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How does Casey go about beating Rossi now...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jul 24 2008, 07:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So you reckon it was an intentional move and wasn't missing the corner then going straight ahead into the gravel??
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You are saying it was a line he planned and chose?

I recon you are a big jerk. The only surprice in that post would be that you didn't translate that into his "move" at Assen.
We were talking about the move where Rossi passed on the outside in turn 4.
 
Stoners bike prior to the electronics upgrade wasn't working up to its potential. Stoner always had his riding ability intact the bike was just not running right. The revised electronic/software allowed the bike to finally perform to its true potential. So what I mean to say is that it was able to be as fast as it is now from the start of the year but it was hindered by faulty components or software. That is a lot different (180 degrees) than saying he gained something on the rest of the field by upgrading the faulty system. It was broken and now it's fixed. Spinning it around to saying now he has an advantage is misleading. He was disadvantaged in the beginning. The bike has always been able to work this well and Stoner was always able to win any race he entered on it as long as it was working to its potential. Next years bike appears to be even better so Yamaha has to do more than just baby step its way along. They have barely gotten the air valve system integrated and reliable over the last 5 races. No question their engine technology is behind Ducati. Don't blame the superior electronics that ain't it.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Doc 79 @ Jul 24 2008, 12:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah John was commenting with the MotoGP crew. I watch it on the GP website, but I might rethink it next year, gettin ...... expensive.
I bailed on the GP site after 2006. Too much money for not enough content.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Jul 24 2008, 01:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think that's courtesy of Eurosport. Unless there is a different showing elswere they kindly put that pass inside one of their comercial breaks. An unusual long one I might add.
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That's why I haven't seen this, I was watching Eurosport. This was my first time watching them, now I understand what you all are talking about. Mamola makes dumb predictions every lap. "I guarantee Stoner is making his run at him right now. Here he goes!" (Stoner continues to stay behind Rossi) "He's just biding his time, Rossi is really getting a good drive off of those corners!"
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 24 2008, 06:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>there was no way rossi was in control when he passed casey through the corkscrew. i think it was when they touched on the aproach to the corkscrew that led to that move rather than a counculated desision to pass there.
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What roger, do you think you have some kind of special knowledge just because you were there watching it? I can tell much better on my computer monitor
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Sounds like you might have been spectating right on the corkscrew you lucky .......
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I believe the corkscrew is a quite 3 dimensional phenomenon so it sounds like you need to be at laguna seca or at least to have been there in the past to tell what is going on. If stoner nudged rossi on the way in then he really does have no cause for complaint. I have agreed all along it was a racing incident, but that stoner might have thought it was a calculated move.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Jul 25 2008, 11:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>but that stoner might have thought it was a calculated move.

I don't think Stoner thought it was a calculated move .... otherwise he would have not said a word .... it was just plain out of control riding was his beef.

I don't think many believe it was a calculated move, its just been touted by a few on here as if it was
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Just read Babels last few posts on in this thread!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Jul 24 2008, 07:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Don't blame the superior electronics that ain't it.

Ducati has always made a great engine, i just feel electronics have made the power delivery easier for them and the advantage Yamaha and Honda had in the corners by making a better chasis less important.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (an4rew @ Jul 25 2008, 03:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ducati has always made a great engine, i just feel electronics have made the power delivery easier for them and the advantage Yamaha and Honda had in the corners by making a better chasis less important.
This is not far from my view.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Doc 79 @ Jul 24 2008, 10:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Wrong. If properly balanced on a motorcycle that has significant wheelspin, it can substantial decrease your lap times by keeping the motorcycle from spinning the rear on corner exit.
Did you even read what I said? I said that if TC is used HEAVILY(so the parameters for ignition retardation are set conservatively) it significantly hinders forward progress.

I am not denying that TC, if utilized effectively, can cut lap times in some situations. You are making an irrelevant argument.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jul 24 2008, 09:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't think Stoner thought it was a calculated move .... otherwise he would have not said a word .... it was just plain out of control riding was his beef.

it's only out of control riding if it doesn't stick style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/.....gif
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RCV600RR @ Jul 25 2008, 04:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Did you even read what I said? I said that if TC is used HEAVILY(so the parameters for ignition retardation are set conservatively) it significantly hinders forward progress.

I am not denying that TC, if utilized effectively, can cut lap times in some situations. You are making an irrelevant argument.
YAWN.
 
It's Friday...boring. Might have a pint at lunch. It'll be a Fosters. Is there a good Italian beer?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Jul 25 2008, 08:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It's Friday...boring. Might have a pint at lunch. It'll be a Fosters. Is there a good Italian beer?
It's gotta be Nastro Azzuro just for old time Rossi sake. Does anyone know if that is any different from the Peroni Nastro Azzuro?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Jul 24 2008, 11:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Dude..it's motorcycle "RACING"...not ballroom dancing....do you even ride?
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dude. don't question my riding.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (an4rew @ Jul 24 2008, 10:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ducati has always made a great engine, i just feel electronics have made the power delivery easier for them and the advantage Yamaha and Honda had in the corners by making a better chasis less important.


well said andrew. defintely what i believe.
 

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