MotoGP: 2016 Round 02 - Gran Premio Motul de la República Argentina (SPOILERS)

littlesparrows said:

no one ever said he was the first dude to do this.

i'm just sayin' it's admirable & i really enjoy the heart the dude has.

i love how i can't post something positive on this forum, ever.

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Who said you can't? You did post something positive lol.

littlesparrows said:

no one ever said he was the first dude to do this.

i'm just sayin' it's admirable & i really enjoy the heart the dude has.

i love how i can't post something positive on this forum, ever.

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It was a great post, my respect for dovi grew immensely after that.
I always say that while I think Iannone is a faster all out rider, Dovi is a great developer and prob the guy I would go have a beer wit friday night.

Jumkie said:

That was a nice piece. Its true, Dovi does not get the credit and admiration he deserves. Dovi is the Italian version of Hayden in my opinion. His quiet professionalism and modesty is a contrast to the divas. Dovi was once asked why people don't pay attention to him, his response was because he isn't an ......... I love that response. His tenacity is also underrated. He fights back for position with the best of them.

I feel a bit bad for Iannone because I don't think his move came from a place of arrogance, cynicism, or rage, but rather a genuine red mist for position. Of course it was boneheaded and stupid. But unlike other torpedoes which I believe had an element of maliciousness, I think like Simoncelli, they were misplaced zeal and in this case a complete loss of the plot; if beating your teammate is the primary mission, taking him out is the ultimate transgression. Frankly it's practically unforgivable. I'm sure it's bias since I like the guy, but after initially wanting to crucify the guy yesterday, today I just wish it's a point of revelation like the one that Marquez seems to have made and one I believe Simoncelli had made as well but we never got to see.

Talk about hero to zero. Iannone's determination was fantastic at last year's Phillip Island race, and it was looking similar again at Argentina. Had he settled for the podium I can imagine all the posts written in homage to him, Dovi, Ducati, etc. It's definitely a career low point. But if I'm honest, his racing has provided some fantastic thrills. I hope he figures out discretion is the better part of valor.

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Dovi is A slightly less gayer version of Ryan Dungey

littlesparrows said:

*edit* without it being followed up by something negative.

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Making an observation that he wasn't the first person to do it yesterday was a fair and valid point.

You smell what I'm cooking, jabroni?

littlesparrows said:

*edit* without it being followed up by something negative.

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Thats not true. Noone says anything about all that ...... music you post

JPSLotus said:

Dovizioso wasn't even the first guy to push his bike across the line yesterday.

Norrodin did it in the Moto3 race after he high-sided before the final corner. We should talk about that one first before Dovizioso.

Jums, Italian version of Hayden isn't exactly what I'd call a glowing recommendation to some degree. Given Nicky's penchant for being unable to take the fight to other riders when absolutely necessary, Dovizioso has a lot of the same tendency. Well, he's a bit stronger, but he seems to be a guy who while capable of being a pest during a race with regards to sticking to the rear of someone...but I also view it somewhat as a guy who needs someone to follow to bring out a greater race pace. 2011 told me everything I needed to know about Dovizioso: good rider that can possibly win if everything goes right, but doesn't have that ability to create his own fate.

Let's not lose sight that Stoner said the GP15 was a race winning bike and Dovizioso delivered nothing of the sort. The GP16 is another race winner, but whether it does win race(s) is another story. Ducati imo has a window in which to win grands prix, and much like last year, it's contingent on the first maybe quarter of the season. If the job doesn't get done, it's going to be another wasted season.

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I agree that Hayden is more inclined not to force the issue, but consider we are talking about the spectrum of barging others on the track (Rossi, old Marquez, Iannone, formerly Bautista, Depuniet) versus racing less aggressively (Pedrosa, Lorenzo, Dovi, new Marquez, Hayden). Personally my preference is for prudence.

In regards to my comparison of Nicky to Dovi, I'm talking about their character. I think Dovi is much more a fighter for position on the track than Hayden, but with little except both riders are not known for putting their bikes in spaces that don't exist. In this way their track behavior is an extension of their personal character. And that appeals to me personally. Loyalty, modesty, professionalism, self-responsibility, humility are staples of their personality. I'll also say, Nicky has been loyal to a fault, as I think it was a poor decision to stick with Honda, especially after grossly unmet expectations. As far as Dovi, consider he has beat most of his teammates in year end standings. Last year I think was one of few exceptions.

