Radio Tavullia: Rossi without Burgess in 2014

I could understand him sacking JB if there was a better crew chief available....Unless Gabbarini or Forcada are available next year (doubtful) then nothing will change his results. But maybe VR knows something we dont......perhaps Gabbarini could be tempted to transition across to Yam - It seems he was out of the loop in Phillip Island and it has been mentioned that MM's management is looking to move some of his old crew into his side of the HRC garage. If that was the case you could understand Vale wanting to court Gabbarinis expertise and skills for his own gain.


 


If things were rosy between the two there is no way VR would have sacked JB like this. If he was out of contract in 2014 surely he would honour that after all that has transpired between the two. Seems a very sad end to a glorious partnership.

    The pair have enjoyed one of the most fruitful working relationships in

the history of Grand Prix racing, having won seven world titles in the

premier class together.
 But with Rossi looking for fresh influences next year in the Yamaha
Factory Racing team, having been unable to regularly challenge for

victories this year, the Italian will have a new Crew Chief in 2014.
Rossi announced the decision in Thursday’s press conference at Valencia
saying, “It’s not true that I’m unhappy with Jeremy’s work but it is

true that next year he won’t be my Chief Mechanic. It was a very

difficult decision for me because I have a great history with Jeremy. He

is not just my Chief Mechanic. He is like part of my family. My father

in racing.”
 “But I’ve decided for next year I need to change something to try to
find new motivation and to have a boost to improve my level, my speed.

So this will be my last race together with Jeremy.”
The Doctor went on to add, "We spoke today, face to face. Next year
will be crucial and I need new motivation. In the last few races I’ve

felt I wanted to work in a different way. It was a difficult choice to

make. Yamaha had asked me some time ago, but I decided recently."
 "In my head there is the idea of trying something new now. I’ve always
done that in my career. Next year I have to earn a renewal with Yamaha,

so I'll have to be competitive. I still do not know who will be the new

chief mechanic.”



http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2013/rossi+burgess+split+after+valencia+race


 


I find this part particularly interesting.


Yamaha had asked me some time ago, but I decided recently."
 "In my head there is the idea of trying something new now. I’ve always
done that in my career. Next year I have to earn a renewal with Yamaha,


 


This says to me it maybe more of a yam decision that a Rossi. A one last attempt to make things work or you're out.

Mr Squiggle

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I could understand him sacking JB if there was a better crew chief available....Unless Gabbarini or Forcada are available next year (doubtful) then nothing will change his results. But maybe VR knows something we dont......perhaps Gabbarini could be tempted to transition across to Yam - It seems he was out of the loop in Phillip Island and it has been mentioned that MM's management is looking to move some of his old crew into his side of the HRC garage. If that was the case you could understand Vale wanting to court Gabbarinis expertise and skills for his own gain.


 


If things were rosy between the two there is no way VR would have sacked JB like this. If he was out of contract in 2014 surely he would honour that after all that has transpired between the two. Seems a very sad end to a glorious partnership.

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Gabbarini isn't going anywhere - he has been promoted above Crew Cheif as the Technical Supervisor at HRC. This is a more senior role and isn't tied to any particular rider.

I can understand why he might want to try another direction to try to get back to the top. But I just don't see him getting back there again.


I expect he will probably be around the same position next year. If that happens he may find this decision one he regrets for a long time.


They may be friends for life, but getting the chop will not seal that scenario that's for sure. He may even feel a little betrayed.


It will be interesting to see if anyone else signs JB for next year, or if he drifts off into the sunset.

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Gabbarini isn't going anywhere - he has been promoted above Crew Cheif as the Technical Supervisor at HRC. This is a more senior role and isn't tied to any particular rider.

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Cheers for that....HRC would be crazy to let him go.

I heard Rossi regularly reads Powerslide and posts under the name Talpa.

He's been reading Geos advice on how to set up a GP bike and decided to dump JB for Crew Chief Geo.

This gives new meaning to turning a wheel in anger

Pigeon

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Move on

if this gets into .... flinging it will be the main story not the motogp champ being crowned this weekend

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No! A Valentino sideshow diverting attention from someone else winning something? I refuse to believe it!

chopperman

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I wouldn't be so quick to judge as you often are. Remember you claiming Rossi was happy about simo's death. All from a photo taken of Rossi disembarking a plane and had a facial expression that you jumped on. People like you live for these reports and jump on them with your hateful bile. Don't get me wrong geo, i understand and even acted similarly with anything regarding stoner. But in this case i will reserve judgement until i have at least head JB's version of events. Quoting MCN is laughable, the motorcycling tabloid press.

