MotoGP: 2015 Round 09 - GoPro Motorrad Grand Prix Deutschland (SPOILERS)

JPSLotus said:

Please, the journos have little interest in admitting that the real reason the RCV hasn't looked like a worldbeater this year is because the other bike [M1] has caught up to it.

Oh good god, look at you with your straw man argument. Where the .... did I say anything about MM not being talented? I'm on record as stating he is talented, but a moron in between the ears hence the string of bad luck. He could easily have crashed out at Assen.


No one made the claim it's so good it can ride itself.

I believe the argument made is that it's a very good bike that just didn't make a step forward that was at least equal to the step forward that the M1 made. Hence why the gap between the Yamaha and Honda is much smaller from 2014 to 2015.

I have been arguing for the last month that there's nothing really that wrong with the RCV. Stop trying to twist it into an either/or proposition since myself, nor Jums even made that ridiculous claim you're trying to attribute to us.

Notice how there were 5 components that were at fault for the supposed "underperforming" of the RCV and suddenly nothing is being mentioned now?

-Chassis
-Brakes
-Swingarm
-Flywheel
-Engine

Why is this?

Maybe because all of those supposed problems were nothing more than red herrings.

There's all these vague allusions from MM about how Honda "is close" and that things have "improved" yet no mention of anything other than the supposed improved braking feel that has gotten with the reversion of the 2014 chassis.

A few weeks ago he was blaming Casey Stoner for the bike being garbage.

Now all of a sudden it's just fine?

lol he's a moron.

Rank technical amateur that would blame the sun being at the wrong angle in the sky if he failed to take a corner at the speed he intended to.

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If we both agree that he's not lacking in ability - then what else would account for the fact that he's had such a dreadful season thus far?


Sorry - you're relatively new around here. "The bike can ride itself" has for years been short-hand for the rider is without merit; an assertion made time and again by boppers about Stoner.

The Five Possiblities as it were - were theories mooted about. That not all five are likely to be true - doesn't ergo rule out that one or more of these things were the issue.

All of a sudden? Dude... how many races has MM struggled to even get on the podium. In the relatively short period that comprises the MGP season - that's a long time, especially given the reasonable assumption that Honda was throwing every possible resource into the mix to fix the problem.

And I can see one or two or three journos perhaps being less than objective - but pretty much all of them? Besides - according to you and Jum - Rossi has everybody down to the french fry chefs at the hamburger stand in his pocket. Going by that way of thinking - the journos should by all lights be saying Rossi has "broken" MM, or Rossi has triumphed over the evil empire's riders despite the massively unfair advantage of the Hondas. Your implication would appear to be that all the journos in the paddock are somehow beholden to Marquez or Honda and incapable of objective reporting. So only you and your fellow arm chair expert have more insight into this situation than all the professional journalists? Hey... if that fits your narrative - go with it.

Re: nothing being mentioned now. MM reverted to the 2014 frame and his crew sorted out the problems. That's what engineers do. The fact that Honda hasn't published a detailed report of all the tricks and refinements required shouldn't be a huge surprise to you. The companies only reveal as much as they want the competitors to know.

Whatever refinements Honda accomplished were, they were clearly effective. Not only did MM win... but he won by a huge margin. And Pedrosa (who admittedly loves Sachsenring) had his best showing of the season. Coincidence? I think not.

looks like your VSGs outweighed your talent mate

MdubSTYLIE said:

Damn this place hasn't changed one bit. Well Jums posts seem to be shorter but thats about it. Whats crackin kesh?

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Other than Jum's ability to make a coherent argument - not much. You look well. Did you lose weight?

basspete said:

looks like your VSGs outweighed your talent mate

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Wussup Pete? You seeing someone we can't all see? Maybe you have a touch of Barry-Barry fever?

Jumkie said:

Risky prediction, going out on a limp, eh?

Oh, I get it, its because the RCV is such a dog, and you're thinking it will just continue its much documented decline. And the upside is, if MurderMac wins you can again claim he has 'evolved'.

Honda 1-2. Oh but wait, Crashslow was in 9th, surely Kropo can use his result to support why the RCV is shambolic.

"Impressive, the Honda doesn't look like it has any problems. They brake very late, they accelerate very soon." Jorge Lorenzo

In response to Jorge's assessment: "Jorge Lorenzo is spot on." Nicky Harris

Translation: 'The Honda is the worst factory bike this year, and it was probably the worse last year too.' Kropo


I just hope some day poor Marc can ride with both hands, it must really be hard to crush previous year's lap records with one arm shackled behind his back on a bike that obviously has gone to .....

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I can't see anything in Keshav's post that merits such a hostile response ... I'm guessing there's some history here?

(I'm new here).

michaelm said:

I am not arguing with you either, MM is obviously extremely fast but I am basically not a fan as you know, going back to the Willairot incident and in the absence of any evidence he has developed much more concern for fellow riders since then.

... so I don't think it is outrageous to suggest that the change back to the old chassis or other possible recent changes to the Honda have resulted in a bike which suits him better ...

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Especially since he explicitly stated that the old chassis suits him better

MdubSTYLIE said:

Damn this place hasn't changed one bit. Well Jums posts seem to be shorter but thats about it. Whats crackin kesh?

