MotoGP: 2015 Round 15 - Motul Grand Prix of Japan (SPOILERS)

nomad said:

WTF? I'm pretty sure they're all racing on the same circuit in the same conditions so luck got .... all to do with it

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It's more that the wet races have benefited VR more than anyone else on the grid. If you turn all of the wet races into dry races, you likely see him chasing after Lorenzo instead of Lorenzo chasing after him.

JPSLotus said:

It's more that the wet races have benefited VR more than anyone else on the grid. If you turn all of the wet races into dry races, you likely see him chasing after Lorenzo instead of Lorenzo chasing after him.

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Wish I was 9x champion lucky!!

MdubSTYLIE said:

Wish I was 9x champion lucky!!

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I know a few people like VR, in that while not everything goes right, more often than not it does.

It's a gift I think...or divine intervention.

Sheezus. The only rider to ever get lucky in a wc was stoner when he got on that rocketship in 07.
Actually I can think of another very entertaining rider wc, but he's as dumb as a bag of rocks and immensely liked as a legend so I'll just get my coat
Edit : no,he did not use the rear brake. At all

JPSLotus said:

I know a few people like VR, in that while not everything goes right, more often than not it does.

It's a gift I think...or divine intervention.

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Devine as in Dorna?

Jumkie said:

Devine as in Dorna?

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Dorna is the gift that keeps on giving.

Imagine if they had felt the same about Stoner that they do about Rossi?

With that talent and the deck stacked in his favor....

And if you turn dicks into ....... jumkie ain't gay on the weekends.
There's no luck in racing. It's called hard work and thinking ahead. Jorge ...... his tyre cause he misjudged the conditions today. What's that got to do with luck? ....... rossi, lucky ....... just being the most experienced and best in iffy conditions when more than raw speed is demanded

Agree Pro, today was about better management. That is Dorna managed to put VR on a M1, 1:4.

So once again Rossi showed how patient he can be at the start of a race, no panic, no rush, all confidance. Man, he's truly the most beutiful and smooth rider in all conditions. He makes it look so easy, instead of Marquez or Lorenzo, they are very effective and spectacular but too harsh and unaesthetic With their driving style.
Dani, back on track. Bravo!
Lorenzo, what to say.. He still has a chance, but the guy seems more worried about being faster on Q and early laps than beating VL. He also should be more focused on beating VL than saying after every race how he's faster (faster on a complete race is what makes you really faster, not a Q or 8 laps) and how he should have won if, if, and if... That's the race, and tires, weather conditions, racecraft, and VL are part of it so he has to accept it and deal better with it insting of whining on the medias. I'm very disapointed by him, he's just lacking something, and the fact that he did his only mistake when VL came close to him has nothing to do with the tires and weather.
Marquez, that's my man.. And I'm really happy he played it safe today. I think he's starting to learn racecrafting and when it is worthy or not not go all in. I think we will finally see Marquez 2.0 next year.

Sorry for my English, it is just my third language.

When I finally meet you I'll make sure to steal all the ....... tinfoil you have.
I can't think of another rider to have the season vale is having. Jorge is utterly amazing and it takes a great rider to take the battle to him. Unfavorable conditions for jorge or not

Edit : its cool frederique. Most of these ....... speak nothing but their mother tongue and still aren't able to put anything more than incoherent ramblings together. Bienvenue!

Frederique said:

So once again Rossi showed how patient he can be at the start of a race, no panic, no rush, all confidance. Man, he's truly the most beutiful and smooth rider in all conditions. He makes it look so easy, instead of Marquez or Lorenzo, they are very effective and spectacular but too harsh and unaesthetic With their driving style.
Dani, back on track. Bravo!
Lorenzo, what to say.. He still has a chance, but the guy seems more worried about being faster on Q and early laps than beating VL. He also should be more focused on beating VL than saying after every race how he's faster (faster on a complete race is what makes you really faster, not a Q or 8 laps) and how he should have won if, if, and if... That's the race, and tires, weather conditions, racecraft, and VL are part of it so he has to accept it and deal better with it insting of whining on the medias. I'm very disapointed by him, he's just lacking something, and the fact that he did his only mistake when VL came close to him has nothing to do with the tires and weather.
Marquez, that's my man.. And I'm really happy he played it safe today. I think he's starting to learn racecrafting and when it is worthy or not not go all in. I think we will finally see Marquez 2.0 next year.

Sorry for my English, it is just my third language.

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Welcome Fred.

Regarding Marquez, I think what you saw today was a symptom of his broken finger more than anything and the reality that he is out of the title picture altogether has sunk in. What we saw was just a guy who was trying to get through the race without too much trouble, and what happens when he dials it down a bit instead of trying to run at 10/10ths for the whole race.

JPSLotus said:

Welcome Fred.

Regarding Marquez, I think what you saw today was a symptom of his broken finger more than anything and the reality that he is out of the title picture altogether has sunk in. What we saw was just a guy who was trying to get through the race without too much trouble, and what happens when he dials it down a bit instead of trying to run at 10/10ths for the whole race.

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Thx!

That's my point, lol. He finally starts doing some maths.

Frederique said:

Thx!

That's my point, lol. He finally starts doing some maths.

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Well the point I was making was more that I'm not convinced anything about him has changed. We'll see what happens with the final races, and 2016 will be the big test to see if he has learned or if he is still the same guy once every thing is back to 100% or close to it.

JPSLotus said:

Well the point I was making was more that I'm not convinced anything about him has changed. We'll see what happens with the final races, and 2016 will be the big test to see if he has learned or if he is still the same guy once every thing is back to 100% or close to it.

