MotoGP: 2015 Round 16 - Pramac Australian Motorcycle Grand Prix (SPOILERS)

JPSLotus · Oct 19, 2015

yzthumpa said:
The ultimate whiner who benefitted greatly from an overpowered Duc and a Honda in the peak of it's turn at the top of the cycle…Great rider no doubt, but I'll never forgive him for his "ambition outweighs talent" comment about Rossi.
I am kind of surprised that Marc's success didn't coax him out of retirement. He wanted…nay, NEEDED…GP to miss him, and miss him greatly. Marc made him the forgotten man. I honestly thought he'd try to make a comeback to reaffirm himself as the greatest rider he ever knew.

Ahhhhhh, you reveal yourself to be nothing more than a nutcase.

Sad, I had such high hopes for you, and then you make the DUMBEST possible post here.

Overpowered Ducati...lol.

Loris Capirossi is the last person not named Casey Stoner to win on the Desmosedici at Motegi 2007. So, in the following 8 years, we have not seen a single Ducati victory by anyone other than Casey Stoner. We haven't seen a Ducati victory since Casey Stoner left 5 years ago. We saw no one other than Casey Stoner score a victory on a motorcycle with a carbon fiber chassis. We watched Rossi nearly destroy his entire career till he got the DORNA bailout to go running back to Yamaha, because he imagined the Ducati was not that difficult of a bike to ride.

In fact, we had the privilege, of watching Rossi get brought back to earth much to the dismay of the boppers, solely because of Stoner.

Stoner once he got off of the LCR onto the Ducati, was unbeaten at Phillip Island from 2007 thru 2012. It didn't matter that he had the most difficult bike to ride --a bike that gave no feedback because of the stiffness-- he won on a pure rider's circuit.

Casey left because he knew there was a life to be lived without MotoGP. He didn't need MotoGP to live life. Very few guys would be willing to walk away from it all at 27 years old, when he had at least another 8 years left at the top level of winning races and titles. He has nothing to prove, just compare his entire MotoGP run to Vale's. That tells you everything you need to know about what he did, and how that changed the perception of Vale to those who see more than just VR.

yzthumpa · Oct 19, 2015

JPSLotus said:
Ahhhhhh, you reveal yourself to be nothing more than a nutcase.

Sad, I had such high hopes for you, and then you make the DUMBEST possible post here.

Overpowered Ducati...lol.

Loris Capirossi is the last person not named Casey Stoner to win on the Desmosedici at Motegi 2007. So, in the following 8 years, we have not seen a single Ducati victory by anyone other than Casey Stoner. We haven't seen a Ducati victory since Casey Stoner left 5 years ago. We saw no one other than Casey Stoner score a victory on a motorcycle with a carbon fiber chassis. We watched Rossi nearly destroy his entire career till he got the DORNA bailout to go running back to Yamaha, because he imagined the Ducati was not that difficult of a bike to ride.

In fact, we had the privilege, of watching Rossi get brought back to earth much to the dismay of the boppers, solely because of Stoner.

Stoner once he got off of the LCR onto the Ducati, was unbeaten at Phillip Island from 2007 thru 2012. It didn't matter that he had the most difficult bike to ride --a bike that gave no feedback because of the stiffness-- he won on a pure rider's circuit.

Casey left because he knew there was a life to be lived without MotoGP. He didn't need MotoGP to live life. Very few guys would be willing to walk away from it all at 27 years old, when he had at least another 8 years left at the top level of winning races and titles. He has nothing to prove, just compare his entire MotoGP run to Vale's. That tells you everything you need to know about what he did, and how that changed the perception of Vale to those who see more than just VR.

So you agree with Casey Stoner that Casey Stoner is the most talented rider of all time. Gotcha.

JPSLotus · Oct 19, 2015

yzthumpa said:
So you agree with Casey Stoner that Casey Stoner is the most talented rider of all time. Gotcha.

No, I just happen to agree with the facts.

Casey wasn't the most likable guy for many, so that tends to blind people to him. He was a guy in the Mick Doohan mold, and had he made his MotoGP debut 15 years before, in 1991, there would have been little uproar over his personality. Actually no one would have given a .... because there was a time when people didn't assess talent, achievements, and ability, based solely on a rider's personality. That's all sideshow ........ for the masses.

yzthumpa · Oct 19, 2015

I see what you mean. It's amazing that Rossi has built a following with such piss-poor results in his career.

JPSLotus · Oct 19, 2015

yzthumpa said:
I see what you mean. It's amazing that Rossi has built a following with such piss-poor results in his career.

I never said piss-poor results.

I did mention that his results during the years in which Casey Stoner was active became something completely different compared to the 5 years before Casey showed up. Try discerning a little bit better next time.

propagandhi · Oct 19, 2015

So...The Ducati wasn't the best bike 07-10? :-O
Please, tell us more. I mean ....,its been done to death. Surely u can dig up some stuff by us from 07-2012 in any thread.

I dare any of you to use the word throw back for Casey. Double dare you!

propagandhi · Oct 19, 2015

Bubble

Jumkie · Oct 19, 2015

propagandhi said:
So...The Ducati wasn't the best bike 07-10? :-O
Please, tell us more. I mean ....,its been done to death. Surely u can dig up some stuff by us from 07-2012 in any thread.