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From everything I gather, Matt Birt is very well respected. Any news he breaks himself I would trust to be true. No doubt the publication thrives on rumor and gossip, but I suspect much of the sensationalism thy report originates from Spanish or Italian press. If the news is out there, it's out there; and if you're passing on reporting on it then you're missing out on $£€ for moral reasons that the media industry abandoned long ago. Except for Krop, of course.

chopperman

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JB right from the off wanted Ducati to ditch the L4 and build a honda type V4 or yam type inline 4. This engine design being tried and tested for building a chassis with a more suitable geo set up. Ducati refused on "tradition" grounds. The twin spar which ducati did allow was a B plan that never worked. Rossi dragged JB to Ducati kicking and screaming, so to say Rossi would now blame jb makes no sense.

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Come on, Rog. Don't get me wrong, Ducati is in shambles and has been for a number of years now, but to criticize them for not reengineering their entire engine program because Jerry and Valentino asked them to is laughable. Valentino already got one made-to-order prototype, isn't that enough? ...., Casey won them a title and they told him where to stick his feedback because they knew better. At least Valentino got a twin-spar frame.

Oh, and to address the actual point of this thread: This is a business, and to an extent, Roger is right. These things happen. I don't think it has anything to do with Jerry's comments about the Ducati, and I don't think it has anything to do with Jerry's quotes about Valentino not being a title contender anymore. Jerry's always been an honest guy, I'm sure those public comments weren't the first time Rossi had heard Jerry speak candidly about The Doctor's waning abilities. I don't think Burgess wanted out, and I don't think Yamaha pushed him out.


As Roger says, I think Valentino knows that if he doesn't improve, he won't be at Yamaha past next year. Every rider on that grid firmly believes they are talented enough to winthey have to if they're to make it that far. I suspect this has more to do with the fact that after struggling throughout Fridays and Saturdays, as has been the case more often than not in the past three years, Jerry hasn't delivered many magic bullets by Sunday afternoons. Valentino knows he needs better results for next year, and I suspect at this point in his career he still believes he can win, so the logical move is to make a change at crew chief.


Is he he throwing Jerry under the bus? Yeah, a little bit. Jerry was his safety net when he first arrived at Honda, then followed him to Yamahaif I recall Jerry had reservations about that move, tooand then again to Ducati. Valentino owes Jerry a lot, that's for certain. But if you're faced with stagnating results and losing out on a very lucrative contract or part ways with a man who's probably just about ready to retire anyway, the conclusion isn't all that difficult to arrive at.

^ the voice of reason.

Austin

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Is he he throwing Jerry under the bus? Yeah, a little bit. Jerry was his safety net when he first arrived at Honda, then followed him to Yamahaif I recall Jerry had reservations about that move, tooand then again to Ducati. Valentino owes Jerry a lot, that's for certain. But if you're faced with stagnating results and losing out on a very lucrative contract or part ways with a man who's probably just about ready to retire anyway, the conclusion isn't all that difficult to arrive at.

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Austin has (typically) summed it up perfectly. To me it just feels like a bit of a shame that it is all going to end like this after being such a strong team that has achieved so much. To break it up just because you think a new engineer is going to solve your problems seems to be an arrogant decision. Can't think who Rossi/Yamaha are planning to bring on board, but when he sits down honestly with himself after the Valencia test without JB by his side anymore, I think he might regret what sounds like a decision he has made in haste. Five races into next season when results don't improve (or slide even further), he is going to look a fool.

Sloth_27

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Austin has (typically) summed it up perfectly. To me it just feels like a bit of a shame that it is all going to end like this after being such a strong team that has achieved so much. To break it up just because you think a new engineer is going to solve your problems seems to be an arrogant decision. Can't think who Rossi/Yamaha are planning to bring on board, but when he sits down honestly with himself after the Valencia test without JB by his side anymore, I think he might regret what sounds like a decision he has made in haste. Five races into next season when results don't improve (or slide even further), he is going to look a fool.

