MotoGP: 2015 Round 16 - Pramac Australian Motorcycle Grand Prix (SPOILERS)

ReddiWhip · Oct 17, 2015

Jumkie said:
Welcome. Title over. Been over. Sepang is VR territory. Marc on form preserves VR lead. VR not winning today slams the nail in coffin.

Cue Yellow smoke.

You've been saying it for a while, and i hope that it happens. I don't think it's gonna be that easy though. Now with so many potential spoilers, it's anything but predictable. Keeping with the trend, next week I fully expect to see Crutchlow battling with Rossi, running VR off track on his way to victory. :unsure:

Gaz · Oct 17, 2015

Jumkie said:
Jesus H Christ, just watched Moto3. (no spoilers).

Highlights how clean while fierce MotoGP race was today. Kudos to the top four finishers: 93, 99, Crazy Awesome Joe (coining that), 46. Well done not to kill each other today gentz.

Was clean all through Jums.

The Suzuki 2, Crutchlow, Pedrosa and their position swaps was just as good as the top 4 from what I could see and in the background

The shame (if you can say that) was that for once, the producers had very good reason to stay focused on the front and have a valid reason for missing the other battles where so often they should focus further back

shovelhead · Oct 18, 2015

ReddiWhip said:
Hello all. I'm routing for Rossi to win this Championship at this age. Maybe he's not the most deserving, maybe he is, but what we do know is he's been the most consistent rider this year, which places him at the top of the standings currently.

Its unfortunate for Rossi, that Pedrosa comes out victorious (out of nowhere mind you) in the scrap of his life at Aragon, and today Iannone rides the wheels off the Duc, making things closer than they would've been otherwise. If Rossi is going to win this thing, he's going to need to impose his will at Sepang and Valencia, two tracks he does well at historically. I think hoping to place close to Lorenzo is a losing strategy. Subtle, but it's more racing not to lose, than racing to win.

With that said this race was a real pants ....... the whole way through. Just wow! Great rides all around for the top 4, what else can you say? Lorenzo rode well, maybe the least remarkably out of the 4. That final lap by MM was simply sensational. To make up that much time on the final lap, and ride the fastest lap with burned tires. The Duc and Ianonne were fantastic. Rossi rode the most desperate of the four, pushing his machine to a pace he hadn't showed all weekend. It was special. The championship is tight, can't wait till next weekend!

I will be in Valencia, this battle will go down to the wire.
If Lorenzo loses the title by less than 10 points,
he can blame it on his lame $300 HJC helmet that messed him up two times.
the 900,000 euros sponsorship is not that appealing when it is costing you a championship

Dr No · Oct 18, 2015

When did Rossi last win in Malaysia? Pre-Ducati days shirley?

Paszti · Oct 18, 2015

Gaz said:
Was clean all through Jums.

The Suzuki 2, Crutchlow, Pedrosa and their position swaps was just as good as the top 4 from what I could see and in the background

The shame (if you can say that) was that for once, the producers had very good reason to stay focused on the front and have a valid reason for missing the other battles where so often they should focus further back

Many times fondered if Dorna could make videos focusing on other groups behind the leaders, release them later on website, earn money-happy fans .. just saying

Talpa · Oct 18, 2015

Faarrrck!!!

What a race, hows Rossi's bad luck now Jorge? Two races now where two riders have come from absolutely nowhere to be on the form of their lives to just pip him at the post.

Bought time those extra engines and fuel paid dividends for Ducati

that thing was a missle on that straight, the honda wasn't too bad either, or just both Yams were stupidly slow.

Can't complain though, up there with Qatar as the race of the season.

Paszti · Oct 18, 2015

Dr No said:
When did Rossi last win in Malaysia? Pre-Ducati days shirley?

I think 2010

ReddiWhip · Oct 18, 2015

By the way, doesn't Lorenzo owe Iannone an big apology??? Lorenzo, was so quick to publicly point out that the only way Iannone qualified 2nd was because Lorenzo towed him.

Wrong... Iannone just had the pace my friend.

Gaz · Oct 18, 2015

ReddiWhip said:
By the way, doesn't Lorenzo owe Iannone an big apology??? Lorenzo, was so quick to publicly point out that the only way Iannone qualified 2nd was because Lorenzo towed him.

Wrong... Iannone just had the pace my friend.

Elsewhere there was discussion about exactly that and people read it more that Lorenzo was stating that his time was not made on the soft tyres that the Ducati have access to, plus all discussions with Ianonne had him near apologising for the tow.

As for Ianonne having the pace, yes he does and not to disparage but the Ducati has allowances that Honda and Yamaha do not

Jumkie · Oct 18, 2015

Paszti said:
Many times fondered if Dorna could make videos focusing on other groups behind the leaders, release them later on website, earn money-happy fans .. just saying

There is this invention called split-screen. MotoGP hasn't yet discovered it.

ReddiWhip · Oct 18, 2015

Gaz said:
Elsewhere there was discussion about exactly that and people read it more that Lorenzo was stating that his time was not made on the soft tyres that the Ducati have access to, plus all discussions with Ianonne had him near apologising for the tow.

As for Ianonne having the pace, yes he does and not to disparage but the Ducati has allowances that Honda and Yamaha do not

** I didn't look further down the thread, sorry if that was rehash, my mistake ** - Yes, there's no doubt the concessions the Ducati currently enjoys are a great help. But hey, that's the rules right? I don't like them either. Ianonne shows he has skill however, which legitimatizes it to a degree.

As for Lorenzo, I wouldn't read it that way at all. That was him calling Ianonne out personally, in that moment. That's what he does. If you're "the champ", take the high road and blow him away in the race. Just my opinion.

