2024 MotoGP Round 9: Liqui Moly Motorrad Grand Prix Deutschland - Sachsenring

JFM01 said:

Glad to see the stands already packed for the Moto3 and Moto2 races because everyone who didn't see them missed a fantastic race.
Moto2 was great hold-your-breath racing from start to finish. Wonder if Pirelli could develop similar tires for MotoGP.

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Moto 3 and 2 are the only places left to see actual motorcycles racing. How anyone can defend the current state of the Premier Class is beyond me.

Definitely agree about the Moto2 race. All of those on the podium rode a great race. Aldeguer fighting at the front while still preserving his tyres, Dixon biding his time outside the podium and then had the speed at the end. And Ogura fought hard the whole race, had a brilliant last lap, and was rewarded with a big chunk of points over Garcia who quietly dropped back to 7th somehow at the end.

JPSLotus said:

Moto 3 and 2 are the only places left to see actual motorcycles racing. How anyone can defend the current state of the Premier Class is beyond me.

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Both Moto3 and 2 have far less variation in the speed of the bikes compared to MotoGP. I wouldn't want to see MotoGP become a spec series or closer to it. Hence, on average, the racing is never going to be as close. But, I want the technical challenge to remain, even if races aren't so close.

JPSLotus said:

Moto 3 and 2 are the only places left to see actual motorcycles racing. How anyone can defend the current state of the Premier Class is beyond me.

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Put the engineers back in their box and throw away the key.

AnnoyingTwit said:

But, I want the technical challenge to remain, even if races aren't so close.

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This is how it was a decade ago and the racing was a lot more exciting.

We’re in agreement that it shouldn’t be a spec racing series. But there’s tech that aid good racing (Eg Seamless gearbox) and tech that basically destroys all chances of overtaking (Aero dirty air, ride height devices).

I for one, can’t understand why MotoGP allows ride height devices; which have zero practical use outside of racing, but bans electronic suspension, which is tremendously useful in the real world. If racing is meant to improve road bikes, then focus on transferrable tech.

AnnoyingTwit said:

Both Moto3 and 2 have far less variation in the speed of the bikes compared to MotoGP. I wouldn't want to see MotoGP become a spec series or closer to it. Hence, on average, the racing is never going to be as close. But, I want the technical challenge to remain, even if races aren't so close.

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MotoGP is already close to being a spec series because the bikes are designed entirely to a control tire that is a genuine grade A piece of sh*t. Michelin have been here since 2016 and still cannot make what I consider a reasonably safe tire, as well as a tire even capable of handling the modern GP bikes properly. Is Bridgestone the answer? I have no idea. But I bet you if Pirelli came in and made a tire, it'd be a thousand times better than anything the French have been doing for the last decade. I digress. My point is that when you look at the current FIM Technical Rules & Regulations, they've made it so there's nothing left to explore OTHER THAN the moronic ride height devices and aerodynamics.

There's still going to be technical challenges no matter what as improvements are still made year to year, just not on a level that's massive.

MotoGP is behaving too much like Formula 1 at the moment in my opinion. Everything I grew to hate about F1 started popping up in GP. The one thing I will give F1 credit for is that they at least openly admitted there was a dirty air problem, and following cars closely was causing massive losses in downforce so you couldn't necessarily attack unless your car was that much faster than the one in front. Dorna and the FIM just buried their head in the sand when they saw what Ducati started doing 7-8 years earlier. I mean we could debate all day whether letting Ducati play catch up with basically re-writing the technical regs was a good thing or not at large for GP. My biggest complaint was you could see where this was all heading and then boom in came the ride height devices that pretty much nuked the playing field. And for what?

JPSLotus said:

MotoGP is already close to being a spec series because the bikes are designed entirely to a control tire that is a genuine grade A piece of sh*t.

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I’m fully in support of scrapping the spec tyre and letting multiple manufacturers in again.

Sure, it may eventually result in a single dominant tyre manufacturer, but I’d rather the results decide who that is and not a spec tyre tender.

synn said:

I’m fully in support of scrapping the spec tyre and letting multiple manufacturers in again.

Sure, it may eventually result in a single dominant tyre manufacturer, but I’d rather the results decide who that is and not a spec tyre tender.

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This is exactly how I feel.

I'd rather see a tire war again. Let the manufacturers make the best possible tire they can, that can be trusted not to kill the riders.

Get rid of this stupid tire pressure restrictions which is also ruining the racing. I get it was introduced to prevent teams from running pressures so low that it could cause a tire blowout, but it's turned into another beast altogether. And it's rewarding Michelin for their continued mediocrity. They don't want to design a proper tire so they cried to the FIM about the pressures to save themselves from being exposed as amateur hour.

JPSLotus said:

ther see a tire war again. Let the manufacturers make the best possible tire they can, that can be trusted not to kill the riders.

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This will also result in different bike philosophies that we used to have, instead of the “long and low Ducati style” that everyone has to revert to now.

One of the engineers (I forgot who) mentioned a while ago that the ideal engine configuration for modern motoGP is an inline triple, but the stupid max bore limit means that it will not happen.

The loose regs of the 990cc era plus the current days concessions would be the ideal combo IMO.

JPSLotus said:

Terrific Moto 2 race.

But godd*mn c'mon Dorna, don't show the pit garage when there's a massive scrap for P3-P5 going on heading into the final corner. Jesus Christ they totally blew the end of that race.

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Yeah they tend to show the facial expressions of team members DURING last lap battles. Wtf? Same goes for replay of the start, or hard breaking zone replays braking from speed x to y. Thanks for thst very useful information! They can do that but pause the live broadcast meanwhile ffs

JPSLotus said:

Moto 3 and 2 are the only places left to see actual motorcycles racing. How anyone can defend the current state of the Premier Class is beyond me.

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Jinxed it

synn said:

Jinxed it

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Of course I did! lol

Jesus, that Viñales off track excursion…

The fcuk did Martin do!

Jorge Martin is an idiot. I told you guys he was going to cough up the points lead.

MM with the ride of the day easily. If only he could qualify better...man.

synn said:

The fcuk did Martin do!

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There's a scientific term for it.

He CHOKED.

What a shocking turn of events*












* Luca Marini scored his first points as an HRC rider!

Zarco, Bradl, and Fernandez all under investigation for tire pressure. This is never going to end.

Man...
Frantisek can say thank you to Jörg and also to Bradl because Marc would've won if he started further up front.

After Jerez I thought that Jörg has the talent but not the nerves to be world champion. Today all but confirmed that.

Marcquez Bro's on the podium together for the first time!

The asking price of Gresini for a certain Sir Hamilton just went up by a few millions.