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I have not written anything in support of what Rossi did. Many have, but I have not.
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I am quite sure that JPS can defend himself - may have even done so, but I've only read this far.
I have NOT said that this is a racing incident. I said that conflating it with MS's death was ludicrous for the reasons I give above, MM showing an inability to spot a large empty tarmac'd space for reasons best known to himself does not give VR the right to force him to the edge of the track and cause a crash. Those are the rules and hence the penalty.
BTW,in case you've not noticed, forcing a rider to the edge (and indeed over the edge) of the track is not new. It has been happening since time immemorial. Just it doesn't usually result in a crash and so doesn't usually attract penalties. It may well be dangerous, dependent on what is beyond the track limits and the speed of the track at that point, but it is not guaranteed to be so.
The crash is what Rossi was penalised for, not forcing MM to within 10ft of a white line on a dry track, beyond which was 70ft of nice smooth grippy tarmac, probably mostly marble free too....
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Marquez was not trying to avoid being driven over a white line 5-10ft away because there was a cliff, a wall or even gravel on the other side of that white line. In fact there was 70ft of tarmac the other side.
He could have opened the steering and headed for that, but apparently he needed to tighten his line twice, making contact with Rossi both times, when nearing that white line whilst doing all of 30mph. After the second contact came the crash.
I have seen Marquez' skill on a bike. Even this weekend in his 2nd run in quali he picked up what should have been a high speed crash for a lesser mortal on his knee/elbow and returned to the pits, only to come out again and set a faster lap time than he managed in his first run.....
The problem here is that there was always likely to be this sort of blow up, these two riders have a history of dirty riding and don't try and argue their case as several riders have complained about the way both have raced against them, including - funnily enough - each other.
Exactly! There was no reason whatsoever to hit rossi
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Something I've been thinking about is how Rossi would've attempted to handle the same situation he put Marc in. Lets say in his attempt to hold up Rossi, that Marc took Rossi wide and slowed down. Would Rossi have leaned into Marc to take his chances with contact the same way Marc did? Does Rossi continue to go off track and use the runoff area to go around Marc? Does he reach over and ..... slap Marc? How do you see Rossi handling that situation?
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In a parallel universe this has actually happened. Marc slows forces Vale off-line, Valentino tries to get by, Marc lashes out at Vale, Vale falls off - Exactly the same sequence of events unfolds in reverse...and 200 new members on this forum take the diametrically opposite view that they are now in support of their hero.
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Just curious..
After thee days, 1000 plus new post, 40+ new folks on the forum, and 1000's of hours spent reading "rational" debates on the The Great Clash of 2015, has anyone changed their mind from what they thought the second it happened?
After thee days, 1000 plus new post, 40+ new folks on the forum, and 1000's of hours spent reading "rational" debates on the The Great Clash of 2015, has anyone changed their mind from what they thought the second it happened?
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I haven't. With a helmet you become attuned to noticing when a rider is pointing it in a certain direction - if he's looking at the apex, studying the right etc. When you see Vale's heading twisting about as much as he did and him slowing and looking left whilst approaching a right handed corner, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to ascertain what his intentions are.
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Interestingly, most neutrals will tend to agree with you.
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The second it happened I thought Rossi brake checked Marc to cause him to go down.
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Look who pops up -- Gotcha, I thought this Frack could be you. Feel free to take those "all caps" words then, and paste them on your own narrow forehead.
Maybe in those rare instants of normal awareness, you (Frack or whoever) may realize that you are not offending me with such idiotic words, but are offending the dead. Now, do what you want, but it is always wiser to let the dead rest in peace, -- it never brings good luck messing with them.
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Listen, you're expecting the other rider to begin to turn in towards the turn 14 apex when you are coming out of turn 13's exit, and you move to the outside. Talking about MM's bike control isn't important, especially when the opponent does something that is never done with regards to slowing down, and running you wider than ever would be necessary for that turn. Once Valentino decided to not turn in to put himself on a line to hit the apex at turn 14, he set the chain of events in motion.
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No one is messing with the dead.
Stop with your hyperbole dude.
You freaked out over some perceived slight towards Marco Simoncelli which never was even close to what was being said. I saw nothing wrong with what Frack said as it was an observation he made...and given how close VR was with Simoncelli, you would think he'd have been a bit more circumspect in how he conducted himself...at Sepang of all places.
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Wait, Rossi was given 3 penalty points for running a rider off track. Hardly a penalty at all. 3 points would have been in practical terms, no consequence. Its because he has 1 point that he starts from the back. Imagine that, he deliberately uses his vehicle as a weapon and it would have been like it never happened.
Not sure why you feel the need to mention there was a bunch of run off. There could have been 72 virgins on a run off made of gold there, how is this relevant? Rossi deliberately ran a fellow competitor off. I seriously don't get why this is not considered a crime punishable by immediate execution. Its almost that bad.
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Burgess basically called Rossi a cranky old man, a man in his words, who behaved like a man he didn't know.
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J4rn0, you've gone as crazy as Rossi. I'm not Frack, and I'm pretty sure you knew this, given you had taken "0>=" interest in Kancer 's flam war.
Now debate me as to why Rossi is getting a pass by you and his rabid supporters for DELIBERATELY using his vehicle as a weapon to run a competitor off the track leading to a crash. And yes, Simoncelli's death is absolutely relevant! And yes Rossi of all people should be acutely aware of what he did to Marc is henious. Shame on you J4rn0, and shame on Race Direction, shame on Rossi, and shame on all you fuckers who lament Sics death but support Rossi's awful action to cause Marquez to crash. You sit there smugly buying into the perversion that Marc caused this by some imaginary provocation based singularly on Rossi's paranoia. Shame on you!
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