How does Casey go about beating Rossi now...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 31 2008, 06:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i said stoner fans loosing respect for him not rossi fans, sure a lot of rossi fans started to dislike him purly because he was beating vale, some lost respect for him because of his tantrums and nothing to do with beating vale but im reading a different tone from his own fans after his parc ferme comments.

I see no evidence of Stoner fans loosing the faith Rog, if anything I like the fact that he is showing his hackles rather than lying down like a dog and taking his medicine. I consider myself the typical Stoner fan, I agree he says silly things, but every time I drink my wife tells me that is my number one quality – ergo, this is forgivable.

What he does do is ride real fast, and he isn’t about to capitulate due to something as abstract as public opinion or as substantive as a bit of pressure. He does his real talking on the bike and it’s looking good right now. There is this huge misconception that second place and 20 points at Laguna was the death knell, this is wishfull thinking as there was only two riders in the field who wouldn't have given their left nut for that spot.

The two front runners have 4 race wins each, I would not be prepared to bet against either one of them on big odds right now and only the brave or foolhardy would.

I think Stoner fans have an equal claim of right with Rossi fans at the present point in time to thank their rider for giving us some racing and not having a single riding dominating as both of them have in the past. Most Stoner fans (IMO) are happy that he is back and a little pissed off and ready to race.

Just my opinion

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy Roo @ Aug 1 2008, 03:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I see no evidence of Stoner fans loosing the faith Rog, if anything I like the fact that he is showing his hackles rather than lying down like a dog and taking his medicine. I consider myself the typical Stoner fan, I agree he says silly things, but every time I drink my wife tells me that is my number one quality – ergo, this is forgivable.

What he does do is ride real fast, and he isn’t about to capitulate due to something as abstract as public opinion or as substantive as a bit of pressure. He does his real talking on the bike and it’s looking good right now. There is this huge misconception that second place and 20 points at Laguna was the death knell, this is wishfull thinking as there was only two riders in the field who wouldn't have given their left nut for that spot.

The two front runners have 4 race wins each, I would not be prepared to bet against either one of them on big odds right now and only the brave or foolhardy would.

I think Stoner fans have an equal claim of right with Rossi fans at the present point in time to thank their rider for giving us some racing and not having a single riding dominating as both of them have in the past. Most Stoner fans (IMO) are happy that he is back and a little pissed off and ready to race.

Just my opinion
Well Stoner will win it. So there is some faith for you. I am not only a stoner fan but Rossi is the greatest so I am a fan of his as well. So I guess I am a Rosstoner fan. LOL!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Aug 1 2008, 03:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well Stoner will win it. So there is some faith for you. I am not only a stoner fan but Rossi is the greatest so I am a fan of his as well. So I guess I am a Rosstoner fan. LOL!!

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Frizzle @ Jul 31 2008, 11:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Vale's pass through the corkscrew was a bit rough but having said that Casey had already been passed there earlier and should have rode a more defensive line approaching it from then on. Stoner was looking to zip away when Vale put it in the dirt, but his re entry back on the track made sure that didn't happen. Was that an out of control track re entry or a desperate attempt to ensure Stoner did not get past? I don't know. But either way the failure to shake hands afterwards should not be repeated again.
i reckon he did what he had to to stay on the bike to be honest. i agree with your post mate.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Aug 1 2008, 12:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No I saw all that .... but the elbow was way before the actual corner to me .... it did certainly "set the tone" for Casey that something was "on the boil" .... but what I found funny was ..... it was obvious that Casey was going to get the "inch" needed to enter the Corkscreww ..... but Vale was determined to get that inch ....... it then became obvious that to get that inch he had to put both of them in danger and the next few hundred metres were merely a disaster recovey scene from wacky races Just so happened that Stoner saw him in his predicament and in order to evade the possible consequences he had to go wide.

I think the thing with Stoner is ( and why he is pissed ) he did not expect Vale to get out of control, ask any racer, a bit of biff is fine, so long as your opponent is well in control. What anybody hates is when a rider gets to the point of being out of control ....... and is within "effect distance' for them ....... don't deny it ...... it happens the same for everybody.

But I still say, the expectation that any rider would not have had "words" for Rossi after that, is a shocker, and is why so many riders are not capable of stepping it up in motogp today. Its all a bit too dependent on not being assertive.

The majority of fans of motogp are still Rossifans, so there seems to be a prevailing sentiment to not ruffle the fans feathers with too many riders. SO when riders do not "praise the lord Rossi" after any race many are dissapointed ......

I would have shaken Rossi's hand if he had ridden to block me or fuster me ....... however this would have been under the condition that he did not hinder me dangerously. At the corkscrew he was waaaay out of control ......... that put a new "complexion" on the battle to me ........ and was worthy of chastisment. I most certainly would not shake his hand after the Corkscrew ..... matter of fact at least one "........" would have escaped my lips
well thats racing mate. i dont expect you to understand as you stated in another thread that you dont like close racing and would like to see motogp turned into a time trial !

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Aug 1 2008, 07:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>well thats racing mate. i dont expect you to understand as you stated in another thread that you dont like close racing and would like to see motogp turned into a time trial !

As I've said all along .... yes thats racing ..... as too is it the case when riders have a go at other riders with words. What gets me is the supreme sooking that goes on when Stoner says his piece .... nothing more ... nothing less.

The rossifans need to harden up a bit ... their god will be chastised when such tactics are used .... no sense having a cry about it ....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Aug 1 2008, 03:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>As I've said all along .... yes thats racing ..... as too is it the case when riders have a go at other riders with words. What gets me is the supreme sooking that goes on when Stoner says his piece .... nothing more ... nothing less.

The rossifans need to harden up a bit ... their god will be chastised when such tactics are used .... no sense having a cry about it ....
well there's saying your bit then there's whining because you lost the battle. 2 different things imo not that im bothered about it, im kinda used to it from casey now so don't really pay it much attention but the lack of handshake was a bit much imo.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Aug 1 2008, 09:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>well there's saying your bit then there's whining because you lost the battle. 2 different things imo not that im bothered about it, im kinda used to it from casey now so don't really pay it much attention but the lack of handshake was a bit much imo.


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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Aug 1 2008, 03:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
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I don't think he demoralises easily or permanently.

I personally could cope with occasional demoralisation quite well if similar consolation was readily available.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Aug 2 2008, 01:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>



Oh is that demoralisation!?

gee curve ....... you have me worried now





Some folk can't wait for the racing to begin again but .....silly season really is your time isn't it curve?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Aug 2 2008, 01:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't think he demoralises easily or permanently.

I personally could cope with occasional demoralisation quite well if similar consolation was readily available.

And for that Michael, I would pretend to be sad if it got me some consolation.

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Aug 1 2008, 05:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Some folk can't wait for the racing to begin again but .....silly season really is your time isn't it curve?

I wish the racing was year round...and it's always MY time brother