'23 Portimao GP

Bern1 · Mar 26, 2023

misfit said:
Although Ducati is dominant, there are enough riders on them to appreciate where the rider is making the difference.

This. It will be the saving grace of the season.
To Ducati's credit, they make basically the same bike available to all the teams. Sure the factory gets to keep some cards and not put them on the table, but all those riders on that machine have a shot.

misfit said:
It's tough seeing Fabio/Morbidelli and Yamaha floundering as they are now.

Indeed. Either poor management, unwilling or unable to spend money, bad choices in engineering personnel or a combination of all, it doesn't matter.

It is just too bad to waste Fabio's talent. At least so far this year. Maybe they will pull the project together.

As far as franky, really who cares? His chronic and serious underperformance compared to his teammate has solidified into a predictable and lasting trend that will not change. If not for that contract, he would be back in Moto2 by now.

MichaelBolton · Mar 26, 2023

Yamaha needs a reliable teammate to pick up the pieces whenever Fabio can't do well. Funnily enough he said this today:

"At the moment I don't have the solutions. We don't have them because my partner is no longer able to do the real work."

Pretty damning for Franco. Morbidelli's fall from grace has been nothing short of spectacular.

Gaz · Mar 26, 2023

Marc's .... up - pure and simple and to be fair he seems to have owned it. .... happens in races, sometimes it works out and sometimes it doesn't, and this time is didn't and has taken out one other rider and caused impact to another's race.

For mine, race incident but well worthy of a sanction, but what type.

Because it is Marc people wnat multiple race bans yet they also overlook the actions of many acrosst he last few years with leser names than Marquez (ie. Mir, Nakagami and so forth). Heck, Marc has been reported as a double LLP and in fairness it is not to dissimilar to Alex Marquez on Miller at Phillip Island which saw a single LLP.

Nope, for mine I am not a fan of this stupid LLP crap anyway as for mine, and as we have seen it is of little penalty as it is just a wider corner that is forced on riders. Nope, ift hey want LLP then make it a pit lane ride through as there are speed restrictions in pit lane that will lose longer times than any LLP and start to look at race bans.

Punish the act not the result and make that punishment a genuine one, something that costs the rider and make any punishment replicated to the team. Punishing a rider is only good when they cannot afford to lose something but extend that to a team penalty as well, and make it big.

Now, on that one given Marc's past history of indescretions I am not sure that the stewards have the penalty right but they do have access to all data including geometric data while all we have is vision and supposition

MichaelBolton · Mar 26, 2023

Worst thing coming from all this is that everything Marc does is so high-profile that it's all what people are discussing everywhere. You don't see discussion of the actual race. Even other riders try to be as incendiary as possible in their declarations. Getting sick of so much negativity. Good thing the next race will only take a week from here on.

Gaz · Mar 26, 2023

MichaelBolton said:
Worst thing coming from all this is that everything Marc does is so high-profile that it's all what people are discussing everywhere. You don't see discussion of the actual race. Even other riders try to be as incendiary as possible in their declarations. Getting sick of so much negativity. Good thing the next race will only take a week from here on.

Ah, good old Aleix Asparagus calling for the race ban
Since he got results his ego grew and of course he feels that his .... does not stink, thus he is some form of example yet his past has examples of the very things he will whine of at times

Gaz · Mar 26, 2023

Marc gives response to the incidentand penalty

Click the watch on youtube link

Marc agrees with the penalty etc

warthog1 · Mar 26, 2023

Yeah, no option really.
He fked up, but yes it was a racing incident.
You would hope there are less of them.
I said he still had it when he got pole. That was impressive on that bicycle he is riding. Didn't have it there.

Pecco had everyone covered here. Very impressive.

Mrpurple · Mar 26, 2023

He only got pole because of a tow...its going to be a dull season.

mylexicon · Mar 26, 2023

MichaelBolton said:
Worst thing coming from all this is that everything Marc does is so high-profile that it's all what people are discussing everywhere. You don't see discussion of the actual race. Even other riders try to be as incendiary as possible in their declarations. Getting sick of so much negativity. Good thing the next race will only take a week from here on.

True. As far as racing incidents go, Marquez’ riding wasn’t that objectionable, imo.

