Ducati down that straight, he wouldn't have beaten Rossi today. Anyway that's racing and he fought his battle for himself, Rossi woud have done the same.
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"What is concerning for Rossis title hopes is his inability to win in the last half of the season, a distinct lack of outright pace which he had in many rounds earlier in the season is a big problem for him"
didnt he won PI & misano last year?!! and he has the pace, he sets the fastet lap when he is caught between between 4 other ppl, and his speed is decent too, tbh i think it all comes down to that grid.
didnt he won PI & misano last year?!! and he has the pace, he sets the fastet lap when he is caught between between 4 other ppl, and his speed is decent too, tbh i think it all comes down to that grid.
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From Dave Emmet:
"The extra fuel and different tire allocation are subject to results obtained in dry conditions. If one of the factories succeeds in scoring either three podiums, two second place finishes, or a single win, then the fuel allowance will be cut from 24 liters to just 22 liters for that factory. If that factory scores three wins in the dry, then they lose the softer rear tire, and will have the hard and medium at each race, rather than the medium and soft.
The loss of the extra fuel is unlikely to make much of a difference. Ducati staff told us last year that they never used more than 22 liters per race during 2014 anyway. The loss of the soft tire will be a bigger blow, taking away the advantage they have especially during qualifying."
I do agree that Lorenzo rode flawlessly - but let's face it, the Honda is (at this late stage in the season) really sorted out, and MM is really back on his game. What's going on with Rossi... is anyone's guess. Some say "It's his championship to lose" but given Lorenzo's great riding and the loss of the one rain race because of the stupid helmet, I'd say Lorenzo has been the better rider this year. Baring a DNF for Lorenzo - a 10th championship by Rossi, is going to be won by a small margin, with Rossi struggling to the very end.
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To those interested, apparently there were 52 passing manouvers between the top 4 in the race
One person decided to sit and watch a replay, whilst counting - https://instagram.com/p/8-yoabRWrC/
One person decided to sit and watch a replay, whilst counting - https://instagram.com/p/8-yoabRWrC/
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????? - When has that ever stopped Marquez????
Anyway, I don't mind answering that.
In my opinion and from what I could see, the bike was largely sorted by Assen, but in comparison with the M1 which has clearly been more amenable all year, it is still perhaps a greater challenge to ride. Although Assen like Philip Island does flow, so maybe flattered to deceive somewhat.
It's clearly still a handful to get stopped, but bar Honda corner, and to a certain extent MG, given the wonderful flowing nature of Philip Island it really brings out the best in all machinery - always has, (bar the old zook which hated being on its side for long periods). It has none of those awkward stop start sections which earlier this year seemed to upset the RCV. I would still say that the m1 is the better package all round, but again this is subject to a myriad of variables particularly now that there's a gnats chuff separating the RCV and the M1.
Secondly - this is PI, a pure riders circuit...although you're always conferred an advantage on a factory bike - screw the machinery - today the best rider on the day won.
Took a while to get to this one. A day watching yesterday's Premiership matches, an two Rugby W.C. quarters to get through first.
Highlights...
1/ Miller calling Hodgson a ...... on the grid
2/ The rise of the mullet down under. You may well be onto something here Dubby. Although strictly speaking a Brit, Tai Woofinden, raised in Perth, appears on the grid sporting something straight out of a 1980s edition of 'Neighbours' -(speaking of which, also turns out Stefan (Paul Ramsey) Dennis who uncannily appeared seconds later, is a huge Moto GP fan. Then, enter the lab rat, Mr Squiggle himself tragic tonsorial tomfoolery. It seems that Gaz has devoted the last few months slavishly taking fashion advice off Jack Miller, who ultimately had the last laugh hacking it off prior to his home GP - how stupid do you feel now McCoy? Perhaps there's a new range of Miller Merchandise and it's stitched into a line of baseball caps that are the cutting edge of style 'out back' of the trailer park.
3/ The greatest move of the race, perhaps the season...Lorenzo under Marquez on the brakes, through The Hayshed - until...
