MotoGP: 2015 Round 07 - Catalunya (SPOILERS)
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I had a fear it was going to be 09 over again, but wanted Lorenzo to win.
That's what came to my mind too, maybe he was hoping to do the same with JLo?
Again I thought this, you have to wonder...
No, I don't think he is actually malevolent.
To be fair in this race he went off track and crashed to avoid crashing into Lorenzo, but what he was doing putting his bike where he did in that corner particularly if not fully confident in it is the question for me, given that he didn't really seem to be intending or attempting a pass.
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I have them on my GoPro. Once I find that usb adaptor I'll upload a few. It's a seriously cool event. I'm coming back next year.
Marquez just won them back-to-back titles. They have no alternative to him. He has all the leverage.
In truth, your comment is unbelievable. You cannot be sure (or even have any confidence in saying) that the bike did not produce a 'moment' that caused MM to lose control in turn-in. Only MM and Repsol Honda's dataloggers know that. To lambast Krops on this basis is unjustified.
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But they say you are only as good as your last race. And he's fallen in them both.
People cannot criticise Crutchlow for continuously falling from the top 5/6 and absolve MM of the same criticism.
The second time I watched the replay, I did wonder if he had some sort of mechanical failure because he seemed to barrell into the gravel trap much faster than just a simple 'run on' and expected him to say so in his interview, but alas he said he was just pushing too hard.
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First of all Kropo did NOT describe the cause as an acute technical malfuction, or as u say "moment" to cause the crash. So how do I respond to your revision of the argument?
Cannot have any confidence in saying? So by your logic (weak) every crash ever in the history of the sport can be surmised with no confidence in what occurred. That must mean we can always blame the bike and not the riders.
Count the fallers at Catalunya. By this logic they may ALL have experienced problems with their bike whereby we could declare with certainty (as Kropo has done) that because they crashed "perfectly illustrates" the machines are pieces of .....
Except Pedrosa rode the same bike without crashing! That's what gives me the confidence in calling ........ on Kracpot's spin on the crash.
What you're trying to support is that Marc had an acute technical problem that caused him to crash out. He did NOT. He is aware of this supposed limitation and continues to ignore it. Even taking Kropo at his ridiculous word that the Honda is a piece of ...., the absurdity of your support for his statement negates the rider's input to heed the machine's limitations. EITHER way it was still RIDER ERROR. So me calling ........ on Krapo is sound.
Allow me to quote Nick Harris: "that was not the bike or anything else other than rider error."
Do u find it odd that when everyone else crashes it's often rider error and only rarely deemed a technical malfunction EXCEPT when it comes to Marquez according to Kropo? Marquez a rider with an infamous history of overriding. Yet when others crash it was rider error 99% of the time. Exactly where do u get your support for Kropo's logic on this? Jack and the bean stock perhaps?
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I should have remembered that. Keshav has kept the theory going in your absence.
I as you know have a strong prejudice against MM because of incidents in his moto2 days, particularly the Willairot incident.
I think Keshav, also not a fan, has argued recently though, if before this race, that he has been less careless recently (depends a little what you think about the crash after Rossi passed him in the earlier race I guess), which Bradley Smith more or less supports by his comment post this race, and to be fair as I said earlier he did go off track to avoid Lorenzo in this incident. Someone also said elsewhere that he didn't take his medicine and still tried to make the corner too fast when he got into the dirt which may also be true but he didn't really endanger anyone.
I think he has had luck in not being injured as badly as he could have been in some past crashes, and some luck as well as talent in keeping the bike upright on quite a few occasions, and to my mind does have a tendency, for whatever reason, to stay too close to riders ahead of him in corners when not attempting a pass leaving little margin for even minor errors or variations.
It does occur to me that the current criticism of MM is along similar lines to that applied to Stoner when his results became less stellar at Ducati , which gives me some pause having been on the other side of that argument. There was also some body of opinion mostly from extremists that last year proved Jorge was a fundamentally flawed rider which isn't looking very correct just now.
So perhaps we shouldn't totally forget MM did win those championships and all those races. As you have long argued they all do need suitable equipment to deliver results, and this year seems to be proving at the least that MM is no exception to this.
