Gran Premio Motul de la República Argentina 2017

Except that there is no public mutterings (reported by media at the time) from many of these 'Qatar 8' that even hints at a tyre request until after Michelin have been Rossi'd by their own media statements.

Sure you can find links of comments that have been made after, like well after the event that seem to support the chosen line or argument but Michelin themselves named Rossi only initially in their statements did they not and then expanded from there.

This is almost like a case of deja vu, not deja vudu.

I am sure that some will say that because it is said now then it must be true, why would they lie ............................

JKant said:

Can't really say for sure. They haven't named their sources. Could be someone from Michelin, could be other people (acc. to Emmett the 'Rossi & Marquez camps were pushing hard for it'). I'll try to post on Motomatters and see if we can get a clarification.

On the 'evaluative' bit, I agree. And yeah, it probably applies to Rossi as well; he suffered chatter on that tyre in early testing at Jerez, I doubt he'd want to commit to it.


Bit of both, I think - mismanagement & bad luck. To start with the tyre should not have been late; they screwed up by dispatching it separately. Michelin ought to have stressed the fact that they were bringing only the soft, to gather data, a tyre that could not be raced at Rio Hondo and that several factory riders had expressed interest in testing.

And they should have made that clear to the press on Thursday, no later.

Still it was exacerbated by some dreadful luck - the tyres getting stuck in customs coincided with a seemingly listless Rossi finishing out the top 15 in both FP1 & FP2; and his 'woe-is-me' statements after got a lot of coverage. The rain next day sharply narrowed the window for testing, leading to the Safety Commission rejecting it, adding to the controvery.

Rossi taking 2nd & both Hondas crashing was a stroke of luck though (from Michelin's perspective).

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As Birdman says an individual occurrence can possibly be explained as random, as you yourself do in fact explain them, and as I have said events and decisions usually involve multiple factors, but ever since the abolition of SNS tyres (the consequences of which were probably not foreseen imo and in regard to which Rossi was rumoured to have been consulted anyway) the coin continues to pretty much always fall Rossi's way, in matters small and large, with this event in particular rather small, but in regard to it if Julian Ryder is not guilty of complete fabrication at least one current rider would seem to have a view similar to Birdman's. I can see a parallel with your posts actually, individual posts can seem dispassionate and reasoned, but as a body of work their theme is constant ie never do they do other than deny that anything at all reflects negatively on Rossi (or Dorna).

If Michelin wanted to help a group of riders by bringing a different tyre to test it would seem like a good idea to ask the riders concerned which tyre they would like to test, and bringing back a tyre of discarded construction/profile which was only favoured by one rider when it was evaluated pre-season without asking any others seems like an odd way to address the concerns expressed post Qatar.

Your attempted "gotcha" with that old post of Jumkie's actually demonstrated that two among those you monolithically group as biased or "conspiracy theorists" are capable of disagreement, as well as of changing their views in the face of evidence and events as was my contention about Kawasaki and the control tyre, and perhaps even capable of being ahead of events rather than attempting to justify them after they occur as is your wont. I certainly wasn't in the habit of believing everything Stoner said during his career, he was not unknown to say inconsistent and sometimes downright wacky things on the spur of the moment, but his and Honda's view on the 2012 tyre change was in my view at the time considered, and was subsequently proved to be correct.

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As Birdman says an individual occurrence can possibly be explained as random, as you yourself do in fact explain them, and as I have said events and decisions usually involve multiple factors, but ever since the abolition of SNS tyres (the consequences of which were probably not foreseen imo and in regard to which Rossi was rumoured to have been consulted anyway) the coin continues to pretty much always fall Rossi's way, in matters small and large, with this event in particular rather small,

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I really don't know how to argue this - given that the facts appear to support a theory that's 180 degrees from your contention.

Rossi went into both rounds of this season on tyres that he was unhappy with - a situation that probably wouldn't have been true if he wasn't running a spec tyre (barring failures at the supplier's end).

That he was unsatisfied with the tyre was a fact known to Michelin before the season started. And they (rightly) refused to examine alternatives until half a dozen other factory riders expressed a similar opinion after the Qatar race.

but in regard to it if Julian Ryder is not guilty of complete invention at least 1 current rider would seem to have a view similar to Birdman's.

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Perhaps that current rider could explain who exactly was planning to race with a soft at Rio Hondo.