However, the consequences of the crash are keeping it at the forefront of the news cycle. He took out a Portuguese rider battling for the lead at his home round. The fans boo’ed vigorously, and the promoters, who just paid for the opening Grand Prix, probably gave Dorna an earful. RNF is also one of MotoGP’s connections to Southeast Asia so their anger carries extra weight.

I think the press can sense that Marc may have stepped in it this time, and they are excited to see who will prevail in the epic power struggle. The boos also tipped off Marc, who was savvy enough to take all of the blame and preemptively agree with punishment. In doing so, he is diffusing the incendiary devices the press is building.

Yeah, we should be talking about the race, but Marc vs the world is an unexpected subplot the press cannot resist.

Dynamohum · Mar 26, 2023

Apparently if MM isn’t healed enough to race in Argentina he won’t have to serve his double LL penalty ever. All a LL does for him anyway is just make him ride harder and more dangerous than he already is. Stupid penalty. A slow ride thru the pits make more sense if that’s all they’re going to do.

Gaz · Mar 26, 2023

mylexicon said:
True. As far as racing incidents go, Marquez’ riding wasn’t that objectionable, imo.

However, the consequences of the crash are keeping it at the forefront of the news cycle. He took out a Portuguese rider battling for the lead at his home round. The fans boo’ed vigorously, and the promoters, who just paid for the opening Grand Prix, probably gave Dorna an earful. RNF is also one of MotoGP’s connections to Southeast Asia so their anger carries extra weight.

I think the press can sense that Marc may have stepped in it this time, and they are excited to see who will prevail in the epic power struggle. The boos also tipped off Marc, who was savvy enough to take all of the blame and preemptively agree with punishment. In doing so, he is diffusing the incendiary devices the press is building.

Yeah, we should be talking about the race, but Marc vs the world is an unexpected subplot the press cannot resist.

There is video around as well where the 'fans' or someone, in and around the pits are absolutely abusing him as he returns after the incident

Agree that the issue is who was taken out and by whom

Mick D · Mar 26, 2023

Yep murder Marc is back. That leopard ain't ever gonna change its spots. I used to worry he would injure himself beyond repair, now I worry about everyone around him. It is what it is I guess...

As disturbing as the incident is the absolute boot-licking sycophancy displayed by the BT commentators. Have they no self-awareness?

michaelm · Mar 26, 2023

Gaz said:
Marc's .... up - pure and simple and to be fair he seems to have owned it. .... happens in races, sometimes it works out and sometimes it doesn't, and this time is didn't and has taken out one other rider and caused impact to another's race.

For mine, race incident but well worthy of a sanction, but what type.

Because it is Marc people wnat multiple race bans yet they also overlook the actions of many acrosst he last few years with leser names than Marquez (ie. Mir, Nakagami and so forth). Heck, Marc has been reported as a double LLP and in fairness it is not to dissimilar to Alex Marquez on Miller at Phillip Island which saw a single LLP.

Nope, for mine I am not a fan of this stupid LLP crap anyway as for mine, and as we have seen it is of little penalty as it is just a wider corner that is forced on riders. Nope, ift hey want LLP then make it a pit lane ride through as there are speed restrictions in pit lane that will lose longer times than any LLP and start to look at race bans.

Punish the act not the result and make that punishment a genuine one, something that costs the rider and make any punishment replicated to the team. Punishing a rider is only good when they cannot afford to lose something but extend that to a team penalty as well, and make it big.

Now, on that one given Marc's past history of indescretions I am not sure that the stewards have the penalty right but they do have access to all data including geometric data while all we have is vision and supposition

He can risk his own skin as much as he likes as far as I am concerned, although you would think his injury concerns for the previous 3 seasons would have imparted some caution, and while I understand his mindset was that he had to push when he did because the nature of his bike wouldn’t allow him to regain positions easily or possibly at all, it is not reasonable to put other riders at risk to the degree he did with such an on the edge move on that horrible bike in traffic, which was my problem with him in moto2 and in his early seasons in motogp.