4/ The maniac dispenses with Rossi and Marquez into MG in one fell swoop of a seagull - until...
5/ Final lap of the race, Marquez steals it from Lorenzo, again into MG. Superb.
6/ Moto 3 - FUUUCKK!!!
Screw the cathedral, that was desecrated years ago by the heathen developers. When I peg it at 185mph I want my ashes flown south and scattered down the Gardner straight to settle on Pyramid Rock amongst the penguin feaces and crested tern turd.
Please be happy for the Pacific Gull that perished...he went the way he would have wanted, decapitated by Joe's AGV. Just as it wouldn't be PI without a mullet here and there, it wouldn't be PI without some degree of avian annihilation!!!
(Talking of PI wildlife...GOEY!!!!)
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Possibly in the Spanish press and amongst some paddock fraternities. I just thought he rode a great race at Aragon and deserved some credit.
He's never been able to ride PI. I think a lot of that stems from the nasty accident on the 250 when he slid into the armco and broke both ankles.
Remember the year he tried to break away at the front on lap 1 and made it as far as the Southern loop? He chucked his title hopes away a few years back going for it and lost the front at Honda. Also, wasn't it here that his anti wheelie electronics failed on his launch control doing a practice start. Hopper's bemused reaction is gold.
EDIT: Sorry Gaz, hadn't read the entire thread, working through - replied immediately when I read Jum's post.
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Rossi brakes later than Lorenzo but Lorenzo brakes less and carries more speed through the corner. Even if the speed trap is well before the braking zone, Lorenzo's smoother style "spreads" his speed along the track more, expaining why he may clock consistently lower top speeds.
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J4, from my understanding (and memory) the top speed trap at PI is just after the tower so well before the braking zones for T1
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this might sound weird but can anybody clarify,
was watching the race again and 18 laps to go the gap between MM and lorenzo was 0.5s but 2 laps later the gap increased to 1.2s,coming through to mg corner,i think MM signals rossi(as if the gap is getting bigger and forget about overtaking and lets focus on catching him,and i think rossi saw it.(dunno maybe he was just shaking his left hand cuz of the injury))
did that just happened or am i imagining things!!!
was watching the race again and 18 laps to go the gap between MM and lorenzo was 0.5s but 2 laps later the gap increased to 1.2s,coming through to mg corner,i think MM signals rossi(as if the gap is getting bigger and forget about overtaking and lets focus on catching him,and i think rossi saw it.(dunno maybe he was just shaking his left hand cuz of the injury))
did that just happened or am i imagining things!!!
Cool.
That would be it but at the same time during the race JL was breaking the air more often than was Rossi who was behind others so for me, this also no doubt played a large part for that particular race.
Personally (and it is just me) I would so love to see corner speed comparisons around various corners on the track for different riders/bikes. I reckon something like that would be just as and if not more interesting that outright top speeds as to me, whilst Talpa is correct that the Ducati marched from Rossi, I also suspect that through Southern Loop, Stoners, and from Siberia to the Hayshed the Yamaha gobbled the Duke up through the corners.
Would just be interesting as it would allow one to see where the bikes and riders make time and lose time
Had heard about this moment when the super stable Honda was being Super Stable but now have found a GIF of Marquez in practice saving a super stable front end moment (low speed) - http://38.media.tumblr.com/375adff50b67655b0f0f7a639e2d475d/tumblr_nwcn6ygh6Q1tevgflo2_500.gif
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Except I would urge you to go back to 2013 and rewatch MM on the RCV then. The bike displayed many of the same characteristics as it did this year. It's his riding style. He always looks like he is dancing on the edge when he is riding hard. He has even stated that this is the ONLY way he can ride fast. I think what makes it easier to buy into all of the excuses of it being the bike is that since Dani decided he was going to disappear, it's hard to have any real comparison since his teammate outside of Motegi has been MIA for awhile. This was the first year MM had a ton of pressure right out of the gate, and I think he started looking for something that wasn't there with the bike in an effort to maintain gaps between him and the Yamaha's that no longer were possible.
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