If Michelin wants to help a group of riders by bringing a different tyre to test it would seem a good idea to ask the riders concerned which tyre they would like to test, and bringing back a tyre of discarded construction/profile which was only favoured by 1 rider when it was evaluated pre-season seems like an odd way to address the concerns expressed post Qatar.

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a) They are not 'bringing back' anything yet - they're only looking for feedback from the riders at this point.
b) All four Yamaha bikes had problems with chatter on the stiffer front, including Rossi's. Which was one of the reasons for introducing the current (softer) tyre.

Rossi wanted/wants to try out a stiffer front again (old or new; unspecified) and so do several other riders. Bikes evolve, development stabilizes - bike-tyre interaction today is not necessarily identical to what was observed at Valencia.

Your attempted "gotcha" with that old post of Jumkie's actually demonstrated that 2 among those you monolithically group as biased or "conspiracy theorists" are capable of disagreement

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The 'attempted gotcha post' was actually the only one I could find about the infamous tyre 'vote' in 2012. Every conventional source just talks about the selection being driven by rider feedback.

I certainly wasn't in the habit of believing everything Stoner said during his career, he was not unknown to say inconsistent and sometimes downright wacky things on the spur of the moment, but his and Honda's view on the 2012 tyre change was in my view at the time considered, and was subsequently proved to be correct.

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Stoner or HRC's view was never the bone of contention.

This segment of the debate started with you demanding to know why Stoner's preferences vis a vis the choice of Bridgestone fronts were overlooked/ignored. The answer was equally straightforward - apparently none of the other riders backed his position, preferring the new tyre instead.

If they went on to face problems at a later stage (rear tyre chunking?) :shrug: they made an informed decision. Stoner could feel vindicated, if he liked. I wouldn't be surprised if Rossi also feels a little smug at this point with KTM being the only factory-team aside from Yamaha to score points at the most recent race (an attitude that may well change in the coming days).

JKant said:

I really don't know how to argue this - given that the facts appear to support a theory that's 180 degrees from your contention.

Rossi went into both rounds of this season on tyres that he was unhappy with - a situation that probably wouldn't have been true if he wasn't running a spec tyre (barring failures at the supplier's end).

That he was unsatisfied with the tyre was a fact known to Michelin before the season started. And they (rightly) refused to examine alternatives until half a dozen other factory riders expressed a similar opinion after the Qatar race.


Perhaps that current rider could explain who exactly was planning to race with a soft at Rio Hondo.


a) They are not 'bringing back' anything yet - they're only looking for feedback from the riders at this point.
b) All four Yamaha bikes had problems with chatter on the stiffer front, including Rossi's. Which was one of the reasons for introducing the current (softer) tyre.

Rossi wanted/wants to try out a stiffer front again (old or new; unspecified) and so do several other riders. Bikes evolve, development stabilizes - bike-tyre interaction today is not necessarily identical to what was observed at Valencia.


The 'attempted gotcha post' was actually the only one I could find about the infamous tyre 'vote' in 2012. Every conventional source just talks about the selection being driven by rider feedback.


Stoner or HRC's view was never the bone of contention.

This segment of the debate started with you demanding to know why Stoner's preferences vis a vis the choice of Bridgestone fronts were overlooked/ignored. The answer was equally straightforward - apparently none of the other riders backed his position, preferring the new tyre instead.

If they went on to face problems at a later stage (rear tyre chunking?) :shrug: they made an informed decision. Stoner could feel vindicated, if he liked. I wouldn't be surprised if Rossi also feels a little smug at this point with KTM being the only factory-team aside from Yamaha to score points at the most recent race (an attitude that may well change in the coming days).

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My objection was never to other riders having a different preference, it was to a tyre with which and for which the 2012 Honda was developed being removed after the bike had been substantially developed, as Nakamoto says in the interview to which I finally did manage to link, for a new tyre which was in his view imposed on Honda by Loris Capirossi supposedly for safety reasons despite Honda's as it proved correct concerns about the durability of the new tyre. My memory that the old tyre was removed mid-season was also correct, there was a specific reference to this from the interviewer in the article, and there are still extant references in other articles/press releases about the new tyre alone being the only one going forward from Silverstone on, which is why I was annoyed at the time of the Silverstone race which Jumkie's post concerned, and very likely wrongly attributed problems for the Honda riders to the absence of the tyre myself.