That said, I am sure he didn’t deliberately seek contact as the likes of Mir has done, apparently it was alright to use other riders as a berm if you were on a Suzuki because it was unfair Ducatis were faster in a straight line.

michaelm · Mar 26, 2023

mylexicon said:
Yes there are all manner of people out there waiting for Marquez with baseball bats, possibly including Dorna themselves if he is no longer “the man”. Sure the Portuguese fans were understandably and correctly upset over this specific incident, but there are still many Rossi fans probably including many in the press who remain upset that he “stole” the 2015/8th and 10th title from Valentino, as Rossi has recently reiterated is the case.

seusouber · Mar 27, 2023

Good morning,
I have this opinion for a long time ... allowing for towing on qualifying is the fuel for these situations in the race.
If Marc where to start at 12th as he was before using Enea we would not have the same stupid mentality he can fight and win at the front.
Stop allowing for ...... rider/bike combinations at the front of the race and for sure racing will be better.
How many times have we seen the only guys that could give a hard time to the race favourite getting their race ruined by someone that should not even be in Q2?!

Second thing, penalties need to be severe:
- if any rider sends another down it should be at least next race start at the back. (you destroy one race ... you loose yourself a race next)
- repetitions and stupid moves as we've seen yesterday i would happily vote for 1 weekend ban.
- furthermore, guys like MM starting each year with a clean slate when it comes to dangerous riding is a nonsense.

I do love MM, but this side of him not taking it easy after the couple of warning he had first laps is ridiculous to me.
And yes, he is not alone this weekend on the backlist ... all should be punished the same way! Only he did it on the main race and at the front so consequences points wise are far worse.

gui22a · Mar 27, 2023

Gaz said:
There is video around as well where the 'fans' or someone, in and around the pits are absolutely abusing him as he returns after the incident

Agree that the issue is who was taken out and by whom

I saw it live a Portuguese fan calling him and insulting him ahahaha, like this:

"Marquez! Marquez! .... you!!" (translated)

Barbedwirebikerr · Mar 27, 2023

seusouber said:
Good morning,
I have this opinion for a long time ... allowing for towing on qualifying is the fuel for these situations in the race.
If Marc where to start at 12th as he was before using Enea we would not have the same stupid mentality he can fight and win at the front.
Stop allowing for ...... rider/bike combinations at the front of the race and for sure racing will be better.
How many times have we seen the only guys that could give a hard time to the race favourite getting their race ruined by someone that should not even be in Q2?!

Second thing, penalties need to be severe:
- if any rider sends another down it should be at least next race start at the back. (you destroy one race ... you loose yourself a race next)
- repetitions and stupid moves as we've seen yesterday i would happily vote for 1 weekend ban.
- furthermore, guys like MM starting each year with a clean slate when it comes to dangerous riding is a nonsense.

I do love MM, but this side of him not taking it easy after the couple of warning he had first laps is ridiculous to me.
And yes, he is not alone this weekend on the backlist ... all should be punished the same way! Only he did it on the main race and at the front so consequences points wise are far worse.

Seriously? I quoted you here to provide opportunity to read it again.

MdubSTYLIE · Mar 27, 2023

I think they should start using cruel and unusual punishment for actions on track. Getting a tow in qualifying you get water boarded. Knock a rider down and you get caned for your first offence stoned for your second.

misfit · Mar 27, 2023

michaelm said:
He can risk his own skin as much as he likes as far as I am concerned, although you would think his injury concerns for the previous 3 seasons would have imparted some caution, and while I understand his mindset was that he had to push when he did because the nature of his bike wouldn’t allow him to regain positions easily or possibly at all, it is not reasonable to put other riders at risk to the degree he did with such an on the edge move on that horrible bike in traffic, which was my problem with him in moto2 and in his early seasons in motogp.

That said, I am sure he didn’t deliberately seek contact as the likes of Mir has done, apparently it was alright to use other riders as a berm if you were on a Suzuki because it was unfair Ducatis were faster in a straight line.

This! This is what gives me such a bad taste. His not intending it is not enough. After seeing how he was managing in the first two corners of the race, I thought then that he needed to calm down a bit. He needs to calm down or he will get someone else seriously hurt..... unintentionally..

Bern1 · Mar 27, 2023

misfit said:
This! This is what gives me such a bad taste. His not intending it is not enough. After seeing how he was managing in the first two corners of the race, I thought then that he needed to calm down a bit. He needs to calm down or he will get someone else seriously hurt..... unintentionally..

The never ending repetition of this kind of conduct is what will keep him out of the pantheon of the greats, his once in a generation talent notwithstanding, however much I admire it.

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