Personally I think that Marc will win both years. Barring injury. Pecco is a great rider, but Marc is arguably the best ever. And, I think Marc will do the political thing and psychological rivalry thing better as well. But, that's just a prediction which very easily can be proved wrong.
I've seen several articles today along these lines:
‘We’ve seen this too many times from Jorge Martin’
Podcast reaction after Jorge Martin dramatically slides out of the race and world championship lead at Sachsenring.www.crash.net
It seems that criticizing Martin is en vogue today, which is understandable, I suppose, since journalists have increasingly less access to real paddock information, and they have resorted to clickbait editorials for website traffic. However, these types of articles seem particularly cruel and without context. It's true that Martin has 3 major mistakes on his recent record, Indo 2023, Jerez 2024 and Sachsenring 2024, but is his record THAT different from other frontrunners?
How did Martin get a stranglehold on the 2023 championship? IIRC, it was Pecco's non-scores and Catalunya and India. How did Martin build a lead during the 2024 season? Pecco clashed with Marc unnecessarily at Portimao, and then Pecco crashed out of the lead during the Catalunya sprint.
And who can forget Bagnaia's error-filled 2022 campaign (Motegi most of all), which was only bested by Quartararo's epic meltdown?
Martin cannot capitalize on the gifts he receives, but Pecco Claus has a history of providing bountiful gifts. The difference it seems is that Bagnaia is either on the box or he's in the gravel, whereas his competitors are often top-5 or gravel. In 2023, Jorge Martin had 8 finishes off of the podium. Bagnaia had just 1 finish off of the podium. It's difficult for sprint wins to make up that big of a gap.
If Martin-bashing articles are required, perhaps they should have been written after COTA, when Martin managed 4th place. Martin has only finished outside of the top-3 once this season. This win or bin pattern he is executing during the first half of 2024 is actually quite similar to Bagnaia's formula for winning championships.
Took the words out of my mouth (well . . . except my mouth isn't that big.) LOL - seriously - well said.I've seen several articles today along these lines:
‘We’ve seen this too many times from Jorge Martin’
Podcast reaction after Jorge Martin dramatically slides out of the race and world championship lead at Sachsenring.
It seems that criticizing Martin is en vogue today, which is understandable, I suppose, since journalists have increasingly less access to real paddock information, and they have resorted to clickbait editorials for website traffic. However, these types of articles seem particularly cruel and without context. It's true that Martin has 3 major mistakes on his recent record, Indo 2023, Jerez 2024 and Sachsenring 2024, but is his record THAT different from other frontrunners?
How did Martin get a stranglehold on the 2023 championship? IIRC, it was Pecco's non-scores and Catalunya and India. How did Martin build a lead during the 2024 season? Pecco clashed with Marc unnecessarily at Portimao, and then Pecco crashed out of the lead during the Catalunya sprint.
And who can forget Bagnaia's error-filled 2022 campaign (Motegi most of all), which was only bested by Quartararo's epic meltdown?
Martin cannot capitalize on the gifts he receives, but Pecco Claus has a history of providing bountiful gifts. The difference it seems is that Bagnaia is either on the box or he's in the gravel, whereas his competitors are often top-5 or gravel. In 2023, Jorge Martin had 8 finishes off of the podium. Bagnaia had just 1 finish off of the podium. It's difficult for sprint wins to make up that big of a gap.
If Martin-bashing articles are required, perhaps they should have been written after COTA, when Martin managed 4th place. Martin has only finished outside of the top-3 once this season. This win or bin pattern he is executing during the first half of 2024 is actually quite similar to Bagnaia's formula for winning championships.
Exactamundo. I have no problem saying that there's a bunch of folks on this forum who are boatloads more informed and insightful than myself, but so many of these crashes that are dubbed "choking" happen when riders look very much in control and are not doing anything all that outrageous and then, BAM! they go down and when interviewed give less-than-convincing explanations (because they themselves are uncertain) for why they crashed. Race commentators feel like they have to be able to explain every little thing that happens - in real time - and spew out meaningless stats like freaking autistic brain jabber fueled by raging Know-it-all-itis, and I think it gets more than a little contagious.
Quite a dramatic stance for what has been the top GP23 every race. If Marc is not winning this year it's because of machine disadvantage against the superior GP24. Also Marc is 31, and you're comparing him to Rossi at 38.
Very true about the cause of crashes, as Lex also says.
It has been some bad luck, on top of mistakes that have cost MM not having a win this year. COTA was there for the taking, brake issue caused his crash. Bad qualifying through some bad luck (ie Bradl) or just flat out mistakes from crashing. The difference is at the moment between what we saw from Rossi and what we are seeing from MM, is that Rossi was on a factory bike while MM is riding a year old bike that is unfortunately clearly a step below the GP24.
As far back as 2016, the front tyre was letting go for no apparent reason. I seem to remember a rider (it may have been MM) explaining after a crash in a race that the data showed he did everything the same but this time the tyre let go and they didn't know why.
One thing I liked about Pecco was he nver looks for a taxi unlike others.
He can be both a crasher and a non crasher is the bottom line, and has been a non crasher to an extent sufficient to win 8 titles.
I think it's about having fun once the title is won. Not riding with the pressure of worrying about crashing.
Sure, I agree entirely with what you said about crashing in practice to find the limits, that was indeed his long term method.
Many good points as is your wont.I've seen several articles today along these lines:
‘We’ve seen this too many times from Jorge Martin’
Podcast reaction after Jorge Martin dramatically slides out of the race and world championship lead at Sachsenring.
It seems that criticizing Martin is en vogue today, which is understandable, I suppose, since journalists have increasingly less access to real paddock information, and they have resorted to clickbait editorials for website traffic. However, these types of articles seem particularly cruel and without context. It's true that Martin has 3 major mistakes on his recent record, Indo 2023, Jerez 2024 and Sachsenring 2024, but is his record THAT different from other frontrunners?
How did Martin get a stranglehold on the 2023 championship? IIRC, it was Pecco's non-scores and Catalunya and India. How did Martin build a lead during the 2024 season? Pecco clashed with Marc unnecessarily at Portimao, and then Pecco crashed out of the lead during the Catalunya sprint.
And who can forget Bagnaia's error-filled 2022 campaign (Motegi most of all), which was only bested by Quartararo's epic meltdown?
Martin cannot capitalize on the gifts he receives, but Pecco Claus has a history of providing bountiful gifts. The difference it seems is that Bagnaia is either on the box or he's in the gravel, whereas his competitors are often top-5 or gravel. In 2023, Jorge Martin had 8 finishes off of the podium. Bagnaia had just 1 finish off of the podium. It's difficult for sprint wins to make up that big of a gap.
If Martin-bashing articles are required, perhaps they should have been written after COTA, when Martin managed 4th place. Martin has only finished outside of the top-3 once this season. This win or bin pattern he is executing during the first half of 2024 is actually quite similar to Bagnaia's formula for winning championships.