You are extremely likely to be better at googling than I am, but on a brief attempt I could find very little on tyres in the 2012 GP racing season in general, and it is hardly surprising, since pretty much no-one will have had any ongoing interest, if what remains is in the archives of a motogp forum. Another thing that post proves is that Jumkie and I were contemporary observers of the events and actively involved in contemporary discussions of them, and hence perhaps more likely to be informed about what was out there at the time than you are, as is Birdman.

As I said, a preference was expressed at a riders' vote not long before the Silverstone race, my question (and Nakamoto's at the time) was why an existing tyre needed to be removed mid season, and hence my further question why a vote needed to be held; neither Honda nor Stoner were at all opposed to the new tyre being available in addition to the old one for those who favoured it. That you regard Honda actually being correct in regard to concerns about a tyre imposed upon them ostensibly for safety reasons being faulty/suboptimal as unimportant speaks volumes for your general attitude. Rossi actually admitted later that he had nothing to lose in the vote because the Ducati couldn't use the Honda/Stoner tyre as Birdman said.

Rossi said, the feeling with the front end is similar on slick tyres and wet tyres. So, he said, the problem he had perhaps not from the 2017 slick tyres, but more to the new bike.

Conclusion is, michelin could continue with its current tyres, and forget the #70. Which surprisingly they didn't.

JKant said:

I really don't know how to argue this - given that my (alternate) facts appear to support a theory that's 180 degrees from your contention.

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FTFY there JK




Oh, and my I just say 'pit to bike communications'

With all the discussions about Mav and Marc at Argentina most people missed the major breakthrough that Pedrosa had this month.

Radical surgery takes Pedrosa to new heights - Australian Motorcycle News

RADICAL SURGERY TAKES PEDROSA TO NEW HEIGHTS | MANUFACTURE NEWS | NEWS

A statement issued by HRC Honda this morning confirmed rumours that Dani Pedrosa has undergone radical leg surgery to help him reach the same heights as his champion teammate Marc Márquez – literally. Pedrosa’s diminutive size has been a constant disadvantage since his move to MotoGP, making it hard for him to generate tyre heat. Being shorter than Márquez has also restricted opportunities for the two to share set-up data, but that is all about to change as of today.

In what is believed to be a first in any professional sport, the femur bones in Pedrosa’s legs have been lengthened by 100mm. Even more startling is the revelation that Honda provided Pedrosa with the means to reach new heights via its Advanced Function Development (AFD) laboratory, which has created a synthetic material that instantly bonds with human bone. A lab-made enzyme then speeds recovery by as much as 500 per cent. This space-age technology means a much lankier and fully recovered Pedrosa will be ready to take to the track in Argentina in less than a week.

Pedrosa confirmed the radical surgery was his idea, a last-ditch effort to claim an elusive MotoGP crown. “For sure having longer legs will allow me to ride the bike more like Márquez,” Pedrosa said. “But also there are other benefits – to see on top of the fridge, to put my feet on the ground when I sit in the chair, and not shopping in the kids’ clothing section at Costco anymore. I can even start playing basketball.”

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Good of Pedrosa to play along on that one .......... now, what day was it again bahaha

JKant said:

a) They are not 'bringing back' anything yet - they're only looking for feedback from the riders at this point.

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Again, how do you know this without being privy to the inner sanctum of Clermont Ferrand what is being planned for COTA or beyond? Michelin have already strongly alluded to both constructions being available at Austin. I would suggest that if the compound is amenable, the option to race the #70 will be there. However, this thread is increasingly moot - particularly given that Valentino's team have 'found something' and 'turned a corner' (without the #6 tyre de-forming). That being the case, it will be interesting to see the extent of any future valuation of the #70 carcass at the request of say, just Cal Crutchlow and Andrea Iannone.

JKant said:

b) All four Yamaha bikes had problems with chatter on the stiffer front, including Rossi's. Which was one of the reasons for introducing the current (softer) tyre.

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I did mention that chatter was a major factor in its overwhelming rejection. Earlier, you said this, remember?...

JKant said:

Right. Overwhelming in terms of numbers preferring it, yes - '90%' of the field liked it acc. to Goubert (I thought you meant overwhelming no. of riders faced chatter.)

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And in spite of this chatter...

"According to a Michelin spokesman, Rossi was the only member of the 23-rider MotoGP contingent to express preference for the harder casing at the close of testing."

JKant said:

Rossi wanted/wants to try out a stiffer front again (old or new; unspecified) and so do several other riders. Bikes evolve, development stabilizes - bike-tyre interaction today is not necessarily identical to what was observed at Valencia.

