How does Casey go about beating Rossi now...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Doc 79 @ Jul 26 2008, 02:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Mostly novice stuff
Translation: all novice stuff.
Definition: Track days

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (an4rew @ Jul 25 2008, 05:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Its more tiresome listening to some of you guys defending immaturity.
I would probably grow tired of being told my religion wasn't all it's cracked up to be, too.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Jul 25 2008, 10:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ever seen the drop off Mount Panorama (otherwise known as Bathurst) in Australia (home of the annual V8 race)?

They did used to race bikes around the circuit which is a public road but crowd behaviour (read - riots) and the toll taken on the riders (fatalities) curbed it. Here is a taste though from 1981 (the drop off the mountain starts around 1:05). The commentary s from the rider (Dennis Neal) in realtime.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJSlro-47Ns

Things didn't go so well in the race for Dennis Neal though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfPQMIIvKgE






Garry


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That's amazing stuff Gaz. Truly a phenomenal track. I'm admittedly no racer, but that portion coming down the hill scared the .... out of me. I really don't enjoy tipping the bike over coming down as I'm constantly looking for front end feel and never seem to find it so that section would be right wicked.

And no offense to anyone here, I really respect the guys here that race at whatever level. It takes quite a commitment, much less the balls. But frankly, racing in this series or that really puts none of you guys in a position to critique any of the riders we are discussing. Go ahead and critique one another if you've raced with one another, that's a level you can understand. But what Rossi and Stoner and company do day in and day out is on another planet. Us mere mortals can't even comprehend what they're doing. And I know I have less credibility or experience than you guys on track so who am I to criticize, right? That's why I've really tried to get away from criticizing the actual riding. The .... even Westy and Guinters do is simply incomprehensible to me.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Doc 79 @ Jul 26 2008, 08:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If anyone is spouting and trolling a forum looking for arguments instead of discussion, its you ...... Go race your Honda 50 in your backyard some more. You're just as much an armchair racer as anyone else, so go buff your little league trophies and have your mom cut the crusts off your peanut butter sandwiches. I'd love to hear what an AMA hero you are to talk to anyone that way.

First of all the word is "trawling". Trolling is a variant on midget tossing, where you bowl with trolls, like Pedrobot. Secondly, I actually did race. I started out in AAMMR and WERA and went on to race with and manage Reverend Jim Racing in the early 80s, a small but effective privateer endurance racing team that contested the AMACCS series all across the USA. The reason I use that old photo of myself for my avatar, is because it was shot at Loudon, the weekend I saw my then hero Schwantz, (note: I was wearing a Schwantz replica helmet) as a young privateer, race the three-hour endurance race (club race) to get more open practice time (he passed me like four times) and then on the following day, walk away from the competition like they were standing still. Man he was he a ....... cowboy! Guys like you don't even qualify as weekend warriors. "Shut the .... up" is all you got.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Jul 26 2008, 08:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The .... even Westy and Guinters do is simply incomprehensible to me.


agree austin. i try not to do it as well. west would spank me twice on saturday, and 3 times on sunday. .... maybe even more. i give credit to ALL the guys. from the "lappers" or "backmarkers" in AMA all the way to the GP level. it takes a .... ton of talent to break into professional racing, much less compete for podiums at the GP's.

In all fairness.. shouldnt this topic be called How does rossi go about beating stoner ???.. I mean with the exception of laguna a tight twisty track where top speed doesnt play too much of a big advantage for the past 4 races stoners speed has been untouchable giving performances on par to last years season ( as much as i hate to say it ). I really do hope Jeremy and crew can pull something out of the bag to give rossi those extra tenths he needs to fight alongside stoner for the rest of the season.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dannyisnow @ Jul 27 2008, 01:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>In all fairness.. shouldnt this topic be called How does rossi go about beating stoner ???.. I mean with the exception of laguna a tight twisty track where top speed doesnt play too much of a big advantage for the past 4 races stoners speed has been untouchable giving performances on par to last years season ( as much as i hate to say it ). I really do hope Jeremy and crew can pull something out of the bag to give rossi those extra tenths he needs to fight alongside stoner for the rest of the season.

