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Congratulations Márquez. Keith Huewan, in one of his token moronic moments was blithering words to the effect of "who said the Honda was the hardest bike to ride? We've had four victors and Marquez has won five races". Firstly, both Cal and Jack can be attributed to tyres and to a lesser extent, rider - the limitations of the Honda mitigated by the weather. Dani, again a very shrewd tyre choice, but a superb ride. Trust me, if that bike was an easy proposition this championship may have been all but a formality by the summer break. As many have stated, Marc has learned to control his inner aggression, ride for points where necessary, understand the limits (both his own and those of the motorcycle), and productively channel his outright speed. A very worthy title.

My impartial observation over the years is...unearthly talent aside, Valentino Rossi does not respond well to pressure or situations beyond his control. And in saying 'beyond his control' - read into that what you will. Hence the increasingly desperate mind games - Unfortunately for him, he has now at this late stage in his career encountered a rival who is utterly immune to his provocation. Every championship is hard earned but there will be no tenth title gift wrapped as in some previous seasons. In fact, it is increasingly likely that there will be no tenth title. I recall when Vale launched into his extraordinary diatribe about Phillip Island in the pre-race press conference at Sepang. In particular, when he made allegations about Marc's integrity and cast aspersions as to whether he had actually been a fan of his as a child as Marc has claimed, I saw the perma- smile that we are so accustomed to fade. My immediate thought was, this is not Biaggi, no Gibernau, no Lorenzo...even Stoner - you've seriously ...... up there Valentino.

Once HRC get back inside that engine again over the winter and develop the new plant for 07, if they exploit the potential of the RCV in harmony with the shareware we may as well engrave the trophy in Marc's name for next year as well. I have no doubt that as a rider he will only get stronger psychologically and as his race craft improves, become unassailable. With Mav arriving in the Yamaha garage, the mind games and the intimidation will be directed elsewhere, particularly when the internal threat within the team gathers momentum.

As I saw it Vale was trying to match Marc's pace and paid the price probably under trail braking. Similarly, Lorenzo was responding to Dovi and also lost the front through pushing. Kudos to both riders, particularly Valentino for trying to take it to Marc. Interestingly lap records under the Michelin's tend to have come later in the race, with the Bridgestone's it was earlier.

Even after MM wins the title, instead of talking about that... some of you would rather imagine wild scenarios about what Rossi will do for the remaining races. Apparently, MM winning doesn't provide enough entertainment, you need Rossi to keep this forum going.

Of course this forum needs Valentino - mythology aside and whatever any of his detractors think, the man is afterall a legend of the sport. I would argue that the sport needs him too, in whatever capacity, but in general, we need his fans like a dose of syphilis.

Entertainment? Absolutely - I get that from watching Vale ride a motorcycle, not his mobilisation of his pathetic yellow clad minions nor his pathetic attempts to besmirch other riders. Frankly it was .... when Valentino crashed out today - much worse than Jorge, because he was taking it to Marc. I don't care who wins, so long as I see close racing and as I have always said, I want to see as many riders not only up at the sharp end, but keeping it upright. Saying that, I was reminded of the shameless and deplorable jeering and cheering and celebrations of crashes amongst so called 'fans' of this sport - They are not, they are a fan base associated with one particular rider who refused to condemn such reprehensible trackside behaviour in the stands. I do not subscribe to belief in karma in the metaphysical sense, but I do think that whatever you put out there can have a habit of biting you on the .... I would not so much as allow myself a wry smile when Vale went down, because it disappointed me and always hope that the championship can go to the wire. However, the irony was not lost on me.

Big congrats to Marquez but I also have to say great job for Mike Jones as well.

Thrown in at the deepend and still bought it home.

May have been last of those left running, but he still finished .

Good effort first time out in unfamiliar territory

Absolutely agree Gaz. This was similar to Brendan Clarke when he was bought into replace the sacked Chris Walker on the NSR in 2001 - only Clarke had no championship to his name. In face, no one had heard his name.

As we'we heared, Dani's surgery was successful.

In addition to the collarbone injury they also found a fibula fracture. It had to be immobilised, will not need surgery.

Source (in Spanish)

Good news and thank you so much for posting this.
 