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And in terms of both practicality and expense, this is usually addressed through access to and development of different compounds. Once more I will refer you to the original Michelin objectives for 2017 which were to target only compound changes from circuit to circuit. Again the statement from Taramasso

“the aim for 2017 was to provide one casing and one profile for the season, and only change compounds track by track.”

Can I suggest that you find the Dorna produced Márquez documentary 'From Cervera to Tokyo'. If you genuinely love motorcycle racing, this is wonderful viewing - impossible not to warm to the guy. (I would also recommend this to anyone that contends that the Repsol Honda is always the most 'favourable bike on the grid'.) A fascinating contrast between the nuances of Spanish and Japanese working culture with participation from Shinichi Kokubu, Takeo Yokoyama, Santi Hernández Carlo Liuzzi, Jordi Castella, Carlos Liñán and of course Shuhei Nakamoto. In discussing tyres Nakamoto observes that Marc will invariably request the hardest option - "Marc always says harder, harder, harder". Of course he is referring to compound, but as you have quite correctly pointed out, why wouldn't Marc also be interested in at least evaluating a stiffer construction in the future? However following the race at Qatar, he made it clear that he made a preference for a harder compound. Regarding the #70 construction meanwhile:

"We cannot have more [than three], or less," Marquez said.

"For some reason Michelin brings this extra tyre in the front, and then we speak a bit in the Safety Commission, 'why do we have this tyre'.

"Even race direction didn't know, they didn't have any information.

"There was no need for safety to use this new tyre with a different character.

"For that reason it's better to try it in a proper test, after Jerez or something like this."

JKant said:

Thank you. This should hopefully clarify matters sufficiently.

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Indeed it does. Entirely my own conjecture but as I have consistently suggested, had Valentino not requested the renewed evaluation of the #70 construction I'm not convinced that it would have happened so quickly - if at all.

"Based on rider feedback, led by Valentino Rossi who believes a revised profile makes the casing feel softer, Michelin brought a fourth front tyre type to Argentina with the stiffer casing used at Valencia last November."

JKant said:

I really don't know how to argue this - given that the facts appear to support a theory that's 180 degrees from your contention.

Rossi went into both rounds of this season on tyres that he was unhappy with - a situation that probably wouldn't have been true if he wasn't running a spec tyre (barring failures at the supplier's end).

That he was unsatisfied with the tyre was a fact known to Michelin before the season started. And they (rightly) refused to examine alternatives until half a dozen other factory riders expressed a similar opinion after the Qatar race.


Perhaps that current rider could explain who exactly was planning to race with a soft at Rio Hondo.


a) They are not 'bringing back' anything yet - they're only looking for feedback from the riders at this point.
b) All four Yamaha bikes had problems with chatter on the stiffer front, including Rossi's. Which was one of the reasons for introducing the current (softer) tyre.

Rossi wanted/wants to try out a stiffer front again (old or new; unspecified) and so do several other riders. Bikes evolve, development stabilizes - bike-tyre interaction today is not necessarily identical to what was observed at Valencia.


The 'attempted gotcha post' was actually the only one I could find about the infamous tyre 'vote' in 2012. Every conventional source just talks about the selection being driven by rider feedback.


Stoner or HRC's view was never the bone of contention.

This segment of the debate started with you demanding to know why Stoner's preferences vis a vis the choice of Bridgestone fronts were overlooked/ignored. The answer was equally straightforward - apparently none of the other riders backed his position, preferring the new tyre instead.

If they went on to face problems at a later stage (rear tyre chunking?) :shrug: they made an informed decision. Stoner could feel vindicated, if he liked. I wouldn't be surprised if Rossi also feels a little smug at this point with KTM being the only factory-team aside from Yamaha to score points at the most recent race (an attitude that may well change in the coming days).

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I couldn't help but notice you have your microscope finely zoomed as usual. Allow me to expand your focus for a second.

Qatar was run and won by Vinales. Get it, I'll say it again for you. Vinales. Yes that's him, Maverick. Not Crutchlow, not Marquez, not Pedrosa, not Rossi. Does Vinales have any problem with the current tire JKant? Why the .... are you going on and on and on about all these other riders? Who gives a ..... Vinales is leading the championship and has no reported issue with the tires. Why the hell would he, he has dominated preseason testing and the first two races.

