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Gaz said:
You weren't the only one making the point Jums for if you recall I asked the question of those saying 'the speed of the Ducati won X, Y and Z' as to why, if the results were based on straight line speed, why were we not racing drag bikes and living with their lack of cornering capability. From memory I am still waiting on answers and as you will see, from time to time I still dig up the 'speed' argument :)

I am not worried at about speed differentials as what one may lack in top end grunt it clearly had all over the others in cornering and so on. As they say, swings and roundabouts make the way.
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I think MM will try to win every race as he always does. If he was to favour one rider on the team of HRC's most bitter rivals, this would constitute a genuine distortion of the outcome of the championship imo. I have no problem with him defeating either or both Yamaha riders in the remaining races by outriding them.
 
michaelm said:
Joining Mensa or the top 1 percent society is usually fairly definitive proof of both idiocy and lack of real world achievement.

Mensa must also have relaxed their standards as far as mathematics go, Valentino was in his mid 20s in 2006.

No doubt Valentino is the superior rider overall, but discounting his self chosen 2 year Ducati adventure when Stoner spent 5 of the 7 years of his premier class career either similarly on a Ducati or on a neophyte 1 rider satellite team without the benefit of competitive tyres doesn't speak of you using your great mind particularly objectively.
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Who said I joined? I said I qualify.
The obvious point is that Vale is 6 years older, so comparing them in the same calendar year is like comparing apples and oranges. Obviously comparing a rookie Stoner to an experienced Vale is equally absurd. I'm simply manipulating statistics so they support my point, but I hope that is transparently obvious. It's all in fun. You will never convince a Stoner fan that Vale is superior, and vice versa. It's like comparing Bubba Stewart to Ricky Carmichael... Though like Vale, RC is obviously superior to anyone with even only MENSA-level intelligence.:happy:

ETA:...although neither is on Nicky Hayden's level.
 
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michaelm said:
Joining Mensa or the top 1 percent society is usually fairly definitive proof of both idiocy and lack of real world achievement.

Mensa must also have relaxed their standards as far as mathematics go, Valentino was in his mid 20s in 2006.

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Haha Spock. This is the first time you've made me laugh my ... off. Well done. Would love to see more of that from you
A typo and a joke within the last week. Michael, you must have a virus. You need to be rebooted
 
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yzthumpa said:
Who said I joined? I said I qualify.
The obvious point is that Vale is 6 years older, so comparing them in the same calendar year is like comparing apples and oranges. Obviously comparing a rookie Stoner to an experienced Vale is equally absurd. I'm simply manipulating statistics so they support my point, but I hope that is transparently obvious. It's all in fun. You will never convince a Stoner fan that Vale is superior, and vice versa. It's like comparing Bubba Stewart to Ricky Carmichael... Though like Vale, RC is obviously superior to anyone with even only MENSA-level intelligence.:happy:

ETA:...although neither is on Nicky Hayden's level.
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I did deliberately leave you some leeway, although there are some who would consider even contemplating eligibility for membership of such onanistic organisations to be perilous.

You doubtless bit on Jumkie's bait deliberately, but I still don't really see your argument. Valentino was 27 when Stoner joined the premier class in in 2006, and 33 when Stoner retired in 2012. The riders closest to him in total premier class wins are Mick Doohan who won the last of 5 successive titles at age 33, and Agostini who won his eighth and last, and (in the opinion of many) most impressive, title at the same age.

As Mick Doohan has said, what Valentino has managed which is particularly impressive and which he himself admittedly didn't manage is to remain at the absolute pinnacle of the sport for over a decade (getting on for 2 decades now several years later). If he wins an 8th premier class title at age 36 in the modern era this will be an achievement (particularly after the Ducati adventure and in view of his opponents being MM and Lorenzo) which I suspect will never be matched.
 
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MdubSTYLIE said:
Barry! What up doe? Its a long ....... trip from mars. I hope all is well.
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How did you know I was at yo ma's!! ??

You'll be pleased with me I have taken up mtbs.

Just popped in to check out PI ........ same ole same ole I see .......
Just more talk about mensastruation :rolleyes:
 
BarryMachine said:
How did you know I was at yo ma's!! ??

You'll be pleased with me I have taken up mtbs.

Just popped in to check out PI ........ same ole same ole I see .......
Just more talk about mensastruation :rolleyes:
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That is my step mother Bessie. ..... is a total cow. Glad to hear you've taken up mtb'ing. You should post some videos.
 
MdubSTYLIE said:
You should post some videos.
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Early stages yet and I am usually the video... er, but no vids of note yet.... I just cottoned on to the type of mtbing where I catch a ride to the top of the hill and hardly have to pedal ... pedalliing !! Thats for chumps. Tried that first ...... I'm no mensoid but I know thats crap.
 