The difference between the Malaysian rider in Moto3 and Dovi pushing their bikes across is significant, and noteworthy. The Moto3 rider crashed himself out with an unforced error while Dovi was taken out by none other than his teammate. Huge difference. Dovi had every reason to let his anger erupt, nobody would have blamed him. But he had the self-control and presence of mind to push his bike from the gravel across the line. Contrast this with the Moto3 rider who apart from his act being self inflicted, it went a long way to make amends for his blunder. Dovi rose above a situation most of us would have handled differently, how many times have we seen riders instead go express their displeasure toward the other rider? I think Dovi deserves big ups.

Ducati is looking like a good bike. No doubt Stoner could win on it. However, consider this, Stoner could win on Pedrosa's bike and Rossi's bike too, of this I have no doubt. This is how I'd rank the current parity of these three manufacturers: M1, RCV, GP16. You're asking a guy to beat the other two inferior machine. Casey Stoner is an outlier bro. We can't really use him as a standard to assert Ducati can win the title because frankly Stoner could possibly do the same on a Honda or Yamaha. The current Ducati riders must still compete with the factory RCVs & M1s of the world. Then consider Honda and Yamaha have each excellent riders, one even with a particular influence on the development direction of the tires. I think Dovi has done well to have been second to a Yamaha round 1 and a Honda round two...well at least up until the last corner.

I agree that Ducati have pressure to do something early into the season. Unfortunately Iannone had much to do with that going down the toilet. We don't know where he might have ended up at Qatar had he not touched the white line. It's conceivable we could have had 2 Ducatis on the podium in both of the first two rounds. That's something. But look what's happening, the Influence Diva voiced his displeasure with the tire situation not aimed at Michelin (the guys that MAKE it tire) but rather at Ducati (the guys who are supposed to use the tire). I suspect the media and fans will gloss over what asinine logic that is, but then again it's never Rossi's fault, it's everything around him cheating him from wining.

Why is Pol Espargaro so upset that he got beat by two old ducs?
Said that Barbera was too aggressive.
He is just mad that he may lose his ride.

littlesparrows said:

no one ever said he was the first dude to do this.

i'm just sayin' it's admirable & i really enjoy the heart the dude has.

i love how i can't post something positive on this forum, ever.

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littlesparrows said:

*edit* without it being followed up by something negative.

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I thought JP was responding to me actually with his Hayden reference.

MotoChick said:

Thats not true. Noone says anything about all that ...... music you post

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oh right – because you post all your awesome music to prove you have better taste.

Jumkie said:

I thought JP was responding to me actually with his Hayden reference.

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I was, but you know how it goes....things taken out of context because well who the hell knows.

littlesparrows said:

oh right – because you post all your awesome music to prove you have better taste.

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Im looking for your GP takes. I dont see anything but music posts. Do you go to a music forum to post all your GP takes?

MotoChick said:

Im looking for your GP takes. I dont see anything but music posts. Do you go to a music forum to post all your GP takes?

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damn, i always forget that you post the most glorious insight about racing. .... - thanks for bringing me back down to earth. i'll .... right off now.

Another thing about Dovi and Iannone, I think they have to ride the Ducati closer to the limit than the Yamaha and Honda riders to get the results. Far less room for error why you're closer to the edge. Very important.

Edit to add: I think this is what Iannone was trying to do.

Nicky Hayden vs Andrea Dovizioso Indy 2013

MotoChick said:

Dovi is A slightly less gayer version of Ryan Dungey

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I hate Dungey. Can't stand the guy.

levigarrett said:

I hate Dungey. Can't stand the guy.

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What? Dungey is the Nicky Hayden of Supercross.

Jumkie said:

What? Dungey is the Nicky Hayden of Supercross.

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No, he's not. I just don't like the guy. I'm not sure why. I also think SX needs more talent than it has at the moment.

levigarrett said:

No, he's not. I just don't like the guy. I'm not sure why. I also think SX needs more talent than it has at the moment.

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Why? Because Dungey is smoking everybody? Ha!

There are some solid dudes out there, Dungey is just better. Plus, you got to admit, he's got Jesus on his side. Tomac, Roczen, Moosecan, Anderson, BamBam they all need Jesus.

can I post again?

Jumkie said:

What? Dungey is the Nicky Hayden of Supercross.

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Can I be the Nicky Hayden if something?

Like the Nicky Hayden of afternoon snacks? Or the Nicky Hayden of paper, rocks and scissors?

Maybe the Nicky Hayden of .........gary??

Jumkie said:

Why? Because Dungey is smoking everybody? Ha!

There are some solid dudes out there, Dungey is just better. Plus, you got to admit, he's got Jesus on his side. Tomac, Roczen, Moosecan, Anderson, BamBam they all need Jesus.

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Yeah, I noticed that also. Lots of Jeezus these days in the SX paddock.