MotoGP: 2015 Round 17 - Shell Malaysia Motorcycle Grand Prix (SPOILERS)

What's the Pope's role in all this? When does he step in and bring Rossi and Marquez back together?

Frack said:

Just wanted to clarify that, while I have never been any sort of Angel on this forum, I have never attacked or insulted anyone thru Private Messages. A lot of what we say on the forum is a front and shouldnt be taken too seriously. What we say thru Private messages can only be construed as direct and personal. I would never use it as my personal bully puppet
For years I and a few others on the forum have seen Keshav as a nasty and bitter person. He denies this again and again and proclimates that he is a purveyor of peace.
Here is the unprovoked PM he just sent me.. You decide what kind of person would write this
Meet the real Kesh

Why I don't care.
I have an extra second so: Maybe some, unlike yourself, aren't playing to the cheap seats for likes and replies. Maybe, some unlike yourself, have lives and aren't so lonely and pathetic that they have time to count my likes and replies (that is so sad and feeble). Maybe some unlike yourself, are here to discuss racing - which you still know nothing about. Maybe some, unlike you, aren't living in some mean-girl high school fantasy where you think you can break a person's spirit by not allowing them to sit at your table in the lunchroom. Maybe some here are not full of .... and don't pull lies out of their ... in order to try to taunt someone who knows you to be the most pitiful troll on the forum.

I really don't understand why you think I give a .... about you or anything you say you sad little canker sore.

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Such a classy man that keshav is. That is why people like rog and myself will never in his lifetime except an apology from this child.

xx CURVE xx said:

Good read from Krop.. i agree they're all ........ lol
https://m.motomatters.com/analysis/2015/10/27/2015_sepang_motogp_round_up_heroes_who_h.html

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Great read.. Everyone should read that about 4 times...

Jumkie said:

The apocalypse is nigh!

Holy ...., reading your post actually made me nervous. I bet Marquez has received death threats. No I'm being serious. This has got totally out of hand.

Its a total cult and the leader is Evil. Our sport has been damaged!

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The solution is easy. We start a fund to have Rossi assassinated to save the sport.

WVMotoGP99 said:

Great read.. Everyone should read that about 4 times...

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The masses seem to want more blood than this article offers... Lots more blood.

Frack said:

Anyone got a link? I wanna sign it

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You're looking for the missing link? Oh the irony!

J4rn0 said:

THIS IS THE MOST DISGUSTING COMMENT I EVER READ -- YOU ARE AN IMMENSE PILE OF ...., A ....... ..... WHO MAKES THE MOST STUPID FANS OF VALENTINO ROSSI LOOK LIKE GENTLEMEN IN COMPARISON. GO BACK TO THE SEWAGE DRAINS YOU CAME FROM, YOU RAT.

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Wait, so this is offensive? I agree 100% with what Frack said. Rossi should be acutely aware of what can happen in a crash, including DEATH! Yakama46 suggests 40mph is too slow to cause a death? Wrong. I think your blind support for Rossi has caused you to lose your objectivity. Rossi deliberately tried to run off a fellow competitor from the racing surface, causing a CRASH. So are you unaware the unintended and unpredictable consequences that could occur? A person can become paralyzed 5mph. Even your cult hero Rossi said "I didnt mean to make him crash. " Do you understand what that means? Supposedly, if you believe him, he just admitted there are unintended consequences to a dangerous deliberate move. He deliberately ran a rider off the clean surface was his intention, but a crash occurred!!!! This is proof nobody can predict what can happen when he chose to use his machine of steal under his control as a WEAPON.



You want to know what is OFFENSIVE? You supporting a rider who just attempted deliberately to injury a fellow competitor! Put that in all caps!

Keshav said:

You're looking for the missing link? Oh the irony!

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Thats actually witty. Good job. Not very race informative though.

JPSLotus said:

The immediate reactions after MM went down were horrifying.

I think though you can tell the difference between racing fans and whatever you want to call the contingent following VR. I think bopper is too nice now. Most RACING fans I know have all said VR was in the wrong on this, and that he should have been DQ'd for it...in particular because it is motorcycle racing where even some contact could result in a severe or fatal injury if things go wrong quickly.

Unfortunately, most of the people advocating that MM gets taken out, death threats, and so on, are not racing fans. If you are a racing fan you would know VR's move should have been really a DQ or something that would have eliminated him from winning that title.

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In all seriousness, it's no secret that the unwashed masses are mostly incredibly stupid. I've been on this forum since 2007 and never seen such an infestation of Rossi-zombies in a 48 hr period. It's absolutely stupefying.

yamaka46 said:

40mph corner at full racing speed, which neither of them were doing. 70ft of tarmac run-off.

Your comment of Rossi being a "nutcase" and "believing his own hype" was in answer to Frack's comment on MS58s death, which is why I quoted you both.

