MotoGP: 2015 Round 17 - Shell Malaysia Motorcycle Grand Prix (SPOILERS)

michaelm · Oct 26, 2015

Jumkie said:
Perhaps then we should reverse Marquez disqualification at PI because it was more admirable for his rivals to beat him by points accumulation on the track?

What Lorenzo said was exactly what I imagine Stoner saying in such a circumstance.Since when did calling a spade a spade become disengenious? That he voiced calling ........ on Race Direction IS "admirable." The folly is to equate it as not wanting to contest the points on the track.

Again I was making a point in isolation, that regardless of anything else Jorge wasn't just trying to take advantage of something which happened behind him and didn't involve him, he did suffer harm himself, in that he could argue he has a 7 point rather than 4 point deficit as a result of MM being taken out.

I do think it would have been totally unjust btw for MM to have lost the 2013 title as a result of the total DORNA snafu that was PI 2013, although it is his responsibility that he has kept the ........ crew.

Arrabbiata1 · Oct 27, 2015

Keshav said:

I slept on that floor...it was magic.

Wait -

???? Behind Wills, Is that a picture of a GSE Ducati Jum??? ...

... Is that Toseland on the wall of your garage??!!!??? Haaaaa! I never noticed that.

RCV600RR · Oct 27, 2015

Jumkie said:
You may want to check who won the PI race. The perversion being that Marquez was "helping" Lorenzo by beating him is frankly a commentary about those believing the ........ Rossi told you to believe.

The fact that MM won at PI does not mean that he was unable to hamper VR. He can, of course, do both. It could just mean that he was trying to prevent VR from reaching JL, but then he pulled the pin with a few laps from the finish.

AI and VR both agreed that MM was 'playing' with them.

I personally cannot be confident either way about the PI race.

RCV600RR · Oct 27, 2015

Jumkie said:
People have died in LESS INTENTIONAL incidents. At this very circuit no less. Rossi INTENTIONALLY used his machine as a weapon. He admitted this fact. Undisputed.

Um...but that's not attempted murder.

You're not doing yourself any favours by insisting on this point. I suggest that you look up the definition of attempted murder.

Jumkie said:
What you are disputing is the outcome,

No I'm not.

Look up actus reus and mens rea, then come back to me.

#22 · Oct 27, 2015

Keshav said:
So what in your opinion would constitute legitimate "evidence?" You expecting CSI Sepang to show up and take DNA samples and fingerprints?

You do recognize the concept of Empirical Evidence? If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck and smells like a duck, chances are good ... (unless one is totally obtuse) one has to admit, it's a duck. Even in proper courts of law - judges hand down decisions that are based on common sense and analogical substantiation.

Yes but the flip side is without facts. It's open to interpretation. What about those funky pictures where some people see a rabbit and some see a duck?

I am a JL fan, I used to respect the fact that VR could ride a bike, but seeing his complete mental breakdown this weekend and the actions that followed have quashed any remaining respect I had for him. I don't particularly root for MM but again respect his riding abilities.

I don't know if VR 'kicked' MM and frankly I don't care. What I do care about was Marquez touched Rossi at least twice because he was trying to avoid being driven off the track deliberately by VR

I personally believe MM was struggling for pace early on in the race. He ran wide at T15 on both laps 2 and 3, and at T4 on lap 2 when Lorenzo passed him and then made considerable distance to him. Also, watch MM's bike through T6/7 after Rossi passes him, he almost loses it.

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Jumkie said:
The apocalypse is nigh!

Holy ...., reading your post actually made me nervous. I bet Marquez has received death threats. No I'm being serious. This has got totally out of hand.

Its a total cult and the leader is Evil. Our sport has been damaged!

I'm just jaw dropped, do these people have so little in their lives that this means so much to them?

JPSLotus said:
Rossi does believe in his own myth that he is untouchable.

Simoncelli thought the same thing.

Do you need to rewatch the press conference with Jorge Lorenzo again where he said as much, and Marco pretty much laughed it off?

Rossi put Casey Stoner at a huge risk at Laguna 08 with that dumb ....... .... he did there at high speeds.

Trying to minimize this because it didn't happen at a higher speed is ludicrous.

I brought that up before, everyone laughed when MS said "I'll be arrested" and just laughed off JL's comments that someone could get hurt. They weren't laughing come Malaysia sadly...

Dr No · Oct 27, 2015

RCV600RR said:
The fact that MM won at PI does not mean that he was unable to hamper VR. He can, of course, do both. It could just mean that he was trying to prevent VR from reaching JL, but then he pulled the pin with a few laps from the finish.

AI and VR both agreed that MM was 'playing' with them.

I personally cannot be confident either way about the PI race.

I find that Iannone quote - playing with us - maddeningly ambiguous. Depending on perspective, it could mean; Marquez was so much faster that it wss as though he was playing; or that he was playing with us capriciously to slow us or that he was manipulating our soapy ballsacks in the group shower....
Who knows....and why did no one ask for clarification? My guess, the journos were already in thrall to Vale's narrative.

michaelm · Oct 27, 2015

Dr No said:
I find that Iannone quote - playing with us - maddeningly ambiguous. Depending on perspective, it could mean; Marquez was so much faster that it wss as though he was playing; or that he was playing with us capriciously to slow us or that he was manipulating our soapy ballsacks in the group shower....
Who knows....and why did no one ask for clarification? My guess, the journos were already in thrall to Vale's narrative.

