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  • When your conspiracy is proven false, attempt to save face by going back 2 years and claiming Uccio is an even bigger conspiracy theorist so the subject should be changed to him.
How was the conspiracy (not his or mine anyway in regard to this race at least) proven false?

Because David Emmett wrote an opinion piece, probably from Holland, about a race in Argentina? Dean Adams wrote one from wherever he is in the USA which put a different slant on the exact same press/whatever release DB posted which once again had been available for hours and which I, and I suspect everyone else, had already read; it was posted on crashnet for a start. At least DB was only a few hours behind everyone this time rather than many months as was the case when he posted the article about the Brno 2016 race. I personally would rate Dean Adams as having a similar level of credibility to you and JKant, but his opinion piece is out there just as David Emmett's is.

I wasn't going to bother posting about it again, but if you insist there is a direct quote from MM in DB's press release where he says that neither he nor any of the other riders at the safety committee meeting (13 in total) asked for the tyre, and that he himself had complained about the compound, and I quote "not about the profile and a different tyre". That is what is factual, and in "fact" counterfactual to what Michelin had said, whatever David Emmett may choose to opine.

Rossi's giant conspiracy announced to the whole world press which maligned his 2 main competitors at the time, in one case in regard to the rider's character, calling him a liar and a cheat, and in the case of the other discrediting the world title he subsequently won, a conspiracy he still holds to and has revisited this year, is entirely relevant in the face of your ridiculous indignation about a few posters on here suspecting him and/or Dorna of shenanigans.
 
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Nothing gets you guys rallied up before a race better than some tyre talk. Good warm up. Should be racey between Marc and Mav if everything goes smoothly off the start. Mav coming from 7th should be fun to watch. And I think we will see the marc who likes to pass today. I'm expecting some hard racing.
 
How was the conspiracy (not his or mine anyway in regard to this race at least) proven false?

Because David Emmett wrote an opinion piece, probably from Holland, about a race in Argentina? Dean Adams wrote one from wherever he is in the USA which put a different slant on the exact same press/whatever release DB posted which once again had been available for hours and I and I suspect everyone elsse had already read; it was posted on crashnet for a start. At least DB was only a few hours behind everyone this time rather than many months as was the case when he posted the article about the Brno 2016 race. I personally would rate Dean Adams as having a similar level of credibility to you and JKant, but his opinion piece is out there just as David Emmett's is.

I wasn't going to bother posting about it again, but if you insist there is a direct quote from MM in DB's press release where he says that neither he nor any of the other riders at the safety committee meeting (13 in total) asked for the tyre, and that he himself had complained about the compound, and I quote "not about the profile and a different tyre". That is what is factual, and in "fact" counterfactual to what Michelin had said, whatever David Emmett may choose to opine.

Rossi's giant conspiracy announced to the whole world press which maligned his 2 main competitors at the time, in one case in regard to the a rider's character,calling him a liar and a cheat, and in the case of the other discrediting the world title he subsequently won, a conspiracy he still holds to and has revisited this year, is entirely relevant in the face of your ridiculous indignation about a few posters on here suspecting him and/or Dorna of shenanigans.

I can't be the only one amused by MM stating how he didn't ask for the tires.

Makes you wonder what Crash's source was on that Marquez/Pedrosa/Crutchlow asking for the old front tire back. The record time with which they pushed out an article supposedly absolving Valentino of asking for anything can't be a coincidence...much the way Kropo's piece was timed perfectly.

I suppose we won't be getting any admittance from the usual suspects that perhaps it happened to be the usual Dorna machinations. All we're missing now is a vote ala 2012 on whether a tire should be withdrawn in favor of another one... :D
 
Nothing gets you guys rallied up before a race better than some tyre talk. Good warm up. Should be racey between Marc and Mav if everything goes smoothly off the start. Mav coming from 7th should be fun to watch. And I think we will see the marc who likes to pass today. I'm expecting some hard racing.

I don't think Mav coming from 7th is going to be fun to watch as it's fully expected for him to make his way up to the front. Rather there is no element of surprise to be had in his case, which is where the fun comes from; not knowing if he can or can't.
 