Even if you believe that Rossi deserves being classified as such for Jerez 2005, LS 2007 etc., Sepang 2011 was not one of those times.

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Buddy, 40mph is plenty to cause death, paralysis, or other serious injury.

I'm astonished how brazenly Rossi's dangerous actions have been accepted by seemingly normal people. Worse the professionals in charge to police this sort if thing. This was NOT A RACING INCIDENT. This was a deliberate move by Rossi to force a fellow competitor off the racing surface. Nothing can be more dang5, more obvious, (he admitted it) and it should have been punished in the highest form possible.

Frack said:

Just wanted to clarify that, while I have never been any sort of Angel on this forum, I have never attacked or insulted anyone thru Private Messages. A lot of what we say on the forum is a front and shouldnt be taken too seriously. What we say thru Private messages can only be construed as direct and personal. I would never use it as my personal bully puppet
For years I and a few others on the forum have seen Keshav as a nasty and bitter person. He denies this again and again and proclimates that he is a purveyor of peace.
Here is the unprovoked PM he just sent me.. You decide what kind of person would write this
Meet the real Kesh

Why I don't care.

I have an extra second so: Maybe some, unlike yourself, aren't playing to the cheap seats for likes and replies. Maybe, some unlike yourself, have lives and aren't so lonely and pathetic that they have time to count my likes and replies (that is so sad and feeble). Maybe some unlike yourself, are here to discuss racing - which you still know nothing about. Maybe some, unlike you, aren't living in some mean-girl high school fantasy where you think you can break a person's spirit by not allowing them to sit at your table in the lunchroom. Maybe some here are not full of .... and don't pull lies out of their ... in order to try to taunt someone who knows you to be the most pitiful troll on the forum.

I really don't understand why you think I give a .... about you or anything you say you sad little canker sore.

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All you ever do is provoke. and then you call for the Wahhbulance when someone responds in kind. ....... cry baby.

Frack said:

Just wanted to clarify that, while I have never been any sort of Angel on this forum, I have never attacked or insulted anyone thru Private Messages. A lot of what we say on the forum is a front and shouldnt be taken too seriously. What we say thru Private messages can only be construed as direct and personal. I would never use it as my personal bully puppet
For years I and a few others on the forum have seen Keshav as a nasty and bitter person. He denies this again and again and proclimates that he is a purveyor of peace.
Here is the unprovoked PM he just sent me.. You decide what kind of person would write this
Meet the real Kesh

Why I don't care.
I have an extra second so: Maybe some, unlike yourself, aren't playing to the cheap seats for likes and replies. Maybe, some unlike yourself, have lives and aren't so lonely and pathetic that they have time to count my likes and replies (that is so sad and feeble). Maybe some unlike yourself, are here to discuss racing - which you still know nothing about. Maybe some, unlike you, aren't living in some mean-girl high school fantasy where you think you can break a person's spirit by not allowing them to sit at your table in the lunchroom. Maybe some here are not full of .... and don't pull lies out of their ... in order to try to taunt someone who knows you to be the most pitiful troll on the forum.

I really don't understand why you think I give a .... about you or anything you say you sad little canker sore.

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Kancer.

MdubSTYLIE said:

Thats actually witty. Good job. Not very race informative though.

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It would be funny Dub but as you know my mother is African American and Im sure he knows this. Its a thinly veiled racist comment. Ive heard comments like this my whole life from bigots like him

Jumkie said:

Kancer.

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Frack said:

It would be funny Dub but as you know my mother is African American and Im sure he knows this. Its a thinly veiled racist comment. Ive heard comments like this my whole life from bigots like him

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That's a stretch even for you. I have no idea what you look like. You've never had the nerve to post any actual image of yourself on this forum and I don't even know your name. The only picture I've seen of you is this one.

Keshav said:

That's a stretch even for you. I have no idea what you look like. You've never had the nerve to post any actual image of yourself on this forum and I don't even know your name. The only picture I've seen of you is this one.

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You've been around long enough to know about me. For once I have nothing to say. I will not argue with racists. Ill let Duc and the mods sort this out

JPSLotus said:

Actually I think what Frack is saying, is that given Rossi had front row seats to his friend being killed, you would think he would have more respect for other riders given how quickly something can change. Instead he chooses to make a stand against Marc Marquez at Sepang International Circuit of all places, and puts MM at risk as a result.

What it tells you is that VR has learned precisely nothing about the virtue of clean racing.

