Gran Premio Motul de la República Argentina 2017

Theo said:

They scored 3 today

I think Zarco would be good in Rossi's seat, he certainly knows how to entertain.

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moto vudu said:

IMO, Marc knew Vinales was going to have a strong pace so he pushed 100% at the start desperate to create a gap and it bit him. It wasn't his bike nor the tires that cost him the race, it was his race strategy to take maximum risk right from the start because he feared Vinales chasing him down.

Sure I saw Pedrosa go down. You could see for a few laps leading up to Pedrosa's crash that he was getting out of shape on the brakes. The bike/tires were giving him warning that he was exceeding the limit, but Pedrosa was pushing to try to break away from the pack. Stiffer tire would've given him some better stability under braking, no wonder he asked for one.

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Keshav said:

The fact that Marquez pushed hard in the beginning is not a de facto indicator of desperation. Desperation is just something you are projecting because you thrive on manufactured drama, as in your "he's in his head" nonsense. MM has way more experience in this class and has beaten the best. It will take more than one crash to shake his self-confidence.

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yamfan said:

Marquez went out fast because he'd switched to the medium rear at the last minute. He was mindful of it wearing out late in the race and so set out to create a buffer to enable him to control the race.
Front tyre choice didn't affect either HRC crashes imo, both lost it when the front unloaded over the bumps into the turn. The front end of the Honda is far from sorted, it's as nervous and twitchy as ever.

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yamfan said:

Marquez went out fast because he'd switched to the medium rear at the last minute. He was mindful of it wearing out late in the race and so set out to create a buffer to enable him to control the race.
Front tyre choice didn't affect either HRC crashes imo, both lost it when the front unloaded over the bumps into the turn. The front end of the Honda is far from sorted, it's as nervous and twitchy as ever.

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JPSLotus said:

No, I think he's on the fast track for the second factory seat should Rossi step down at the end of 2018. He's quickly improving as a rider, and I think should be considered a serious threat to win a grand prix in 2017.

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aaronl said:

It is having a sorted yamaha that allows MV to sit on in a comfortable pace. That comfy pace on a different bike has you at the other end of the race

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A clash with Ducati replacement Jorge Lorenzo at turn one of Sunday's Argentina MotoGP (pictured) left Andrea Iannone down in 16th place.

But worse was to follow when he received a ride-through penalty for jumping the start.

The Italian went on to cross the finish line 16th and last, while Lorenzo was out on the spot after the earlier contact (pictured).

Iannone clearly felt the triple MotoGP champion was to blame for the incident, and that Race Direction should have taken the ground he lost into account when ruling on the jump start penalty.


“I got a ride-through penalty and my feeling is that it was too harsh," he said. "In my opinion I didn't gain any advantage because I just moved a bit but then immediately stopped. On the contrary, I also got hit by another rider at corner 1, causing me to lose many positions.

"Because of this, my opinion is that the Race Direction could have given another evaluation of the situation, and maybe not dictate such a penalising ride through. Of course this, together with the contact at corner 1, in which I lost many positions, affected my whole race.

"It's a shame because my pace after the penalty was good, maybe not enough for the podium, but for sure I could have fought for the top 6. It's not been a good start of the season for me. We have to change our pace and get a new start. We deserve better results.”

Iannone also failed to score in last year's race, after colliding with team-mate Andrea Dovizioso at the penultimate corner.

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moto vudu said:

Your opinion is certainly a possibility, but the reason I disagree with it is because it doesn't make much sense (to me) for Marc to start so fast just because he switched to the medium rear. Theoretically, the faster he starts the more he would be using up the rear which would make him even more vulnerable to anyone chasing him down in the latter stages of the race. Marc built up a 5 second last at Argentina last year, but Rossi, Dovi, & Iannone still ran him down.

Marc had mentioned earlier in the weekend that he felt Vinales would win (I think p4p1 posted it). He was worried about Vinales' speed all weekend.

Had Vinales, Rossi, and Crutchlow started the race at such a blazing pace, it wouldn't have shocked anyone if they crashed. Vinales said he stopped attempting to chase Marquez down and decided to settle into his own pace. Vinales employed a smarter strategy to minimize his risk level, it wasn't simply his bike being better sorted.

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birdman said:

You don't pay attention to either the race or what the riders say do you. Marquez says he pushed because he felt good, confident. He didn't think he was taking too much risk at that point. The front tyre wasn't yelling "WARNING CRASH COMING" as you happily point out it was saying to Pedrosa from your armchair. So what are you saying, they should take heed of the early warning signs and slow down like Lorenzo at Assen? At least salvage a point? Boy you are one confused poster.