Even after MM wins the title, instead of talking about that... some of you would rather imagine wild scenarios about what Rossi will do for the remaining races. Apparently, MM winning doesn't provide enough entertainment, you need Rossi to keep this forum going.

See.... this is what sets racing fans apart from boppers. Racing fans have been rabidly following the sport decades before Rossi ever threw his leg over the saddle of a bike, and we will continue to do so. You guys can't picture a world without Rossi.

In the event.... Congrats to Marc. Lets hope that Honda in their glory, don't lose sight of the fact that their best asset is Marquez and don't get stupid putting overmuch emphasis on the horsepower, but rather refine the engine's capacity to mesh with the electronics, and not "improve" the chassis in a direction that doesn't work for Marquez - again. For Marky - a smart season indeed; tho not for Michelin, and surely not for Yamaha. People have been saying for years that they were shortsighted in placing all their eggs in Rossi's basket and it's only going to be worse next year when their chickens come home to roost. Sorry to see the season end prematurely and sorrier still to know Lorenzo will be on the Duc next year. Anyone looking for the soap opera of 2017 need look no further than the Yamaha garage. Once Vinales starts taking the wind out of Rossi's sails on a regular basis - the melt-downs will commence.

It was a magic time when Lorenzo and Stoner made their debuts in MotoGp. A decade later their relevance is diminished (in terms of the actual races being run) - so I'm already looking around and wondering when the next "alien" will make his appearance. Vinales is talented -but I don't think it'll be him.
 
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See.... this is what sets racing fans apart from boppers. Racing fans have been rabidly following the sport decades before Rossi ever threw his leg over the saddle of a bike, and we will continue to do so. You guys can't picture a world without Rossi.

You're essentially claiming no one can be a racing fan unless they're old. You're incorrect.

A Rossi fan can also be a fan of racing and Rossi himself loves the sport and has thoroughly studied those that came before him.

You want to organize every Rossi fan into a neat group of individuals that care only about what Rossi does. Sorry, but every fan that supports him doesn't fit into that group. You simply only pay attention to the ones that follow Rossi instead of the sport.

Even people on this forum that claim to hate Rossi, can't picture the sport without him because he's the only rider that can be used to produce threads 50+ pages long. No matter what happens during the remainder of the season, the entire off-season on this forum will be full of Rossi-talk and it wont be from Rossi fans... it'll be fueled by the usual suspects here that claim they don't like him.
 
I always love the Japanese Grand Prix whether it is GP or F1. Japan has been home to so many memorable moments over the years. In particular, what I've found with the October races at Motegi and Suzuka, is that when the sun shines, it adds a particular surreal dream-like quality to the race that creates an atmosphere unlike any other. Many world champions have been crowned in Japan. When Damon Hill won at Suzuka in 1996, the memory is of Damon climbing out of the Williams-Renault bathed in that sleepy afternoon sun, turning the moment into a living daydream.

Today was the same thing with Marc Marquez. The statistical odds said the title was not going to be decided till Phillip Island at the earliest. Yet, the universe seemed to take a deep breath, and decide to roll her dice as she is wont to do. Valentino Rossi found himself on the ragged edge for a moment, before turn 10 claimed another victim this weekend. Some would call it karmic payback for the hell he wrought upon his fellow competitors over the last 17 premier class seasons. It would be hard to argue this point as the finality of seeing him pinned underneath his Yamaha M1, was the perfect metaphor of the sport's Atlas finally unable to bear the burden of holding the world up...and it finally came crashing down on him. A victim of the pressure that saw him unable to convert what was thought to be an unassailable lead at Valencia 10 years gone. The victim of the pressure that a 21 year old Australian brought to bear the following season. The victim of the pressure that saw him sure he could win on the Desmosedici. And the victim of the pressure that a world title slipping away down the stretch in 2015 brought to bear. Not lost in the moment was Nick Harris' voice taking on an inflection that had me staring at the speakers on the television wondering if such a somber tone would even be conveyed if the Queen had passed away. The utter despair, no doubt reflecting the feelings of millions of yellow-clad, Valentino Rossi fans was surreal.