So why the hell change the tires JKant? Zoom out that microscope for a second. The championship leader has no issue with the tires, why do they need to be changed?

Post Qatar Marquez said he should have run the hard tire because the medium wore out too fast for him to challenge for the win. If the medium is too soft, then the rider has the option to run the hard. That's what it's there for JKant. If the hard also has an increased risk of crashing, well so be it. Please explain to me why this is Vinales problem? He won on the medium.

Now what is it exactly you are trying to say. It wasn't just Rossi who wanted a harder option post Qatar, it was also the Honda riders? After listening to this request Michelin decided to bring a hard carcuss soft tire that none of the riddrs would be able to use for the race? Michelin are a bit deaf and dumb are they? Is this the best you got to refute this was not the Rossi tire?

As povol said way back, they the riders immediately recognised this was the Rossi tire regardless of the terminology of hard carcuss soft compound, and told Capirossi to shove it. Marquez in particular appears to have been particularly outspoken against his old mate Valentino getting what he wants. Perhaps Marquez is willing to accept he already has his hard compound tire it's simply at this point the Honda is behind the Yamaha and so Vinales is the deserved championship leader. Hey man maybe it's a Spanish conspiracy.

If Rossi wants a harder tire run the ....... hard. The whole point of all this, as no doubt Marquez has recognised, is an attempt to take away the tire Vinales has absolutely dominated preseason testing and 2 races on. Fact is all the medium runners are in agreement they like the tire as is. This is what Rossi moaned about. The medium runners, not the hard. The Honda ridees are the hard runners, why the .... should Michelin change the construction of the medium tire for Honda? No reason at all. Why should they change the medium construction for Valentino? Occam's razor, it's obvious, so he can beat Vinales. You know, the guy who's dominating the championship so far making the racing boring.

And I get labeled for being a conspiracy theorist when it comes to Michelin and Valentino Rossi.

I don't know of an other rider who whines and has a tire manufacturer interested in bringing back a different carcass to try and meet that rider's needs. Something to my knowledge at least in the 4-stroke era that has never happened other than when it involves VR. There's been plenty of whining about tires since 2002, but the only real change we have ever seen on the tire front has been if it benefits or is perceived to benefit Valentino Rossi in any meaningful way.

If Scott Redding asked for an alternate construction tire, I feel fairly comfortable in stating that he would be laughed out of the paddock, as would be the case for every rider up and down that grid who isn't #46.

Tire manipulation shenanigans are happening right in front of us, and only a few people even see a problem with this.

Michelintino's objective handed by Dorna is to give VR his 10th title. No one even cares anymore if this is purposely being manipulated by those with the power to do so. It's what happened after Sepang, when Rossi should have been kicked out of the championship for assaulting another rider. But he was allowed to ride at Valencia 2015, albeit with a back of the grid start because Dorna needed those #TheGrandFinale hashtags to be used no matter how unlikely the prospect of the 9-times world champion to win that race. Worrying about whether other riders asked for a different compound tire or not is to lose sight of the forest. It's the perfect distraction method because it doesn't matter if it is true or not. Once that story was released by Crash, and then subsequently reported by other outlets, the story became not about Valentino asking for a new carcass construction which doesn't fit with Michelin's stated tire goals for 2017, the story became solely about giving VR cover by pointing to another group of riders. You have JKant and others now hyper focused on these other riders, and whether known or unknown to them, they are using it as a justification for option #70 being brought to a race weekend. Even though there are plenty of conflicting reports, it's in the public domain that other riders purportedly asked for something other than what Michelin has been bringing or intended to bring for the entire season. This is how questionable news becomes accepted as fact in the Age of Trump. Just put it out there quickly and before any contradicting story can get out there, and if it spreads via credible news outlets and known journalists/reporters, well it quickly becomes accepted truth. In MotoGP land, it's unsurprisingly why so many of the sports established "truths" took root in the mind of the public. Dorna's been good at trying to control and shape the message beforehand, and have done exceedingly well at this due to the Faustian bargain that was struck up between them and the media who at the end of the day value their access in the paddock more than they do of actually calling .........

I no longer wonder why Stoner retired after this latest tire ......... It's obvious the sport is still being conducted on a tiered system where tier 1 is Valentino Rossi and tier 2 is everyone else. Tier 1 gets serious input, and tier 2 is told to shut the .... up and sit down.