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At least they aren't pirellis. Imagine a tire blowout on a motogp bike [emoji38] [emoji38] [emoji38]
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Mike, Kesh said Marc had "evolved", though when I asked him compared to what period of time, he responded, the present. So I guess his evolutionary period is exactly right now, so much for the concept of 'evolution'. Mike help me understand something, how can a rider error which caused a precarious and dangerous situation, a near miss of Lorenzo in this case, be also rider skill because he did not plow into him both simultaneously an argument for rider skill? Wasn't the incident first a rider error (decidedly skill error)?
This argument reminds me of a cop defense here recently. They beat a homeless guy to death, on camera no less. They argued he died because of having a weak body on account of being homeless.
This argument reminds me of a cop defense here recently. They beat a homeless guy to death, on camera no less. They argued he died because of having a weak body on account of being homeless.
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MM is undoubtedly blessed with natural talent; he knows that without a doubt. Last two seasons he had a perfect match-up with the bike in those iterations. Unfortunately - he puts too much stock in his ability to ride on the edge and ignores the need for tactics. He either believes his capacity to ride inches away from a competitor's back wheel is terrifically clever or intimidating (or both) and he's learning (hopefully) that old war horses like Rossi and Lorenzo can't be intimidated. Hopefully it won't take shocking injury like Lorenzo experienced when he was trying to unsettle Rossi in the first year as his teammate. Remember that amazing high-side?
In MM's defense, the MSMA changed the sport. Back in the day, you'd never put an inexperienced kid on a 500cc 2-stroke, and that's why Fast Freddie's triumph was such a phenomenon. Until electronics arrived at the turn of the millennium, 2-stroke champs were in their mid to late 20s by the time they could win a championship. Rainey was 30.
In the modern era, the bikes have electronic aids. The riders are quick straight away, and the manufacturers push kids on the bikes. Vinales and Miller? Few of these young riders have the mental maturity to handle a grand prix motorcycle. Marquez is no exception. He's as dumb as any other 22 year old.
The post to which you replied is not my best argued, my point was that when he lost it (no doubt due to an error and from a position too close to Lorenzo ) he seemed to have a strong concern not to run into Lorenzo, perhaps the best move for him as well anyway admittedly, but not an impression I had of him in the days of the Willairot incident.
It was mainly RCV's post that gave me pause, not the Kropotkin aspect but remembering all the posts I made arguing , mostly against that certain element among GP racing fandom that Stoner's travails in 2010 were all down to him and not the Ducati.
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It makes a strong argument for why 2-stroke bikes should be the norm at the premier class. Instead of throwing out mentally immature kids onto the bikes in their late teens, or early 20s, the teams might actual focus on truly developing riders properly.
Christ, I can't even imagine being on one of those bikes at 21 or 22 years old, and being mentally capable of handling that. I was a huge hot-head back then, and I probably would have reenacted Road Rash with guys out there.
I think one day there's eventually going to be a huge push back on electronics in not just MotoGP, but motor racing in general. People say it's a natural outgrowth of progression, but if the nature of sport is to entertain, eventually it's not entertaining to watch all measure of driver/rider assists being put into play. Mind you, they still have to perform, but what exactly is the benefit of all of these electronics? If MotoGP switched back to 2-strokes next year, it'd probably do more for the ratings since people would be tuning in to watch the riders try to tame those bikes.
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Mike, I'm still a bit confused, so because Marquez managed to narrowly miss Lorenzo this is in your estimation noteworthy of Marc's "strong concern" for Jorge's safety? Wouldn't it be easier for Marquez to show his strong concern for his colleagues by not putting them in a situation (repeatedly) in which he HAS rammed riders from behind?
Regarding your sensitivity to some kind of corollary of: the rider is to blame vs the machine is to blame, given your defense of Stoner 's Ducati experience; allow me to point out a pivotal point, the other similarly branded HRC machines have won and have been on the podium with regularity UNLIKE the GP07,08,09, etc. and so forth. I understand your sensitivity but a corollary to Marc on a RCV can hardly be made to Stoner on a Ducati, unless one is a fool. Which to use his words "perfectly illustrates" how absurd is Kropo's argument.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUSjITnIlvk
That's MM's real colors.
Only a matter of time before we see that .... happen with the way he is riding now. JL nearly wound up like that yesterday.
That's MM's real colors.
Only a matter of time before we see that .... happen with the way he is riding now. JL nearly wound up like that yesterday.