You have a good point. LC is as atypical as it gets and it's not many tracks where Rossi have any hope of making a pass stick with Stoners ability and the Ducati's power. But I'm affraid it's not up to the team to find that extra, they need the factory to come up with a decent launch control and some extra power in the lower rpm range.
Rossi himself will have to continue going all out the keep the lead.

But it will be an exciting fight

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dannyisnow @ Jul 27 2008, 12:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>In all fairness.. shouldnt this topic be called How does rossi go about beating stoner ???.. I mean with the exception of laguna a tight twisty track where top speed doesnt play too much of a big advantage for the past 4 races stoners speed has been untouchable giving performances on par to last years season ( as much as i hate to say it ). I really do hope Jeremy and crew can pull something out of the bag to give rossi those extra tenths he needs to fight alongside stoner for the rest of the season.
Just about every factory team is probarbly going to have upgraded bikes after the brake,it has been the same for several years.Didn't Rossi say in USA that Yamaha had some new electronics but they will not test it before BRNO.Yamaha could perhaps even have engine upgrades by then tor more output by a new exhaust or something.
It's going to be interresting to see what factory has made the most of the summerbrake.
I hope Suzuki's new bike is going to be a salvation to the troubles they 've been having by the way.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (djm @ Jul 26 2008, 09:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>you didn't offend me man. you just lied - that's all. lost some credit maybe.



who are you to speak about taking punches? you weren't even willing to get in the ring with us. it's like an old saying some of us had in the military: if you haven't served, you have no opinion. you have NO idea what we go through.



are you reading what you type? seriously? you start telling ppl to stfu, call them a ....., start spewing off .... about pb&j's and their mom's; and all from the compfort of your home. whatever heshav raced. whether it be 50cc scooters or 1000cc superbikes, i'd say it gives him more of an insight to racing then you'll ever have. i think you need to chill out, and act more your age. it's you that is provoking an arguement. keshav is only stating his opinions. grow up and back your opinions up without telling ppl to stfu.


now back to your regularly scheduled program....
What in the christ are you talking about?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GeePee @ Jul 26 2008, 09:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Translation: all novice stuff.
Definition: Track days
What have you done?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Jul 26 2008, 10:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>First of all the word is "trawling". Trolling is a variant on midget tossing, where you bowl with trolls, like Pedrobot. Secondly, I actually did race. I started out in AAMMR and WERA and went on to race with and manage Reverend Jim Racing in the early 80s, a small but effective privateer endurance racing team that contested the AMACCS series all across the USA. The reason I use that old photo of myself for my avatar, is because it was shot at Loudon, the weekend I saw my then hero Schwantz, (note: I was wearing a Schwantz replica helmet) as a young privateer, race the three-hour endurance race (club race) to get more open practice time (he passed me like four times) and then on the following day, walk away from the competition like they were standing still. Man he was he a ....... cowboy! Guys like you don't even qualify as weekend warriors. "Shut the .... up" is all you got.
You're my hero. Would you like me to throw you a parade? Or perhaps bake you some cookies? If I'm a novice "weekend" warrior, and you're the hardcore, seasoned racer, you should know better than to step on other people who gave it a go, and you should have learned about sportsmanship....or perhaps thats because for all your experience, you didn't win .... and you are grumpy about it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Doc 79 @ Jul 27 2008, 10:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What have you done?
This is where you and I have something in common.
For I too have done .... all.
I however am not a legend in my own mind.....
Not dis'ing you but when someone's had a bit of experience racing like Keshav & aren't talking themselves up I think you've got to respect that.
I do appreciate Keshav's recalled of his time at the track with Schwantz
Now this thread ain't about you, as much as you may wish it was, so back on topic.

I agree with dannyisnow's post. I also think it is Rossi who is under pressure to beat Casey.
Casey's lap times are consistantly quicker than Rossi's so Rossi will need to come up with something extra every race too beat Casey.
Rossi needs to push 100% to beat Casey at 95% if that makes sense.
2006 Rossi needed to do this to beat the Kentucky Fried Kid and came up with a mistake under pressure.