Marc Marquez became a 5-times world champion nearly a year younger in age than Valentino Rossi who bagged his 5th title in 2003 on the RC211V. Unlike those days, MM is doing it against some of the fiercest competition we have seen on the grid in nearly 23 years. And he did it on a machine that was not up to the standard we've come to expect from HRC. While many will say the bike was better than advertised, I will never hold that opinion. Excluding the two wet weather satellite victories, only Dani Pedrosa won a race besides MM, and it took the right tire selection to do this at Misano. It was a GP07-esque machine that will be claimed to have been great by those who don't know better. But those who know better, will say it was the most improbable world championship since 2007 based on the finicky nature of the machine and it's electronics. The rumored big bang engine that the RCV will have for 2017 is going to give MM the tool he needs to utterly demolish the field.

I am now willing to say MM with his win today and the clinching of the 2016 title, is truly an alien rider. His performance today was outstanding. This was MM when he is at his best; knows when and where to take risks and forces those behind him to make errors trying to keep up. As long as he stays healthy, how the 2010's are closed out, is going to be fascinating. He stands to have a high probability of tying VR's record in 2020, and breaking it in 2021.

This was a great day for motorcycle racing fans, and a worthy follow-up to last season where what should have been a great title celebration, was tainted by the behavior of one man. Michelin however do need to shore up their front tires. I do not want to see these problems continuing into 2017.
 
You're essentially claiming no one can be a racing fan unless they're old. You're incorrect.

A Rossi fan can also be a fan of racing and Rossi himself loves the sport and has thoroughly studied those that came before him.

You want to organize every Rossi fan into a neat group of individuals that care only about what Rossi does. Sorry, but every fan that supports him doesn't fit into that group. You simply only pay attention to the ones that follow Rossi instead of the sport.

Even people on this forum that claim to hate Rossi, can't picture the sport without him because he's the only rider that can be used to produce threads 50+ pages long. No matter what happens during the remainder of the season, the entire off-season on this forum will be full of Rossi-talk and it wont be from Rossi fans... it'll be fueled by the usual suspects here that claim they don't like him.

No - as usual you're habitually obtuse. I'm saying that fans who only started watching since the Rossi era, lack perspective. Champions come and go. But the racing continues.

And who the .... cares if the threads go on for 50 pages? You clearly confuse quantity with quality. The pissing matches over Rossi are boring in the extreme. The length of a thread on some internet forum is not what decides if racing is good or interesting. 50 pages of the same old .... is just another boring pissing match and has no significance to the value of racing itself.
 
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No - as usual you insist on being obtuse. I'm saying that fans who only started watching since the Rossi era, lack perspective. Champions come and go. But the racing continues.

And who the .... cares if the threads go on for 50 pages? You clearly confuse quantity with quality. The pissing matches over Rossi are boring in the extreme. The length of a thread on some internet forum is not what decides if racing is good or interesting. 50 pages of the same old .... is just another boring pissing match and has no significance to the value of racing itself.

Nothing prevents the fans that started watching during the Rossi era from going back and watching older races.
 
I always love the Japanese Grand Prix whether it is GP or F1. Japan has been home to so many memorable moments over the years. In particular, what I've found with the October races at Motegi and Suzuka, is that when the sun shines, it adds a particular surreal dream-like quality to the race that creates an atmosphere unlike any other. Many world champions have been crowned in Japan. When Damon Hill won at Suzuka in 1996, the memory is of Damon climbing out of the Williams-Renault bathed in that sleepy afternoon sun, turning the moment into a living daydream.

Today was the same thing with Marc Marquez. The statistical odds said the title was not going to be decided till Phillip Island at the earliest. Yet, the universe seemed to take a deep breath, and decide to roll her dice as she is wont to do. Valentino Rossi found himself on the ragged edge for a moment, before turn 10 claimed another victim this weekend. Some would call it karmic payback for the hell he wrought upon his fellow competitors over the last 17 premier class seasons. It would be hard to argue this point as the finality of seeing him pinned underneath his Yamaha M1, was the perfect metaphor of the sport's Atlas finally unable to bear the burden of holding the world up...and it finally came crashing down on him. A victim of the pressure that saw him unable to convert what was thought to be an unassailable lead at Valencia 10 years gone. The victim of the pressure that a 21 year old Australian brought to bear the following season. The victim of the pressure that saw him sure he could win on the Desmosedici. And the victim of the pressure that a world title slipping away down the stretch in 2015 brought to bear. Not lost in the moment was Nick Harris' voice taking on an inflection that had me staring at the speakers on the television wondering if such a somber tone would even be conveyed if the Queen had passed away. The utter despair, no doubt reflecting the feelings of millions of yellow-clad, Valentino Rossi fans was surreal.