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But we saw him in the past, even injured he was always pushing 100% when he had little to win or if he already won everything. Anyway, wait and see I guess.

propagandhi said:

Sheezus. The only rider to ever get lucky in a wc was stoner when he got on that rocketship in 07.
Actually I can think of another very entertaining rider wc, but he's as dumb as a bag of rocks and immensely liked as a legend so I'll just get my coat
Edit : no,he did not use the rear brake. At all

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Kevin?

Jumkie said:

I wonder if the VR fans will acknowledge this has got to be the luckiest ever title.

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No.

JPSLotus said:

It's more that the wet races have benefited VR more than anyone else on the grid. If you turn all of the wet races into dry races, you likely see him chasing after Lorenzo instead of Lorenzo chasing after him.

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Everybody was on the same piece of pavement. Lorenzo fried his tires trying to run away right from the start. He said so in very clear English at the presser. Rossi was smarter and saved his tires for the rest of the race.

And remember, Rossi went to extra pains to be on the front row, with the intention of taking the fight to Lorenzo right from the start without interference from other riders. I won't say categorically that Rossi planned it all out in his head from the start, but I do believe he thought Lorenzo's pace at the beginning was too risky and Rossi believed in the long run, for the championship's sake it was better to come in 2nd than to crash in the first 5 laps.

Jumkie said:

Agree Pro, today was about better management. That is Dorna managed to put VR on a M1, 1:4.

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Maybe Dorna did, but at the end of the day Rossi rode the M1 better than his younger team-mate today. One of the 4 best bikes will not make a champion on its own.

Regarding your trawling net "luckiest championship evah" statement, will that also apply if Jorge wins it? If not, why not?

One of the two M1 riders will be 2015 WC. It will not be luck that caused that, regardless of which one it is.

Frederique said:

So once again Rossi showed how patient he can be at the start of a race, no panic, no rush, all confidance. Man, he's truly the most beutiful and smooth rider in all conditions. He makes it look so easy, instead of Marquez or Lorenzo, they are very effective and spectacular but too harsh and unaesthetic With their driving style.
Dani, back on track. Bravo!
Lorenzo, what to say.. He still has a chance, but the guy seems more worried about being faster on Q and early laps than beating VL. He also should be more focused on beating VL than saying after every race how he's faster (faster on a complete race is what makes you really faster, not a Q or 8 laps) and how he should have won if, if, and if... That's the race, and tires, weather conditions, racecraft, and VL are part of it so he has to accept it and deal better with it insting of whining on the medias. I'm very disapointed by him, he's just lacking something, and the fact that he did his only mistake when VL came close to him has nothing to do with the tires and weather.
Marquez, that's my man.. And I'm really happy he played it safe today. I think he's starting to learn racecrafting and when it is worthy or not not go all in. I think we will finally see Marquez 2.0 next year.

Sorry for my English, it is just my third language.

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Welcome Frederique!


Lorenzo wasn't always that great a starter in the premier class. But he's been around Rossi long enough to know three things that have motivated him to work hard on his starts.

1. Rossi hasn't been pushing hard for pole positions for a long time.

2. Rossi isn't the best starter.

3. Once Rossi is sitting on your rear tire, it's hard to get a rhythm going - so the best defense for that is to make a jackrabbit start and let Rossi tangle with all schmucks crowding in at the first turn. It worked for Pedrosa many times. It's really clear that Lorenzo has been concentrating on good starts this year; not just because of Rossi - but also because he knows when MM has his head in gear - Lorenzo needs every possible advantage.

Keshav said:

Everybody was on the same piece of pavement. Lorenzo fried his tires trying to run away right from the start. He said so in very clear English at the presser. Rossi was smarter and saved his tires for the rest of the race.

And remember, Rossi went to extra pains to be on the front row, with the intention of taking the fight to Lorenzo right from the start without interference from other riders. I won't say categorically that Rossi planned it all out in his head from the start, but I do believe he thought Lorenzo's pace at the beginning was too risky and Rossi believed in the long run, for the championship's sake it was better to come in 2nd than to crash in the first 5 laps.

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Did anyone else notice the long and detailed chat Rossi was having with the Bridgestone chap on the grid? I wonder if he didn't formulate a possible plan then and there, especially given what happened with moto2.

It could have rained enough to not shag Lorenzo's tyres over whole race distance, but the slight improvement in the weather in the whole area implied not. Not really sure why Lorenzo felt he needed to pull such a huge gap so quickly. He had nearly a second at the end of lap 1, nearly 2 by the end of lap 2, and that is when the tyres are not up to full operating temp and the fuel load is the highest.....

I'm sure Rossi had no intention of going with Lorenzo in those early laps - he did just enough to keep Dovi at bay. It wasn't until lap 4 that he started to get close to Lorenzo's times, but he still trailed by 0.2 / 0.3 per lap until around lap 8. By lap 9 Dovi's tyres were ...... showing that the tyres may not last race distance if stressed early on.

Meanwile Dani was coming into his own, coming from nearly 9 seconds back lap 7 to catching Rossi lap 15 & Lorenzo lap 17. :clap:

The gap between Lorenzo and Rossi had been holding station up until Dani's pass on Rossi, Lorenzo's times getting slower and Rossi matching them. With Dani past Rossi maintained his pace but Lorenzo's dropped further and by the start of lap 19 Rossi had reduced the 3.5 second gap on lap 15 to less than 0.5s. Then Lorenzo made his mistake and Rossi was by.

It's not the first time Rossi has beaten an opponent by saving his tyres early on, nor is it the first time that Lorenzo has charged out of the blocks and fried his tyres in less than predictable circumstances.