Jumkie · Oct 18, 2015

I wish this forum had lively vibrant discussion. This place is deader than that seagull.

RIP

Gaz · Oct 18, 2015

ReddiWhip said:
** I didn't look further down the thread, sorry if that was rehash, my mistake ** - Yes, there's no doubt the concessions the Ducati currently enjoys are a great help. But hey, that's the rules right? I don't like them either. Ianonne shows he has skill however, which legitimatizes it to a degree.

As for Lorenzo, I wouldn't read it that way at all. That was him calling Ianonne out personally, in that moment. That's what he does. If you're "the champ", take the high road and blow him away in the race. Just my opinion.

Not at all, by elsewhere I was referring to other forums etc

Your take and mine vary as from the body language after the race, all in Parc Ferme had enjoyed themselves and personally I did not see JL questioning Ianonne as a person but did see him question the allowances that made it happen.

Frederique · Oct 18, 2015

This is the first GP this season where I noticed a big outright speed difference between Lorenzo and VR. I know the fact that Yamaha is pushing for Lorenzo is not the reason for that, but man, it's hard to explain, especially at this stage of the season.

levigarrett · Oct 18, 2015

ReddiWhip said:
By the way, doesn't Lorenzo owe Iannone an big apology??? Lorenzo, was so quick to publicly point out that the only way Iannone qualified 2nd was because Lorenzo towed him.

Wrong... Iannone just had the pace my friend.

Iannone openly admitted in the post quli presser that he used Lorenzo. He was quite frank about it. So no, Lorenzo doesn't owe him. It was also mention post race.

levigarrett · Oct 18, 2015

Frederique said:
This is the first GP this season where I noticed a big outright speed difference between Lorenzo and VR. I know the fact that Yamaha is pushing for Lorenzo is not the reason for that, but man, it's hard to explain, especially at this stage of the season.

GMAFB man. Seriously, Rossi the victim of Yamaha. Is that really where you want to go with this?

Someone learn this guy for me please. Jum, handle this.

Gaz · Oct 18, 2015

Frederique said:
This is the first GP this season where I noticed a big outright speed difference between Lorenzo and VR. I know the fact that Yamaha is pushing for Lorenzo is not the reason for that, but man, it's hard to explain, especially at this stage of the season.

Rossi had a speed faster than Lorenzo's highest speed on 13 laps

JL's top speed was lap 26 with a 332.0kmh

Rossi scored 332.0 or faster on laps 2, 4, 5, 8, 9, 10, 11, 18, 20, 21, 23, 25 and 27
He also recorded 332.0 kmh on lap 12 and 19

Source - http://resources.motogp.com/files/results/2015/AUS/MotoGP/RAC/Analysis.pdf?v1_57f7c4be

Now JL's laps were primarily when breaking the breeze with VR generally in a tow but as can be seen, to say that JL's bike is faster can be shown to likely be incorrect

Even further.

VR's average top speed throughout the race (taken from his 5 highest speeds) was an impressive 336.5 with JL at 330.6

Source - http://resources.motogp.com/files/results/2015/AUS/MotoGP/RAC/AverageSpeed.pdf?v1_57f7c4be

Frederique · Oct 18, 2015

levigarrett said:
GMAFB man. Seriously, Rossi the victim of Yamaha. Is that really where you want to go with this?

Someone learn this guy for me please. Jum, handle this.

I'm asking questions. I'm not saying that VR is te victim of Yamaha, but Lorenzo is the Yamaha boy, he's their favourite racer and their chosen one, it's a fact. That being said, I don't think they are trying to give an advantage, it's just hard for me to explain than sudden big difference in the outright speed between the two.

Frederique · Oct 18, 2015

Gaz said:
Rossi had a speed faster than Lorenzo's highest speed on 13 laps

JL's top speed was lap 26 with a 332.0kmh

Rossi scored 332.0 or faster on laps 2, 4, 5, 8, 9, 10, 11, 18, 20, 21, 23, 25 and 27
He also recorded 332.0 kmh on lap 12 and 19

Source - http://resources.motogp.com/files/results/2015/AUS/MotoGP/RAC/Analysis.pdf?v1_57f7c4be

Now JL's laps were primarily when breaking the breeze with VR generally in a tow but as can be seen, to say that JL's bike is faster can be shown to likely be incorrect

Rossi had top speed only because of the late breaking. You can easily see how it was easier for the Ducati to catch Rossi than Lorenzo.

Gaz · Oct 18, 2015

Frederique said:
I'm asking questions. I'm not saying that VR is te victim of Yamaha, but Lorenzo is the Yamaha boy, he's their favourite racer and their chosen one, it's a fact. That being said, I don't think they are trying to give an advantage, it's just hard for me to explain than sudden big difference in the outright speed between the two.

From - fact - definition of fact in English from the Oxford dictionary

1. A thing that is known or proved to be true:
the most commonly known fact about hedgehogs is that they have fleas
[MASS NOUN]: a body of fact
MORE EXAMPLE SENTENCES
SYNONYMS
1.1 (facts) Information used as evidence or as part of a report or news article:
even the most inventive journalism peters out without facts, and in this case there were no facts

Now, which definition of fact are you using as it surely cannot be point 1 and if point 1.1 thence you are using 'facts' loosely to derive an opinion.

There are no facts that Yamaha are favouring Lorenzo as you assert, and yet there is much andectdotal evidence that would suggest that if anything, favouritism would be afforded to Valentino as he is more attractive to the marketplace and thus more valuable to Yamaha.

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