Marc Marquez became a 5-times world champion nearly a year younger in age than Valentino Rossi who bagged his 5th title in 2003 on the RC211V. Unlike those days, MM is doing it against some of the fiercest competition we have seen on the grid in nearly 23 years. And he did it on a machine that was not up to the standard we've come to expect from HRC. While many will say the bike was better than advertised, I will never hold that opinion. Excluding the two wet weather satellite victories, only Dani Pedrosa won a race besides MM, and it took the right tire selection to do this at Misano. It was a GP07-esque machine that will be claimed to have been great by those who don't know better. But those who know better, will say it was the most improbable world championship since 2007 based on the finicky nature of the machine and it's electronics. The rumored big bang engine that the RCV will have for 2017 is going to give MM the tool he needs to utterly demolish the field.

I am now willing to say MM with his win today and the clinching of the 2016 title, is truly an alien rider. His performance today was outstanding. This was MM when he is at his best; knows when and where to take risks and forces those behind him to make errors trying to keep up. As long as he stays healthy, how the 2010's are closed out, is going to be fascinating. He stands to have a high probability of tying VR's record in 2020, and breaking it in 2021.

This was a great day for motorcycle racing fans, and a worthy follow-up to last season where what should have been a great title celebration, was tainted by the behavior of one man. Michelin however do need to shore up their front tires. I do not want to see these problems continuing into 2017.

You're one velvet-tongued mofo today. Nice one!
 
Completely agree, which makes it even more perplexing that many of them don't. Why could that be?

Many of them do. You're only going to notice those that don't because they're the ones that draw the most attention to themselves. A lot of Rossi fans started watching the sport because of him then because they got hooked watched older GP races and maybe even other series such as WSBK and BSB. Some of them even started participating in local club racing series because of Rossi.
 
Many of them do. You're only going to notice those that don't because they're the ones that draw the most attention to themselves. A lot of Rossi fans started watching the sport because of him then because they got hooked watched older GP races and maybe even other series such as WSBK and BSB. Some of them even started participating in local club racing series because of Rossi.

Absolutely agree - Rossi's global effect on the sport is immeasurable, although I would vehemently disagree with your suggestion that 'many of them do'. From my observations - en masse, they generally don't. If they did, perhaps they wouldn't be so inclined to disrespect riders on the rostrum or celebrate when they crash. Also, in the UK, WSB was far bigger than GP throughout the 90s due to the Foggy Factor and it was only during the four stoke GP era that Rossi's support - although sizeable - really began to gather momentum over here after Foggy's retirement, the decline of the series into a farcical Ducati cup and the exodus to GP of the main protagonists. However in terms of singling out members of this forum which you yourself are prone to doing, over the past decade, I have seen little evidence of this. Many are fans of the Rossi sensation and refuse to contextualise this in terms of the history of the sport which is why we are subjected to this insufferable GOAT nonsense - although to be fair this does not tend to be a mantra that I you recite and I do concede that much of this narrative is perpetuated in the press. Perhaps the epitome of this was a member on here called Evolution who rarely appears - largely when Rossi wins. I suggested that he challenge his notion of the GOAT by revisiting the talent of Hailwood and his reply was something along the lines of the fact that he had no time for old men festering in retirement homes. Without wishing to generalise, but this is rather reflective of the general ignorance prevalent amongst the cult of Valentino. 2009 was frankly unbearable.

To your credit, at least you - and some other discerning fans of both Rossi and sport, post irrespective of Rossi's results.
 
Did anybody else catch these 2 questions in the post race conference?

Press: when did you come to terms with the Michelin front?
Marc: In Montmeló while following behind rossi.

Press: Now that you are the 2016 champion, will we see the Marc of old in the next 3 races?
Marc: Smiles..... It could happen!
 
Did anybody else catch these 2 questions in the post race conference?

Press: when did you come to terms with the Michelin front?
Marc: In Montmeló while following behind rossi.