Then you think Marquez was riding around thinking about big bad Vinales rather than just riding the RCV. He in his head. Yeah sure like Kesh says its the same rubbish we had to put up with all through 2008. The championship is influenced far more by Michelin than it is by any rider in ones 'head'. I predict here and now every championship contender is going to suffer a front end loss and crash in at least one race. Why do I predict this? Well, Michelin front tires are ..... Have you been paying attention. Count the front crashes simply going back to Qatar. Zarco, Crutchlow, Ianonne, Marquez, Pedrosa, Espargaro, Petrucci off the top of my head.

Rossi clearly has a strategy this year. He didn't push at all during testing. He sits way back in every practice. He's had a moan about the tires. Imo, he's obviously sandbagging, and in fact he's really only a tire change away from being the favorite for the championship. But he doesn't want the pressure of favorite status. He's happy to leave that pressure on Marquez and Vinales. Just like any good poker player he's not showing his hand early and I predict he will continue this pattern of appearing lost all week during practice then suddenly coming good on race day to take a safe 2nd or 3rd, and if both happen to crash, he will take the odd win.

I would say if there's one rider who may make it through the season without crashing the dodgy front its Rossi. All up its a very smart strategy. Well see if it pays off but imo it already has. Next the pressure will slowly go on to, yes you guessed it, Vinales.

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moto vudu said:

Iannone thinks RD should've used Lorenzo hitting him at turn 1 as his punishment for jumping the start instead of giving him a ride-through penalty.

Read more at MotoGP News - MotoGP Argentina: Iannone: Jump start penalty 'harsh' after Lorenzo hit

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moto vudu said:

You sure are angry. I hope for more results like today to keep you this pissed off.

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birdman said:

You don't pay attention to either the race or what the riders say do you. Marquez says he pushed because he felt good, confident. He didn't think he was taking too much risk at that point. The front tyre wasn't yelling "WARNING CRASH COMING" as you happily point out it was saying to Pedrosa from your armchair. So what are you saying, they should take heed of the early warning signs and slow down like Lorenzo at Assen? At least salvage a point? Boy you are one confused poster.

Then you think Marquez was riding around thinking about big bad Vinales rather than just riding the RCV. He in his head. Yeah sure like Kesh says its the same rubbish we had to put up with all through 2008. The championship is influenced far more by Michelin than it is by any rider in ones 'head'. I predict here and now every championship contender is going to suffer a front end loss and crash in at least one race. Why do I predict this? Well, Michelin front tires are ..... Have you been paying attention. Count the front crashes simply going back to Qatar. Zarco, Crutchlow, Ianonne, Marquez, Pedrosa, Espargaro, Petrucci off the top of my head.

Rossi clearly has a strategy this year. He didn't push at all during testing. He sits way back in every practice. He's had a moan about the tires. Imo, he's obviously sandbagging, and in fact he's really only a tire change away from being the favorite for the championship. But he doesn't want the pressure of favorite status. He's happy to leave that pressure on Marquez and Vinales. Just like any good poker player he's not showing his hand early and I predict he will continue this pattern of appearing lost all week during practice then suddenly coming good on race day to take a safe 2nd or 3rd, and if both happen to crash, he will take the odd win.

I would say if there's one rider who may make it through the season without crashing the dodgy front its Rossi. All up its a very smart strategy. Well see if it pays off but imo it already has. Next the pressure will slowly go on to, yes you guessed it, Vinales.

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birdman said:

Boring, and you left out 'hater'.

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p4p1 said:

I'd just like to point out that Marquez doesn't know what mistake he made it why he crashed. Normally he(and other riders) knew exactly what they did. It's fair to say this is another Michelin inconsistency crash.

Didn't Rossi have one last year at COTA where he didn't do anything wrong but he ended up sliding down the road?

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moto vudu said:

You're actually supporting my argument. It was Kesh that was claiming Marc's RCV was "ill-handling" and that's why he was pushing so hard at the start. Yes, Marc said he felt good on the bike and had no such complaints. That said, he knew #25 also felt good and it's not a stretch to say Marc really wanted to build up a gap and was willing to take on more risk to do so.

Pedrosa was getting more out-of-shape on the brakes than Marquez. It was Pedrosa (like I stated) that should've taken the multiple times he bike snapped sideways as a warning that he was exceeding the limit and a crash was likely imminent if he kept it up.

Not sure how you thought you could fit Lorenzo @ Assen 2016 into this discussion, but Marquez could've started the race like it was 22 laps long stead of 7.

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