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Exactly JPS. Every time I watch a race in Malaysia I cringe when seeing that corner. It wasnt just Rossi who seems tone deaf after going through such a traumatic event, its race direction as well

Just read Krop's piece on the incident. Most of it is good except I took issue with the tact of placing partial blame on the victim, I suppose a calculation that if he just blamed everyone he might sound impartial perhaps thinking that would make all the fans happy. I cannot accept the victim shaming of Marquez, this incident is quite clear, it was 100% Rossi's fault. The notion of provocation is utterly weak, in practical terms, non existent other than rationalization. There is nothing factual to validate or authenticate the claim. Blame on Marc is an absolute matter of misplaced faith, at best, at worst its faith of the naive, disengenious, ignorant, malicious, self-righteous variety!--I would debate this point with anyone! The idea Marc provoked it is the classic short skirt argument. Its the classic bully vs victim scenario where the one presiding takes the erroneous intuitive stance that 'both' must be guilty! Its wrong.


He also goes after Lorenzo because he had the integrity of calling ........ on Race Direction, a "loss of dignity" as he puts it. Because of course Mike Webb is infallible and is an excellent mind reader.

Overall as I said, it was a good piece as it attempted to make sense of it all. No disrespect to Krops, but I just come away with a feeling Rossi has got away with this all around, the few sane voices are of little consequence, perhaps only preserving the miniscule last shred of hope the human specie is not entirely lost. Lots of words, but not enough focus on the perpetrator who deliberately attacked another to inflict harm. The sport as an entity has kowtowed to the Tyranny of Rossi. Exploited by being Doctored for consumption. Its leader and his insane worshippers have with the help of the organizers and media turned this sport into less than a sham, it's accepted a participant's deliberate action to cause harm to another fellow participant, a predicament that could have resulted in serious bodily injury even death. Anybody thinking this is hyperbole is ignorant at best. And for what? At the expense of downtroding its own supposed principles and guidelines and worse, the duty we have to our fellow man. A harm to one is a harm to all...unless you are the popular kid that lines the pockets of the promoters with riches.

Make no mistake, this episode has exposed GP to be run by a few corrupt individuals bent on preserving the Golden Goose at the expense of integrity and worse, foregoing the duty to protect from deliberate attack to do bodily harm ALL its associates.

Jumkie said:

Just read Krop's piece on the incident. Most of it is good except I took issue with the tact of placing partial blame on the victim, I suppose a calculation that if he just blamed everyone he might sound impartial perhaps thinking that would make all the fans happy. I cannot accept the victim shaming of Marquez, this incident is quite clear, it was 100% Rossi's fault. There is nothing factual to prove otherwise. Blame on Marc is an absolute matter of misplaced faith, at best, at worst its faith of the naive, disengenious, ignorant, malicious, self-righteous variety!--I would debate this point with anyone! The idea Marc provoked it is the classic short skirt argument. He also goes after Lorenzo because he had the integrity of calling ........ on Race Direction, a "loss of dignity" as he puts it. Because of course Mike Webb is infallible and is an excellent mind reader.

Overall as I said, it was a good piece as it attempted to make sense of it all. No disrespect to Krops, but I just come away with a feeling Rossi has got away with this all around, the few sane voices are of little consequence, perhaps only preserving the miniscule last shred of hope the human specie is not entirely lost. The sport as an entity has kowtowed to the Tyranny of Rossi. Exploited by being Doctored for consumption. Its leader and his insane worshippers have with the help of the organizers and media turned this sport into less than a sham, it's accepted a participant's deliberate action to cause harm to another fellow participant, a predicament that could have resulted in serious bodily injury even death. Anybody thinking this is hyperbole is ignorant at best. And for what? At the expense of downtroding its own supposed principles and guidelines and worse, the duty we have to our fellow man. A harm to one is a harm to all...unless you are the popular kid that lines the pockets of the promoters with riches.

Make no mistake, this episode has exposed GP to be run by a few corrupt individuals bent on preserving the Golden Goose at the expense of integrity and worse, foregoing the duty to protect from deliberate harm ALL its associates.

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I was initially in agreement about Jorge's post race comment, and certainly there was no point making it, but if his point of view is that Rossi would otherwise have finished 4th and be only 4 points ahead of him except for Rossi cheating, for which he could possibly make a case, then his task for winning the championship is more difficult. It is less admirable if he wants the championship to be given to him without having to contest the last race.

michaelm said:

I was initially in agreement about Jorge's post race comment, and certainly there was no point making it, but if His point of view is that Rossi would otherwise have finished 4th and be only 4 points ahead of him except for Tossi cheating, for which he could possibly make a case, then his task for winning the championship is more difficult. It is less admirable if he wants the championship to be given to him without having to contest the last race.

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Perhaps then we should reverse Marquez disqualification at PI because it was more admirable for his rivals to beat him by points accumulation on the track?

What Lorenzo said was exactly what I imagine Stoner saying in such a circumstance.Since when did calling a spade a spade become disengenious? That he voiced calling ........ on Race Direction IS "admirable." The folly is to equate it as not wanting to contest the points on the track.