I dare any of you to use the word throw back for Casey. Double dare you!

Oh come on, Thumps is new man, he wasn't here to read all about it. Perhaps you can direct Thumps to the Kesh vs Heisman debate. Oh wait, you were on hiatus at the time. Crap.

yzthumpa · Oct 19, 2015

JPSLotus said:
I never said piss-poor results.

No, you said, "Actually no one would have given a .... because there was a time when people didn't assess talent, achievements, and ability, based SOLELY on a rider's personality," insinuating that he didn't have the results to back it up. I can discern quite well, thank you.

propagandhi · Oct 19, 2015

Not taking the piss out of him
Just glad we have a more redundant, less intelligent version of mental anarchist

yzthumpa · Oct 19, 2015

JPSLotus said:
I never said piss-poor results.

I did mention that his results during the years in which Casey Stoner was active became something completely different compared to the 5 years before Casey showed up. Try discerning a little bit better next time.

In the first 5 years that Stoner showed up, Rossi won MORE races than Stoner - 26-23, and that includes the year Rossi went out with a broken leg. Casey took the edge when Rossi switched to the Ducati. Props to CS for being the only rider to adapt to the Duc. Don't forget that Stoner didn't enter GP alone - a couple other "decent" guys accompanied him. I don't think that anyone can argue that the group of modern era aliens is one of the deepest fields in history, and it's even a further credit to VR's talent that he is still winning races against them at age 136 or however old he is.

JPSLotus · Oct 19, 2015

yzthumpa said:
In the first 5 years that Stoner showed up, Rossi won MORE races than Stoner - 26-23, and that includes the year Rossi went out with a broken leg. Casey took the edge when Rossi switched to the Ducati. Props to CS for being the only rider to adapt to the Duc. Don't forget that Stoner didn't enter GP alone - a couple other "decent" guys accompanied him. I don't think that anyone can argue that the group of modern era aliens is one of the deepest fields in history, and it's even a further credit to VR's talent that he is still winning races against them at age 136 or however old he is.

Over the period of 2006 thru 2012, CS had 38 wins, VR had 26. Remember 2006 thru 2012 is the only period that actually matters. Not your ........ of trying to minimize VR's failure at Ducati which is why you select the first 5 seasons of CS.

Total joke of an argument on your part. I cannot take you seriously since you tried to cherrypick the data to support your ........ claim, and your weak as .... position.

yzthumpa · Oct 19, 2015

Ohhh, so you want to boost Stoner's stats when Vale was in his mid-30's on a crap bike and Stoner was in the prime of his career…
And Vale won just as many titles as Stoner did during that span - even though he was past his prime and had notched 5 straight titles in the premier class in the preceding years.

Jumkie · Oct 19, 2015

yzthumpa said:
Ohhh, so you want to boost Stoner's stats when Vale was in his mid-30's on a crap bike and Stoner was in the prime of his career…

Yeah, speaking of crap bikes, out of curiosity, in your estimation what might the stats look like if Casey and Vale had been teammates from 2007-2013 at Ducati?

JPSLotus · Oct 19, 2015

yzthumpa said:
Ohhh, so you want to boost Stoner's stats when Vale was in his mid-30's on a crap bike and Stoner was in the prime of his career…

Serious question.

How ....... stupid are you actually?

It doesn't matter what choice VR made, or his age. They competed from 2006 to 2012 head-to-head.

yzthumpa · Oct 19, 2015

Jumkie said:
Yeah, speaking of crap bikes, out of curiosity, in your estimation what might the stats look like if Casey and Vale had been teammates from 2007-2013 at Ducati?

Different bikes suit different riders. Obviously, Stoner's best bike was the Ducati as he averaged more wins per season on the Duc than he did on the Honda

- so putting them on the same bike during that span would be irrelevant.

Dr No · Oct 19, 2015

Jumkie said:
Yeah, speaking of crap bikes, out of curiosity, in your estimation what might the stats look like if Casey and Vale had been teammates from 2007-2013 at Ducati?

A wall.
To stop Casey stealing all Vale's awesome Ducati data.

Frack · Oct 19, 2015

Isnt it about time for the Kancer Etiquette Doctrine speech?

yzthumpa · Oct 19, 2015

JPSLotus said:
Serious question.

How ....... stupid are you actually?

It doesn't matter what choice VR made, or his age. They competed from 2006 to 2012 head-to-head.

How stupid am I? My intelligence is in the top 1%. I'm overqualified for MENSA and qualify for the Top One Percent Society.
And like I said, in that span from '06-'12, they both won 2 titles each (which is the real goal of racing, right?) And again, we're comparing an aging Vale against a prime Casey here - if you want to add the first 5 years of Vale's career, he won another 5 straight titles. Stoner won 1 in his first 5 years. With that in mind, the question arises…How stupid are you actually?

Frack · Oct 19, 2015

Dr No said:
A wall.
To stop Casey stealing all Vale's awesome Ducati data.

A wall so Rossi wouldnt have to hear Caseys squealin

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