Again, as I said on the other thread, particularly given that whatever strategy MM followed won him the race and apparently involved no illegality, why is any of this relevant and is every race winner henceforth going to be scrutinised by a panel of priests, rabbis, ministers of the Church of Rossi or whatever for moral purity post race?.

RCV600RR · Oct 27, 2015

Dr No said:
I find that Iannone quote - playing with us - maddeningly ambiguous. Depending on perspective, it could mean; Marquez was so much faster that it wss as though he was playing; or that he was playing with us capriciously to slow us or that he was manipulating our soapy ballsacks in the group shower....
Who knows....and why did no one ask for clarification? My guess, the journos were already in thrall to Vale's narrative.

Iannone didn't take the next step and say that he was playing to slow Rossi. It was inferred, I guess.

Anyway, my general opinion is that Rossi had no business running MM wide, even though MM was hindering him. Pass him, then gap him. Simple.

Pigeon · Oct 27, 2015

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Austin · Oct 27, 2015

Jumkie said:
I certainly believe one of them, because the other guy I observed (that is my eyes on the sequence of images that occurred) used the machine under his control as a weapon. And he admitted as much.

What do you base your belief Marc was lying? A hunch? Him running wide and assuming you know why? Him being accused by Rossi and assuming there is some truth? Overtaking Rossi after being overtaken himself, assuming only ONE of those had ill intent in the maneuver? You see, you don't think both are lying, as much as you think Rossi's overtaking was for pure reasons while Marc's were dubious. You believe one and not the other too my friend.

My belief has nothing to do with either rider's words. Like I said, I don't believe either of them. My belief stems from watching the racing. I'm no mind reader, it just looked to my eye that Marquez had a fightback about him when he was overtaken by Rossi that wasn't present when Lorenzo went past. That's all.

Arrabbiata1 said:
I slept on that floor...it was magic.

Wait -

???? Behind Wills, Is that a picture of a GSE Ducati Jum??? ...

... Is that Toseland on the wall of your garage??!!!??? Haaaaa! I never noticed that.

Shrines to Toes is a serious violation, Jum. This won't go down well with the elders.

Finally, after nearly 130 pages of some very yellow-looking bile, I felt this needed sharing.

There are few exceptions.

Keshav · Oct 27, 2015

JPSLotus said:
yawn

Hey! That's my line.

Keshav · Oct 27, 2015

MdubSTYLIE said:
Such a classy man that keshav is. That is why people like rog and myself will never in his lifetime except an apology from this child.

The above post is extended to you as well. (Saves me typing).

You and JKD talking about class or ethics. :spin::spin::spin::spin::spin::spin::spin:

MdubSTYLIE · Oct 27, 2015

Keshav said:
Hey! That's my line.

Keshav said:
The above post is extended to you as well. (Saves me typing).

You and JKD talking about class or ethics. :spin::spin::spin::spin::spin::spin::spin:

Keshav · Oct 27, 2015

Frack said:
You've been around long enough to know about me. For once I have nothing to say. I will not argue with racists. Ill let Duc and the mods sort this out

Listen you vacuous little putz. Show me any post I could have seen with a clear photograph of you or one that indicates your race or religion. You can't because no such post exists. You are a fraud through and through.

Note: more than anyone - you have insulted me and made horrendously bigoted and offensive posts about my religious affiliation and those - I can easily search for. Moreover - offensive Jew jokes have been made here as well - and I am half Jewish and you don't see me whining. So show me any evidence that I would know anything about your race or religion or STFU.

inam22 · Oct 27, 2015

Bad and dangerous move by Rossi and more then likely he will loose championship with this .... move. Penalty might not seem strong enough but it is enough for him to loose the championship so it will teach him a lesson not to do something stupid like this again. He has let him self down big time this weekend.

Dr No · Oct 27, 2015

Which banned ...... is Frack?
What's his former Nom de Guerre?

All these strange sign-ins are here and confusing me.

Keshav · Oct 27, 2015

Dr No said:
Which banned ...... is Frack?
What's his former Nom de Guerre?

All these strange sign-ins are here and confusing me.

Frack is the ever changing Johnny Knocked-Up.

Frick is Erm Dim Stool-sample.

MdubSTYLIE · Oct 27, 2015

Keshav said:
Learn to read. Your names are quite nicely embroidered on your shirts. Look again. Me... I'm the happy guy.
http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee134/Keshavdas/....%20Dub_zpsgqtqjv1s.jpg

Keshav I I I don't know what to say
https://youtu.be/oofSnsGkops

Jumkie · Oct 27, 2015

Keshav said:
Listen you vacuous little putz. Show me any post I could have seen with a clear photograph of you or one that indicates your race or religion. You can't because no such post exists. You are a fraud through and through.

For the record, Kesh you have repeatedly used a racist derogatory epithet: "Mexican Monkey--A term to discribe a half black half mexican person. They are lazy and don't speak english. In other words they are the bad part or the race." You began using this term when you became enraged and conducted one of thee most ugly flame wars this forum has ever seen. So let's not pretend you're not a racist.

But I will say this, I don't think you being a racist is your worst attribute, not by a long way. Many of us have engaged in a bit of bigotry, some mild and jokingly light hearted, and some cringe worthy. HOWEVER, you backstabbing those who offered their friendship openly and freely in a fit of self-righteous condescending rage through accusations, and bringing it to this forum openly or by commandeering the personal message system, has exposed you to be a dreadful miserable person. You are a pariah, not just a forum Kancer, but your pathetic insults have affected people in real life.

Haga2 · Oct 27, 2015

Exclude them all and give Dani the title!

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