Nothing gets you guys rallied up before a race better than some tyre talk. Good warm up. Should be racey between Marc and Mav if everything goes smoothly off the start. Mav coming from 7th should be fun to watch. And I think we will see the marc who likes to pass today. I'm expecting some hard racing.

Should be an interesting race, I will have to watch the replay, even in Casey Stoner's heyday getting up at 4.00 am to watch a race exceeded my passion for the sport, considerable though that is.

I just had to pay 10 euros to add live timing to my subscription btw; I guess they are finally trying to get some money from those of us who have subscribed for many years and kept a cheaper rate, in my case having resisted all blandishments to upgrade to higher resolution. I am not worried about the subscription fee, it is an absolute bargain imo at the higher rate, but I could see it backfiring because I and I suspect others mainly subscribe for the live timing anyway, given I get all the sessions live on pay TV.
 
I can't be the only one amused by MM stating how he didn't ask for the tires.

Makes you wonder what Crash's source was on that Marquez/Pedrosa/Crutchlow asking for the old front tire back. The record time with which they pushed out an article supposedly absolving Valentino of asking for anything can't be a coincidence...much the way Kropo's piece was timed perfectly.

I suppose we won't be getting any admittance from the usual suspects that perhaps it happened to be the usual Dorna machinations. All we're missing now is a vote ala 2012 on whether a tire should be withdrawn in favor of another one... :D

What is particularly amusing is that DB and MV don't appear to have read the piece they consider to have proved their point of view.
 
David Emmett more credible than Dean from Superbike planet? What an outrageous suggestion.
It's Julian Ryder, for tire deflating sake. Which is why I am pretty sure his "rat" story is accurate. He has no axe to grind with Rossi, if you have ever read or heard anything that he has said over the years. And you would have to have read something of his, if you actually follow motorcycle racing.

I believe I posted on here some time ago that I had a post deleted from Moto Matters that questioned something concerning Rossi. There was no profanity and the post fit right in line with the subject matter. I have not been back to that site since. It was when he was financially struggling and asking for donations, as some of you are probably aware.
 
What is particularly amusing is that DB and MV don't appear to have read the piece they consider to have proved their point of view.

What part do you think I have not read?? Seeing as it's amusing you so much.
 
I was texting with a member here last night, and we were discussing about how unbelievable it is that a couple of members here post here solely because they are so bothered by the viewpoints some of us hold.

Imagine being so threatened by what gets discussed here, that your entire existence here is based on furiously trying to contradict everything here. And imagine saying you aren't bothered by anyone here, yet never miss an opportunity to mention myself and other posters showing just how obsessed you are with us. One such poster's entire existence revolves around me.

The dozens upon dozens of forums that exist out there which are sympathetic to pro-Rossi supporters and their various viewpoints, yet this backwater forum is where these posters go to because their tribal glory-hunting is not accepted here.

Incredible isn't it?

Why, that would be like moving to a town that is not sympathetic to whatever political views you hold, and then being upset that the town at large votes opposite of what you vote and believe in. You don't have any grounds to be upset since you knowingly come to a place that doesn't share your views/opinions.

Exactly. This fervent compulsion to shepard PS regulars onto "The Way" of right thinking is comparable to that of nut-case street preachers who stand on corners in Times Square. Just like the preachers, the Rossi Faithful believe God has sent them on a mission.
 
It's Julian Ryder, for tire deflating sake. Which is why I am pretty sure his "rat" story is accurate. He has no axe to grind with Rossi, if you have ever read or heard anything that he has said over the years. And you would have to have read something of his, if you actually follow motorcycle racing.

I believe I posted on here some time ago that I had a post deleted from Moto Matters that questioned something concerning Rossi. There was no profanity and the post fit right in line with the subject matter. I have not been back to that site since. It was when he was financially struggling and asking for donations, as some of you are probably aware.