^^ That's just why you are so labelled, like a movie script that's too far fetched, ends up being beyond belief.
And why is the gang of four still calling Rossi out for wanting the hard tyre, did you not read the quote from Crutchlow? Selective memories.

Daniboy said:

^^ That's just why you are so labelled, like a movie script that's too far fetched, ends up being beyond belief.
And why is the gang of four still calling Rossi out for wanting the hard tyre, did you not read the quote from Crutchlow? Selective memories.

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So have you got anything other than argumentum ad hominem, which oddly is a different phenomenon when employed by you, JKant or Vudu, although I am coming to appreciate Vudu being a little more upfront about it.

So how is JPS st least being honest and calling you the fuckwits he considers you to be different than you and JKant starting every post by calling those who disagree with you conspiracy theorists and biased?

Daniboy said:

^^ That's just why you are so labelled, like a movie script that's too far fetched, ends up being beyond belief.
And why is the gang of four still calling Rossi out for wanting the hard tyre, did you not read the quote from Crutchlow? Selective memories.

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And from the link that you posted, did you not read the quote from Marquez?

"World champion Marquez clarified that riders had agreed not to use more than three types of a front or rear tyre in a GP weekend in 2017, and that there was no requirement on safety grounds to introduce a fourth.

He feels a better opportunity to run the tyre would be next month, in the post-Spanish Grand Prix test.

"We cannot have more [than three], or less," Marquez said.

"For some reason Michelin brings this extra tyre in the front, and then we speak a bit in the Safety Commission, 'why do we have this tyre'.

"Even race direction didn't know, they didn't have any information.

"There was no need for safety to use this new tyre with a different character.

"For that reason it's better to try it in a proper test, after Jerez or something like this."

And from your own link...

"Based on rider feedback, led by Valentino Rossi who believes a revised profile makes the casing feel softer, Michelin brought a fourth front tyre type to Argentina with the stiffer casing used at Valencia last November."

Regarding the quote from Crutchlow, had the request to re-evaluate the #70 construction instead been "lead by" Cal Crutchlow and not Valentino Rossi - irrespective of those subsequently expressing an interest in testing it again - do you honestly believe that Michelin would have been so forthcoming?

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And from the link that you posted, did you not read the quote from Marquez?

"World champion Marquez clarified that riders had agreed not to use more than three types of a front or rear tyre in a GP weekend in 2017, and that there was no requirement on safety grounds to introduce a fourth.

He feels a better opportunity to run the tyre would be next month, in the post-Spanish Grand Prix test.

"We cannot have more [than three], or less," Marquez said.

"For some reason Michelin brings this extra tyre in the front, and then we speak a bit in the Safety Commission, 'why do we have this tyre'.

"Even race direction didn't know, they didn't have any information.

"There was no need for safety to use this new tyre with a different character.

"For that reason it's better to try it in a proper test, after Jerez or something like this."

And from your own link...

"Based on rider feedback, led by Valentino Rossi who believes a revised profile makes the casing feel softer, Michelin brought a fourth front tyre type to Argentina with the stiffer casing used at Valencia last November."

Regarding the quote from Crutchlow, had the request to re-evaluate the #70 construction instead been "lead by" Cal Crutchlow and not Valentino Rossi - irrespective of those subsequently expressing an interest in testing it again - do you honestly believe that Michelin would have been so forthcoming?

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Yes I did read MM , I actually agree that the post Jerez test is the best time to give the tyre a workout and see if it's worth using for the substantial amount of riders asking for it. Just for arguments sake, what if Rossi had been happy with the current tyre and 8 other riders weren't, I'd still expect something similar to what we've seen.

Dani, simple question, over the course of his entire premier class career, has Valentino Rossi received preferential treatment from Dorna?

This should be good

Dani what did you think about Marquez stating that the riders who complained about the tyres not being hard enough were speaking about compound and not about the construction?

These articles that you and others keep referencing are totally contradicted by one statement from Marquez, that no others have come out to disprove.

JPSLotus said:

Dani, simple question, over the course of his entire premier class career, has Valentino Rossi received preferential treatment from Dorna?

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Yes but not to the extent that you think .
Didn't Marquez also receive preferential treatment in his fasttrack into Repsol Honda?

Daniboy said:

^^ That's just why you are so labelled, like a movie script that's too far fetched, ends up being beyond belief.
And why is the gang of four still calling Rossi out for wanting the hard tyre, did you not read the quote from Crutchlow? Selective memories.

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Being humorous? I may have missed it. Humor me.