Stoner just has to maintain his competitive advantage. He has the speed, composure & package to beat Rossi every race. Stoner is the faster rider at just about every circuit & as long as he gets a good start (he'll be on front row every time) & stays clear of Rossi (avoids mind games, dirty Rossi passing moves) he'll beat Rossi and post back to back championships. Rossi's only real hope is that Stoner makes a mistake or that he can force one on Stoner. Rossi has admitted Stoner is the guy to beat & you need a gun stop him! Its evident Stoner is the one to beat I think, despite Rossi's point gap. That is a misleading statistic I believe considering Pedrosa's injuries & Stoner's issues with the Ducati earlier in the season.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AB#1 @ Jul 27 2008, 06:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Stoner just has to maintain his competitive advantage. He has the speed, composure & package to beat Rossi every race. Stoner is the faster rider at just about every circuit & as long as he gets a good start (he'll be on front row every time) & stays clear of Rossi (avoids mind games, dirty Rossi passing moves) he'll beat Rossi and post back to back championships. Rossi's only real hope is that Stoner makes a mistake or that he can force one on Stoner. Rossi has admitted Stoner is the guy to beat & you need a gun stop him! Its evident Stoner is the one to beat I think, despite Rossi's point gap. That is a misleading statistic I believe considering Pedrosa's injuries & Stoner's issues with the Ducati earlier in the season.


The thing is most overtaking is done on the brakes and Yamaha are kings in that department.
Valentino was not only noticeably later braking at Laguna but the bike was also a lot more stable whilst doing so.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GeePee @ Jul 27 2008, 02:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This is where you and I have something in common.
For I too have done .... all.
I however am not a legend in my own mind.....
Not dis'ing you but when someone's had a bit of experience racing like Keshav & aren't talking themselves up I think you've got to respect that.
I do appreciate Keshav's recalled of his time at the track with Schwantz
Now this thread ain't about you, as much as you may wish it was, so back on topic.

I agree with dannyisnow's post. I also think it is Rossi who is under pressure to beat Casey.
Casey's lap times are consistantly quicker than Rossi's so Rossi will need to come up with something extra every race too beat Casey.
Rossi needs to push 100% to beat Casey at 95% if that makes sense.
2006 Rossi needed to do this to beat the Kentucky Fried Kid and came up with a mistake under pressure.


Fair to say that Rossi is more at risk of making a mistake and losing that 1 race (25 point) advantage?

Casey just has to fast and be precise at every race to deal with this. He can learn how to bang fairings or whatever it is this is almost quixotically purported to be by the adoring fans.

Ride it like 2007, fast and precise, learn how "bang the glass" and let the others make the mistakes, even God makes mistakes.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Doc 79 @ Jul 26 2008, 10:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You're my hero. Would you like me to throw you a parade? Or perhaps bake you some cookies? If I'm a novice "weekend" warrior, and you're the hardcore, seasoned racer, you should know better than to step on other people who gave it a go, and you should have learned about sportsmanship....or perhaps thats because for all your experience, you didn't win .... and you are grumpy about it.

You can keep up the snotty high-school tough-kid come-backs till you're blue in the face - but it doesn't matter. Anyone here can see you're a poser. The real thing talks - ........ walks. Nobody stepped on you, except to point out how full of .... you are, with your infantile bully-boy talk and calling everyone ....... and telling people you don't agree with to shut the .... up. Nuff said. If you want to go on running your mouth, further pointing out how mokus you are - be my guest boy. I won't stand in your way.

Ride it like 2007, fast and precise, learn how "bang the glass" and let the others make the mistakes, even God makes mistakes.
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Exactly - that's what I was getting at much earlier. Tho it was a brilliant performance at Laguna - Rossi is not likely to repeat it given the other mistakes he's made while riding under much less pressure, to say nothing of mechanical failures, which he's about due for. Not that I'd wish that on any racer . . .

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Jul 27 2008, 10:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ride it like 2007, fast and precise, learn how "bang the glass" and let the others make the mistakes, even God makes mistakes.



Exactly - that's what I was getting at much earlier. Tho it was a brilliant performance at Laguna - Rossi is not likely to repeat it given the other mistakes he's made while riding under much less pressure, to say nothing of mechanical failures, which he's about due for. Not that I'd wish that on any racer . . .