I am pleased to be corrected then. I just saw that the attribution of the quote was to Superbike planet, and assumed it was Dean Adams who has been known to speculate and pretty much dismissed it. I don't look at Superbike planet now having dismissed it as being of a somewhat tabloid nature, but if there is real time stuff there from Julian Ryder on race weekends now I may have to re-evaluate this.

Julian Ryder I have much more time for and really enjoyed when he was a commentator on coverage we got in Australia, of WSBK iirc, which is probably decades ago now. He is also more mainstream and somewhat more likely than David Emmett to have immediate access to the riders, and may possibly be actually at the track.
 
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What is particularly amusing is that DB and MV don't appear to have read the piece they consider to have proved their point of view.

A quote from an actual rider which disproves their latest untenable position is selectively ignored. Kind of have to admire that cognitive dissonance.
 
Viñalez said something interesting predicting the race having 2faces. The rear tire spin favors Rossi, I suggest, by design.
 
Exactly. This fervent compulsion to shepard PS regulars onto "The Way" of right thinking is comparable to that of nut-case street preachers who stand on corners in Times Square. Just like the preachers, the Rossi Faithful believe God has sent them on a mission.

I like that analogy. MV and DB really do remind me a lot of those nutty NYC street preachers who preach nothing but damnation and all of that.
 
The direct quote from MM about not asking for the tyre concerned.

There lies the confusion of the entire story.
Several reports confirm that CC, MM, DP , AI, VR, AB at least, complained about the 2017 carcass . CC confirms it at the beginning of the article MM even supports a different tyre being tested.
MM says nobody asked for it, I don't dispute that.
What's so funny?
 
Viñalez said something interesting predicting the race having 2faces. The rear tire spin favors Rossi, I suggest, by design.

Well warm-up times say Rossi still may be far behind...

Maverick Vinales fastest during a dry morning warm-up for the Argentina MotoGP....

1. Maverick Viñales ESP Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1) 1m 39.620s [Lap 11/12] 328km/h (Top Speed)
2. Marc Marquez ESP Repsol Honda Team (RC213V) 1m 39.735s +0.115s [10/11] 329km/h
3. Cal Crutchlow GBR LCR Honda (RC213V) 1m 39.802s +0.182s [9/11] 326km/h
4. Alvaro Bautista ESP Aspar MotoGP Team (Desmosedici GP16) 1m 39.868s +0.248s [12/12] 332km/h
5. Scott Redding GBR Octo Pramac Racing (Desmosedici GP16) 1m 39.964s +0.344s [10/10] 333km/h

6. Andrea Iannone ITA Team Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR) 1m 39.989s +0.369s [8/11] 330km/h
7. Aleix Espargaro ESP Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP) 1m 40.148s +0.528s [5/11] 326km/h
8. Dani Pedrosa ESP Repsol Honda Team (RC213V) 1m 40.166s +0.546s [10/11] 326km/h
9. Jonas Folger GER Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1)* 1m 40.202s +0.582s [10/12] 328km/h
10. Danilo Petrucci ITA Octo Pramac Racing (Desmosedici GP17) 1m 40.288s +0.668s [11/12] 334km/h
11. Johann Zarco FRA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1)* 1m 40.308s +0.688s [12/12] 328km/h
12. Valentino Rossi ITA Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1) 1m 40.365s +0.745s [10/12] 329km/h
13. Hector Barbera ESP Reale Avintia Racing (Desmosedici GP16) 1m 40.386s +0.766s [11/12] 334km/h
14. Loris Baz FRA Reale Avintia Racing (Desmosedici GP15) 1m 40.512s +0.892s [10/12] 324km/h
15. Jorge Lorenzo ESP Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP17) 1m 40.547s +0.927s [8/12] 331km/h
16. Andrea Dovizioso ITA Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP17) 1m 40.561s +0.941s [11/12] 333km/h
17. Jack Miller AUS Estrella Galicia 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V) 1m 40.620s +1.000s [8/10] 326km/h
18. Alex Rins ESP Team Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)* 1m 40.667s +1.047s [11/12] 327km/h
19. Pol Espargaro ESP Red Bull KTM Factory Racing (RC16) 1m 41.430s +1.810s [11/11] 326km/h
20. Tito Rabat ESP Estrella Galicia 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V) 1m 41.434s +1.814s [8/11] 327km/h
21. Sam Lowes GBR Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP)* 1m 41.444s +1.824s [9/12] 324km/h
22. Karel Abraham CZE Aspar MotoGP Team (Desmosedici GP15) 1m 41.726s +2.106s [7/9] 329km/h
23. Bradley Smith GBR Red Bull KTM Factory Racing (RC16) 1m 41.928s +2.308s [11/12] 323km/h

