Personally i am eager to read JB's side of the story. It may back up the Rossi haters but then again it may shed a whole new light on the story. Either way i can see some fun erupting on powerslide lol
Jumkie
Exactly right. A picture may speak a thousand words but a snap shot in time doesn't tell the whole story.
Exactly right. A picture may speak a thousand words but a snap shot in time doesn't tell the whole story.
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chopperman
Sure, being a rapacious ....... make it so much easier to make a buck. Believe me, after working for several large, shark-infested companies, I have NO illusions about that! But rationalizing such behavior as "that's business" is a colossal cop-out.
If your code of morality can't survive the morning commute to work, it isn't worth much, is it?
Sure, being a rapacious ....... make it so much easier to make a buck. Believe me, after working for several large, shark-infested companies, I have NO illusions about that! But rationalizing such behavior as "that's business" is a colossal cop-out.
If your code of morality can't survive the morning commute to work, it isn't worth much, is it?
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Jumkie
Jum, I've buried my share.
From my POV, moments of gallows humor, sharing of funny stories, etc., is something that goes on among those mourning, among those who shared the life of the deceased and share in the experience of losing that person. Of course you can't be 100% grim and miserable. But painting on a Big Clown Smile for the ....... camera does not qualify. Right or wrong, that's how I see that incident.
Jum, I've buried my share.
From my POV, moments of gallows humor, sharing of funny stories, etc., is something that goes on among those mourning, among those who shared the life of the deceased and share in the experience of losing that person. Of course you can't be 100% grim and miserable. But painting on a Big Clown Smile for the ....... camera does not qualify. Right or wrong, that's how I see that incident.
shovelhead
That's still not to say JB didn't tell Rossi he wanted to move on . He could be let out of such contract without penalty. Happens all the time if there are good feelings between each party.
That's still not to say JB didn't tell Rossi he wanted to move on . He could be let out of such contract without penalty. Happens all the time if there are good feelings between each party.
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Geonerd
Oh we know that Dexter. Just where did you bury them? The grieving mothers and a few detectives would like to know. The backyard??? Under the trailer wheels??? In the desert????
Oh we know that Dexter. Just where did you bury them? The grieving mothers and a few detectives would like to know. The backyard??? Under the trailer wheels??? In the desert????
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Geonerd
This is a classic Angry Geo post.
Start with moralizing behavior.
Lash out at said perpetrator or mechanism of said action ie: ....... CAMERA... ....... MORONS
Villify perpetrator and demean them. YELLOW CLOWN !! UNCLE _________( fill in the blank)
And finalize by camouflaging anger as anxious frustration
SIGH!!! DRAT!!!! AARGH!!!
This is a classic Angry Geo post.
Start with moralizing behavior.
Lash out at said perpetrator or mechanism of said action ie: ....... CAMERA... ....... MORONS
Villify perpetrator and demean them. YELLOW CLOWN !! UNCLE _________( fill in the blank)
And finalize by camouflaging anger as anxious frustration
SIGH!!! DRAT!!!! AARGH!!!
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Tuscany, Italy
My take on all this is that a new chief is not going to change much for Rossi, But the seed of the divorce was sown at the time of the famous '80 seconds'. Burgess' optimistic evaluation of the possibility to be competitive on a Ducati was completely wrong (and Rossi had trusted him on that); now after three rather difficult years there is not much passion left between the two. On top of all that Burgess has been quite outspoken recently, going on record about the fact that Valentino is not that young anymore, not as fast, etc.; and that is something Rossi doesn't want to hear. So there you are.
Dr No
The evidence would seem to be that it was a matter of misconceived strategy or misunderstanding of the (hastily devised) rules rather than miscounting the laps. Sure MM is ultimately responsible, but the reaction in the pits from his crew suggests they had a share in that strategy, and Gabbarini didn't.