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Haha, great to see you back. Oh this is gonna get good. Kesh is still sore you 'upended' the bet and had the last laff. Let me update u: Kropo is still in love with MurderMac, Kesh is still a modern art masterpiece. Migs is still upset Nicky is heterosexual, Willski is still trying to convert us to Christianity, and Arrabbiata1 is still trying to get BarryMachine to visit (as u can imagine, BM just can't find the time being simultaneously the director of NORAD and the Mars Space Program). Rog is still MIA, sadly, and MickD I suspect is Kesh from a parallel universe, albeit with not as much wrinkled skin.

Oh we have a few new members too. U missed a great bitch fight between lil Sparrow and some noob chick.

Povol you ask? Well he is in Carolina trying to stop them from taking down the Confederate flag.

neti1 said:

I can't see anything in Keshav's post that merits such a hostile response ... I'm guessing there's some history here?

(I'm new here).

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Your ability to deduct the obvious is impeccable.

Jumkie said:

Povol you ask? Well he is in Carolina trying to stop them from taking down the Confederate flag.

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No one believes less in the freedom to troll than Jumkie. He's all about prudent censorship.

Race was predictable, except Lorenzo leading early. RCV is a terrible bike.

Also pleased that Redding and Miller are still riding decent Honda equipment, while Hayden and Laverty languish on HRC's junk production bike.

Keshav said:

Other than Jum's ability to make a coherent argument - not much. You look well. Did you lose weight?

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Its kind of you to notice. It all went to my cock and balls.

Jumkie said:

Haha, great to see you back. Oh this is gonna get good. Kesh is still sore you 'upended' the bet and had the last laff. Let me update u: Kropo is still in love with MurderMac, Kesh is still a modern art masterpiece. Migs is still upset Nicky is heterosexual, Willski is still trying to convert us to Christianity, and Arrabbiata1 is still trying to get BarryMachine to visit (as u can imagine, BM just can't find the time being simultaneously the director of NORAD and the Mars Space Program). Rog is still MIA, sadly, and MickD I suspect is Kesh from a parallel universe, albeit with not as much wrinkled skin.

Oh we have a few new members too. U missed a great bitch fight between lil Sparrow and some noob chick.

Povol you ask? Well he is in Carolina trying to stop them from taking down the Confederate flag.

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Haha I dont know how he could be mad. I still use the pic. Kesh you mad bro? Its good to know everyone is pretty much the same. Well except Povol, sounds like he's losing half of his heart.

mylexicon said:

No one believes less in the freedom to troll than Jumkie. He's all about prudent censorship.

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For the record, I'm against the against Confederate flag bandwagon.

I'm for freedom of expression. Flag or boots, however one wants to express themselves I'm okay with it.

MdubSTYLIE said:

Haha I dont know how he could be mad. I still use the pic. Kesh you mad bro? Its good to know everyone is pretty much the same. Well except Povol, sounds like he's losing half of his heart.

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Kesh probably won't admit it now, but maybe Knockdown can kindly direct you to some posts Kesh has made about you.

Well...that is if he wasn't being banned on the downlow. Its the new way of censorship. Throttling accounts. Like the Chinese do it.

mylexicon said:

Race was predictable, except Lorenzo leading early.

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As at Assen, Lorenzo's first lap was beautifully ....... magnificent!

Geonerd said:

As at Assen, Lorenzo's first lap was beautifully ....... magnificent!

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Thats like being great at eating ..... but then being a two pump chump.

MdubSTYLIE said:

Haha I dont know how he could be mad. I still use the pic. Kesh you mad bro? Its good to know everyone is pretty much the same. Well except Povol, sounds like he's losing half of his heart.

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The past is the past. Always down for a fresh start. Nothing to lose in tryin'.

Jumkie said:

Kesh probably won't admit it now, but maybe Knockdown can kindly direct you to some posts Kesh has made about you.

Well...that is if he wasn't being banned on the downlow. Its the new way of censorship. Throttling accounts. Like the Chinese do it.

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King Of The Trolls as ever.

MdubSTYLIE said:

Thats like being great at eating ..... but then being a two pump chump.

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Welcome back Dub.
Great to see you back. Theres been a few important changes around here that you should know about.
First of all Keshav now goes by the name of Caitlyn. Please be respectful of his transformation, he is slowly evolving.

Attempts at puns, jokes and playful insults have become frowned upon and may lead to being banned. Ask Motochick, well if you could ask her, currently she is banned for bringing up the taboo topic of Unicorns. Also if you are able to locate her, ask her if these bumps on my shaft will go away soon.

Check in with Levi Garrett. He is the head of our humor department now. Whenever you feel the urge to write something sarcastic or humorous contact Levi and ask him to post a Gif instead. In case you are unfamilar with this process, a gif is short video clip captioned with an ironic phrase. It has revolutionized internet humor. Now the least unfunny person in the world can post a gif and expect a laugh riot. You no longer need to be funny. A gif allows you to hijack someone elses creativity. In case you become confused, just remember "Keep Calm and Post a Gif"

In your absence from the site some of our members have found love. Migs is happily dating the soulmate he met on Grindr and
Barry Machine is currently courting the squirrel on Little Sparrows head.
Oh yeah. In case your wondering, sparrow is our new resident bird. She hates newbs and loves to smack ..... with her ..... In other words, she fits right in

Jumkie said:

For the record, I'm against the against Confederate flag bandwagon.

I'm for freedom of expression. Flag or boots, however one wants to express themselves I'm okay with it.

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Translation: I want to know who's trying to string me up