If MM is going to win this race, he's going to have his work cut out for him. This may be a tire wear race down the stretch.
 
Maybe inside these eight riders [who asked for the older stiffer carcass with the 2017 profile], I can be there, but I complain about the compound of the tyre, not about the profile of the tyre and a different tyre. Looking at the data and what they say to us, this new tyre that they bring here and that they cancelled, can be better for my riding style because it is even stronger.

MV this is completely wrong. Marquez did not say this, he said that the riders never asked for a new carcass but complained that the rubber was too soft. He went on to say there was never any mention about a new carcass.
 
There lies the confusion of the entire story.
Several reports confirm that CC, MM, DP , AI, VR, AB at least, complained about the 2017 carcass . CC confirms it at the beginning of the article MM even supports a different tyre being tested.
MM says nobody asked for it, I don't dispute that.
What's so funny?

Again Dani, Marquez goes to great lengths to point out that nobody(except for Rossi) complained about the carcass or tyre construction just that he and others felt the rubber was too soft. The article you've quoted does remove some of his quote for some reason and I'm not sure why.
 
There lies the confusion of the entire story.
Several reports confirm that CC, MM, DP , AI, VR, AB at least, complained about the 2017 carcass . CC confirms it at the beginning of the article MM even supports a different tyre being tested.
MM says nobody asked for it, I don't dispute that.
What's so funny?

The crux of all this is that 8 riders including the Honda riders were supposed to have asked for the tyre concerned, and MM says none of the 13 at the meeting did, and it also now appears that it was Julian Ryder who was quoted from Superbikeplanet in a piece related to the safety meeting which mentions the press release concerned, who may be at the track and have actually talked to a rider or riders, possibly with rodent-like inclinations, as opposed to David Emmett who last I heard usually covered the fly-away rounds from Holland where he resides.

Again, I have never claimed that they are making tyres to suit Rossi and no-one else. I am strongly of the opinion that Dorna are not above manipulating the tyres to their own ends on occasion, and have given several examples of historical tyre decisions which have adversely affected both riders and manufacturers; if you want to call that a conspiracy theory that is your prerogative, but a conspiracy implies secrecy, and the Rossi getting the Bridgestones thing in 2008 is the only one of the examples I cite which was not done in plain daylight if Dorna did manipulate manners then.
 
The crux of all this is that 8 riders including the Honda riders were supposed to have asked for the tyre concerned, and MM says none of the 13 at the meeting did, and it also now appears that it was Julian Ryder who was quoted from Superbikeplanet in a piece related to the safety meeting which mentions the press release concerned, who may be at the track and have actually talked to a rider or riders, possibly with rodent-like inclinations, as opposed to David Emmett who last I heard usually covered the fly-away rounds from Holland where he resides.

Again, I have never claimed that they are making tyres to suit Rossi and no-one else. I am strongly of the opinion that Dorna are not above manipulating the tyres to their own ends on occasion, and have given several examples of historical tyre decisions which have adversely affected both riders and manufacturers; if you want to call that a conspiracy theory that is your prerogative, but a conspiracy implies secrecy, and the Rossi getting the Bridgestones thing in 2008 is the only one of the examples I cite which was not done in plain daylight if Dorna did manipulate manners then.

Julian Ryder is definitely at the track, he's on the bt sport commentary team.
Fact is Michael, you always have a go at myself and MV when we refute these stupid claims of conspiracy to supply Rossi especially. You always quote Sepang 2015 as your justification for that.
You never ever take a contrary position to these claims though. It's like you always choose the easier targets.
 

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