BarryMachine said:
Early stages yet and I am usually the video... er, but no vids of note yet.... I just cottoned on to the type of mtbing where I catch a ride to the top of the hill and hardly have to pedal ... pedalliing !! Thats for chumps. Tried that first ...... I'm no mensoid but I know thats crap.
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Thats the only kind of mtbing you'll find me doing. I would love to shred some mountains in Australia. I would likely wad hard a few times enjoying the view.
 
michaelm said:
Joining Mensa or the top 1 percent society is usually fairly definitive proof of both idiocy and lack of real world achievement.

Mensa must also have relaxed their standards as far as mathematics go, Valentino was in his mid 20s in 2006.

No doubt Valentino is the superior rider overall, but discounting his self chosen 2 year Ducati adventure when Stoner spent 5 of the 7 years of his premier class career either similarly on a Ducati or on a neophyte 1 rider satellite team without the benefit of competitive tyres doesn't speak of you using your great mind particularly objectively.
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Mike! Hahaha dude, you need to invoke your comedic acumen more often. Haha this was good.


My only gripe is this, why do u insist on offering a bone. "Superior rider"? Based on what? I suspect had VR spent 07 to 013 on a Duc (without Dorna intervention ) he would have ended as a test rider along with Melandri. I know it's hard to imagine because we base his "superiority" on a career of 'special' treatment, but his years at Ducati should absolutely dispel any doubt.
 
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BarryMachine said:
Well I've just arrived here in PI .

Traffic was pretty bad.

Hope I haven't missed the race!!!
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Mexican Monkey, holy ..... I swear to Buddha I was just lamenting missing u with a couple of buddies. Nice splash post btw.
 
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MdubSTYLIE said:
Thats the only kind of mtbing you'll find me doing. I would love to shred some mountains in Australia. I would likely wad hard a few times enjoying the view.
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Just don't offer to race Barry, he won't turn up....
 
michaelm said:
although there are some who would consider even contemplating eligibility for membership of such onanistic organisations to be perilous.
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Yeah, that's what people usually say about things above their reach.:rolleyes:

It's downright hilarious how people will try to compare a guy with 2 premier class titles to a guy working on his 8th. It's the Stewart/Carmichael argument to a T.
 
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yzthumpa said:
Yeah, that's what people usually say about things above their reach.:rolleyes:

It's downright hilarious how people will try to compare a guy with 2 premier class titles to a guy working on his 8th. It's the Stewart/Carmichael argument to a T.
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I refuse to bow to you even in terms of onanism. Fairly irrelevant now several decades on and probably not very relevant even then, but I was more of a top 0.02% man myself.

I do know quite a few people who are smart by any criteria and obviously smarter than me, to some of whom I am related, and they seem to prefer to get on with being successful, in academia or business in the case of my relatives, or medicine in the case of multiple colleagues and friends, rather than worrying about whether they might qualify for Mensa.

Stoner for whatever reason obviously didn't have what it takes to continue at the top as long as Rossi has, as has no one else thus far, but the statistics of the period of overlap of their careers, which as I said and you have not refuted was hardly in Rossi's dotage, are what they are.
 
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michaelm said:
I refuse to bow to you even in terms of onanism. Fairly irrelevant now several decades on and probably not very relevant even then, but I was more of a top 0.02% man myself.

I do know quite a few people who are smart by any criteria and obviously smarter than me, to some of whom I am related, and they seem to prefer to get on with being successful, in academia or business in the case of my relatives, or medicine in the case of multiple colleagues and friends, rather than worrying about whether they might qualify for Mensa.

Stoner for whatever reason obviously didn't have what it takes to continue at the top as long as Rossi has, as has no one else thus far, but the statistics of the period of overlap of their careers, which as I said and you have not refuted was hardly in Rossi's dotage, are what they are.
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I "got on" quite well enough in dentistry until I retired 5 years ago at age 44, thank you.Casey had a riding style that meshed with his particular Ducati. Good for him. Vale's style did not mesh with the Ducati he was served. Good for Casey. If you want to judge Rossi by what he did in his 30's, let's take a glance at Stoner's results at that age. Oh wait....:(
 
yzthumpa said:
It's downright hilarious how people will try to compare a guy with 2 premier class titles to a guy working on his 8th.
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That's if you look at it on its face, scratching the surface reveals quite a different story. I seriously don't doubt if Ducati had been 'allowed' (yes, allowed, think about the implications ) to work exclusively with Bridgestone that Stoner may have had a run of titles from 2007-20XX. Fact is (yes Krops, a fact has been summoned) the tires changed, resulting to be the detriment of Ducati in 08. Similarly or conversely to 2001-2005 with the help of specially suited tires.

So Thumps, if you want to compare apples to apples, let's compare the years Rossi and Stoner were treated equally by the League. =0 years.
 
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