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Agreed. "Desperation," opined a corrupt cop in the cinematic classic that is Super Troopers, "is a stinky cologne."

This may be the work of a Powerslider


Post Desmodromic Stress Disorder


<span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px;New England Journal of Medical Science: 
<span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px;Abstract
<span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px;The term Post Desmodromic Stress Disorder (PDSD) has become a household name since its first appearance in 2008 in the third edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-lll) published by the American Psychiatric Association following a close examination of Groucho Marx look-alike Marco Melandri, an Italian motorcycle racer who won the World 250 Championship in 2002. The Ravenna-born Melandri was referred to the Association by a fellow Italian known as ‘The Doctor.’
<span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px;Melandri had been an out-going typically Italian male. That was until he spent a year alongside Australian Casey Stoner in the Ducati MotoGP team. Melandri had been signed to a two year contract but after taking out a mortgage on the back row of the starting grids over the course of the 2008 season, while Stoner was taking pole position on a regular basis. Melandri became remote, morose, detached and exhibited symptoms not unlike those of soldiers who had been in the trenches in World War I. 
<span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px;After ‘The Doctor’ referred him to expert psychiatrists in the USA, Melandri opted out of his Ducati contract and underwent treatment at the world renown Esalen Institute in California.
<span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px;Following a period of rehabilitation, Melandri was able to return to the world of motorcycle racing. 
<span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px;His condition was defined as Post Desmodromic Stress Disorder, a version of “soldier's heart, ” “shell shock,” and “war neurosis.” 
<span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px;Ironically, two years later, ‘The Doctor’, an interesting character who exhibits Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD), in which one is excessively preoccupied with issues of personal adequacy, power, prestige and vanity, himself signed a two year contract with Ducati. He firmly believed he and his Australian chief technician, Jeremy Burgess would take the Italian company back to the top and win the World MotoGP Championship. ‘The Doctor’ firmly believed his old friend Melandri had simply failed to win on the Ducati because he was intimidated by it. ‘The Doctor’ managed to persuade Ducati management to spend what is conservatively estimated at 100 million Euros in a series of new chassis for the Ducati MotoGP machine to make it a winner. Had the Ducati management recognised ‘The Doctor’ as suffering from NPD, it is doubtful it would have taken this route. NPD affects one percent of the population. High profile victims are the current Queensland Premier and his aide-de-camp, Roaring Rodney MacDonald. 
<span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px;But like his friend Melandri, The Doctor’s failure on the Ducati was complete. Unlike Melandri, he served out his two year contract, becoming introverted, morose and verging on a complete mental breakdown. He too was diagnosed as suffering Post Desmodromic Stress Disorder. The latter diagnosis was equivalent to the névrose de guerre and Kriegsneurose of French and German scientific literature. This article describes how the immediate and chronic consequences of Melandri and ‘The Doctors’ psychological trauma made their way into medical literature, and how concepts of diagnosis and treatment evolved over time, and consider the recent parting of The Doctor and Jeremy Burgess in this light. 
<span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px;Keywords: Post Desmodromic Stress Disorder, shell shock: psychotraumatology, literature, history of medicine

J4rn0

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...the seed of the divorce was sown at the time of the famous '80 seconds'. Burgess' optimistic evaluation of the possibility to be competitive on a Ducati was completely wrong ...

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chopperman

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...I disagree about the 80 sec comment and rossi trusting jb getting the bike competitive and blaming him for not doing so...Also the 80 sec comment was taken out of context by the drama hungry media. I read an article quoting JB that said the 80 secs was the time needed to wheel the bike to the skip and throw it in...

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It seems that for every time this '80 second' quote is wheeled out, 80% of the time it is completely incorrect.


 


This is what he said - in context:


 

What does Valentino like in a bike?


“He likes a bike that has grip and that would be front and rear. But you have to maximize the package, but I can see that Casey and Nicky run quite different settings on the bike, just from observations of the geometry on the bike.”


 


Which would Valentino be closer to?


“Difficult to say, without knowing where the weight is on the bike and how it behaves. But, without question, I don’t anticipate any major dramas. I can watch some of these lesser riders on the Ducatis and you ca<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Arial, Verdana, sans-serif;font-size:14px;n see that the bikes are, in my opinion, unsuitably set for what they want to try and do with them. I’m not saying anybody’s doing a bad job. I see these things wobbling around. When I think, clearly, if we had that issue with Valentino it’d be fixed in 80 seconds<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Arial, Verdana, sans-serif;font-size:14px;, but some riders don’t like the hardness of the bike, because they don’t get the feel. But then when they’re riding around and it’s too soft they’re not going forward either. So you’ve got to be able to create the feel with the hardness to avoid all that sloppiness.