ILoved your racing stories, I raced against Shane Watts (later world, ISDE and GNCC champ) in an enduro once (1995) got a lesson that made me realise I wasn't as fast as I thought I was.

Good stuff, don't go too hard on Doc79 - I had a quick look at his myspace page and he looks like he should be on a bike, although two of my favourite riders (Watts and Stoner) both looked like they should work in K-Mart but both went so blooooody fast.

I think Doc did little aesthetics at school and got good marks in it

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Anders GUZZI @ Jul 26 2008, 08:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I hope Suzuki's new bike is going to be a salvation to the troubles they 've been having by the way.

All I hope is that Suzuki tests the new bike with the new COG and it actually works. Because other than that they are still hopelessly behind and I can't stand to see them flounder forever with a bike having faulty handling. They have a top line world beating superbike and can't come together to be a threat in MotoGP. Brno test will be interesting in that regard for me. In Suzuki's drab way they will report on their site that things are good and getting better much like they have for the last 7 years without good results. Time to make the GS a threat.

Side note: I have only been on the track twice for 2 riding instruction days and it was great. I could have gotten into it a little harder but have 3 kids in university and ... well the dough just isn't there. I have been trying to put the money together just for a yosh pipe for the SV and haven't been able to for 3 years...rents, books god 2 more years and then I'll take another look. It'll be too late to compete but 4 track days a year would be fantastic. Riding on the street is getting kind of boring. I look at Rossi and Stoner and appreciate that I will never do that level of riding. But I know I can ride a lot better than I do now.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Jul 27 2008, 11:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>All I hope is that Suzuki tests the new bike with the new COG and it actually works. Because other than that they are still hopelessly behind and I can't stand to see them flounder forever with a bike having faulty handling. They have a top line world beating superbike and can't come together to be a threat in MotoGP. Brno test will be interesting in that regard for me. In Suzuki's drab way they will report on their site that things are good and getting better much like they have for the last 7 years without good results. Time to make the GS a threat.

Side note: I have only been on the track twice for 2 riding instruction days and it was great. I could have gotten into it a little harder but have 3 kids in university and ... well the dough just isn't there. I have been trying to put the money together just for a yosh pipe for the SV and haven't been able to for 3 years...rents, books god 2 more years and then I'll take another look. It'll be too late to compete but 4 track days a year would be fantastic. Riding on the street is getting kind of boring. I look at Rossi and Stoner and appreciate that I will never do that level of riding. But I know I can ride a lot better than I do now.
COG is center of gravity,right?
Yea,what i really meant was that the new bike has to be about ten steps up from what they've got now
so i agree.What they have now is about a year behind the competition.
I will have to disapoint you and confess i don't have a Suzuki.I want Suzuki to go well first because i want Capirossi to do well but also for the mix of competition.This season so far you have had to be on a
Honda,Yamaha or you would have to be Casey Stoner to win a race.
I haven't even been on any track day,but you have and i have no kids even!
Can you have loud aftermarket pipes on a bike when you're at a track day?
In Sweden we can't anyway,they make too much noise.But anyway it is probarbly a nice boost when you're on the road.
By the way i have a Moto Guzzi 1100sport inj -97.If you haven't seen it it looks like a Ducati 900ss with a half fairing,only a bit longer.So it looks and sounds really fast but it's not,but it's fast enough for me.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Anders GUZZI @ Jul 27 2008, 06:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>In Sweden we can't anyway,they make too much noise.But anyway it is probarbly a nice boost when you're on the road.
By the way i have a Moto Guzzi 1100sport inj -97.If you haven't seen it it looks like a Ducati 900ss with a half fairing,only a bit longer.So it looks and sounds really fast but it's not,but it's fast enough for me.

I have a cousin in Sweden. Didn't even know about him until a couple of years ago...long story. I should visit him one day.

Anyway, track days here are pretty open but I don't know too many guys that have overly loud bikes. The loudest thing around here are yuppie Harleys. I don't know what it is but they love them as loud as hell. The windows rattle in the house when one of these .........s "ride" by but they never get unnecessary noise tickets.