I am not sure what we are arguing about. I am not saying that MM should be exonerated for any of his incidents, just that his crew seem to me to promote rather than curb his impetuosity.
The evidence would seem to be that it was a matter of misconceived strategy or misunderstanding of the (hastily devised) rules rather than miscounting the laps. Sure MM is ultimately responsible, but the reaction in the pits from his crew suggests they had a share in that strategy, and Gabbarini didn't.
I am not sure what we are arguing about. I am not saying that MM should be exonerated for any of his incidents, just that his crew seem to me to promote rather than curb his impetuosity.
J4rn0
I agree about the part of JB saying things about Rossi that may not sit well. I disagree about the 80 sec comment and rossi trusting jb getting the bike competitive and blaming him for not doing so.
Firstly JB did not want to go to Ducati and had even indicated retiring. At the time this gave the aussies a hard on because they wondered whether he would go to HRC and be Stoners crew cheif.
Also the 80 sec comment was taken out of context by the drama hungry media. I read an article quoting JB that said the 80 secs was the time needed to wheel the bike to the skip and throw it in.
JB right from the off wanted Ducati to ditch the L4 and build a honda type V4 or yam type inline 4. This engine design being tried and tested for building a chassis with a more suitable geo set up. Ducati refused on "tradition" grounds. The twin spar which ducati did allow was a B plan that never worked. Rossi dragged JB to Ducati kicking and screaming, so to say Rossi would now blame jb makes no sense.
I agree about the part of JB saying things about Rossi that may not sit well. I disagree about the 80 sec comment and rossi trusting jb getting the bike competitive and blaming him for not doing so.
Firstly JB did not want to go to Ducati and had even indicated retiring. At the time this gave the aussies a hard on because they wondered whether he would go to HRC and be Stoners crew cheif.
Also the 80 sec comment was taken out of context by the drama hungry media. I read an article quoting JB that said the 80 secs was the time needed to wheel the bike to the skip and throw it in.
JB right from the off wanted Ducati to ditch the L4 and build a honda type V4 or yam type inline 4. This engine design being tried and tested for building a chassis with a more suitable geo set up. Ducati refused on "tradition" grounds. The twin spar which ducati did allow was a B plan that never worked. Rossi dragged JB to Ducati kicking and screaming, so to say Rossi would now blame jb makes no sense.
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chopperman
Read Rossi's quotes. If that was the case, surely he would have said "JB wants to move on/retire" instead of saying "it was my decision, I need a change, I can't ride for .... anymore and I'm looking for other people to blame other than my own sorry arse."
This is the nail in the coffin for Rossi, he should have swallowed his pride and bowed out himself. Whatever his lack of pace is caused by, it's hardly his crew chief. JB had stuck by him despite the ego driven move to Ducati, and now Rossi hasn't even given him the opportunity to retire on his own terms.
Read Rossi's quotes. If that was the case, surely he would have said "JB wants to move on/retire" instead of saying "it was my decision, I need a change, I can't ride for .... anymore and I'm looking for other people to blame other than my own sorry arse."
This is the nail in the coffin for Rossi, he should have swallowed his pride and bowed out himself. Whatever his lack of pace is caused by, it's hardly his crew chief. JB had stuck by him despite the ego driven move to Ducati, and now Rossi hasn't even given him the opportunity to retire on his own terms.
Sloth_27
I'm not saying these quotes are correct or incorrect, in fact i dont even know if these are actual quotes, what language they were made in or whether they have been translated to project the correct spirit of the interview. This is why i said i would wait until i have heard JB's response before forming any judgement. I would rather hear it from the horses mouth than some Italian radio station and or MCN.
I'm not saying these quotes are correct or incorrect, in fact i dont even know if these are actual quotes, what language they were made in or whether they have been translated to project the correct spirit of the interview. This is why i said i would wait until i have heard JB's response before forming any judgement. I would rather hear it from the horses mouth than some Italian radio station and or MCN.
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