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chopperman

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I agree about the part of JB saying things about Rossi that may not sit well. I disagree about the 80 sec comment and rossi trusting jb getting the bike competitive and blaming him for not doing so.


Firstly JB did not want to go to Ducati and had even indicated retiring. At the time this gave the aussies a hard on because they wondered whether he would go to HRC and be Stoners crew cheif.


Also the 80 sec comment was taken out of context by the drama hungry media. I read an article quoting JB that said the 80 secs was the time needed to wheel the bike to the skip and throw it in.


JB right from the off wanted Ducati to ditch the L4 and build a honda type V4 or yam type inline 4. This engine design being tried and tested for building a chassis with a more suitable geo set up. Ducati refused on "tradition" grounds. The twin spar which ducati did allow was a B plan that never worked. Rossi dragged JB to Ducati kicking and screaming, so to say Rossi would now blame jb makes no sense.

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I didn't say he 'blames' JB for that (eventually they decided together); but I clearly remember Burgess saying that the 2011 move to Ducati would be actually easier than 2004 to Yamaha because the 2010 Ducati was a more competitive bike than the 2003 Yam. And it was, in Stoner's hands. Then he may have preferred staying at Yamaha, just as he preferred staying at Honda, but that doesn't change his optimistic evaluation of their success chances. Surely they didn't move to Ducati with a plan to make them design a Honda or a Yamaha (which would have been really a long term project). Add to this that Burgess' magic touch already looked like it was fading in 2010, when he was regularly beaten by Forcada in setting up the M1 (as he is now). Add all problems to this day, and you see why this love story is now over. That's the point.

I don't care either way. I know that put Stoner and Rossi on an M1 or Lorenzo and Rossi or Marquez and Rossi and Rossi is always going to be coming in second place.


 


His day is done. He was once great, now merely awesome


 


I believe that J Burgess, given any bike to spanner on, will do better than 99% of other race bike engineers out there. I can see why Rossi let him go, at least he still has a career ahead of him


 


Has Scott Redding's new crew been announced? Who wants a cheeky couple of sovs on that one?

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 Has Scott Redding's new crew been announced? Who wants a cheeky couple of sovs on that one?

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I still can't decide if Pete Benson's any good.

He's fkn awesome! (but then, I'm biased )


 


Who's he crewing for now? I know he's staying with Marc VDS. Interesting that he declined to go to Gresini, but opted to stay in Moto2 - who knows, it could be personal reasons, pressure, anything.

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I though you might be right too Bluegreen, but this quote from VR above sounds like JB was shocked to hear the news.


 

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The good news is that JB will be working on the transporters next year.

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Very disappointed. Lost some respect for Rossi. If he can't dig deep and find that extra bit of pace he should just man up and end it. To blame JB and do this to him at the end is sad. And just my .02 cents, even if (big if) it was down to JB not being able to find that extra 1/10 here or there they've been working together for so long they should have just gone out together. Rossi should have swallowed his pride and took one for the team and kept his mouth shut, put somebody else first for once.


 


Edit: Just read Austin's post. He speaks reason. Me? Not as much, I think for loyalty he should have stuck by JB, but I guess Vale thinks it's his last year to make an impact and want's to do everything he can, I get it, just not what I would have done.

Next question. Who is running the garage on Monday?

Don't know what;s going back there in Rossi's garage.....


 


but with his decision.. Rossi is taking the "warrior" path...


 


If he wins next year.. then he is on glory..


 


If not.. then (sadly) I think his era is over..


 


 


He could easily keep JB for next year. and -if- he still not winning next year . .. people (may) still got JB to blame..


 


   Now ... Rossi will not have any excuses for next year... that's what I called it .. "A Warrior Path" 


 


 
 

bluegreen

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Next question. Who is running the garage on Monday?

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<span style="font-family:Arial, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;Silvano Galbraith ?


 


http://www.gpone.com/en/2013110812131/Galbusera-al-posto-di-Burgess-con-Rossi.html