Press: Now that you are the 2016 champion, will we see the Marc of old in the next 3 races?
Marc: Smiles..... It could happen!
In Michelin's quest to perfect a front tire to suit Rossi, they've made a tire that has too narrow of a performance band. Lorenzo was eliminated this way from the season, but it's also caught Rossi out in a bit of universal Karma. Rossi's crashes have been contending for the win. Marc was able to make the Rossi spec tire work, mainly through patience prudence and a new approach to the season, also in part due to his riding style and part due to the RCV characteristics. The only consolidation prize for the Yellow Whordes, such is their logic, is the measure of satisfaction that has stayed their own suicide watch when Lorenzo crashed out of Motegi. Otherwise Rossi crashing out may have been too painful to bare. Personally, I was hoping Marc would win the title at Sepang, as a universal poetic payback. However, given his second answer, we may just see some payback issued.

If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.
 
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I think Marc's masterful win in Schasenring (sp?) was his pivotal moment in the season, and never looked back. I think after winning in that manner, that sent a subliminal message to all other riders the they just can't beat this guy. I don't know. Ha ha. But that kind of performance on a sub-par motorcycle is simply incredible. That, coupled with his new realization that not all races need to be won, should make him unstoppable. I'm also very glad he has balls much bigger than his stature, so he won't succumb to external pressures like Stoner did, cutting his brilliant career short. He even wasn't intimidated by Rossi when he started playing dirty earlier last season. He took him to task, and pushed him to show to the world what kind of ahole he really is. Not only for what he did, but lying about it afterwards (a la Lochte). That's not a 'mistake', especially when done by old dudes. It's a lack of character. I lost all respect for both of those guys when that happened.

Finally, I really like Marc. He speaks from the heart, and tell it like it is, good or bad for him. No ......... And also glad he said he's happy to be able to ride the 'Marc Marquez way' for the last 3 races. That'll be interesting:D.
 
Marquez has ridden brilliantly pretty much all year. Very deserving champ.

How long ago was it commentators were banging on about michelins providing great racing. Bottom line they haven't, championship over with three races left, not what Dorna ordered. Let's hope Michelin get their act together next yr otherwise it will be .....

The other highlight has got to be Rossis meltdown. He hit the panic button again when Marquez went past Lorenzo. Ambition outweighed talent once again when will he ever learn.

Lorenzo was thinking about dovi ducati when he lost it. Mmmm "if I was on that bike what could I do" ....'oh ...., I'm in the gravel" nevermind those michelins fronts are made for the other side of the yam garage.
 
After preseason testing , there were early predictions that Lorenzo will get another championship and Honda would be struggling in 2016. Today, MM just won the championship with 3 races to go. well at least Rossi will not have a reason to start another conspiracy this year.
 
I always love the Japanese Grand Prix whether it is GP or F1. Japan has been home to so many memorable moments over the years. In particular, what I've found with the October races at Motegi and Suzuka, is that when the sun shines, it adds a particular surreal dream-like quality to the race that creates an atmosphere unlike any other. Many world champions have been crowned in Japan. When Damon Hill won at Suzuka in 1996, the memory is of Damon climbing out of the Williams-Renault bathed in that sleepy afternoon sun, turning the moment into a living daydream.

Today was the same thing with Marc Marquez. The statistical odds said the title was not going to be decided till Phillip Island at the earliest. Yet, the universe seemed to take a deep breath, and decide to roll her dice as she is wont to do. Valentino Rossi found himself on the ragged edge for a moment, before turn 10 claimed another victim this weekend. Some would call it karmic payback for the hell he wrought upon his fellow competitors over the last 17 premier class seasons. It would be hard to argue this point as the finality of seeing him pinned underneath his Yamaha M1, was the perfect metaphor of the sport's Atlas finally unable to bear the burden of holding the world up...and it finally came crashing down on him. A victim of the pressure that saw him unable to convert what was thought to be an unassailable lead at Valencia 10 years gone. The victim of the pressure that a 21 year old Australian brought to bear the following season. The victim of the pressure that saw him sure he could win on the Desmosedici. And the victim of the pressure that a world title slipping away down the stretch in 2015 brought to bear. Not lost in the moment was Nick Harris' voice taking on an inflection that had me staring at the speakers on the television wondering if such a somber tone would even be conveyed if the Queen had passed away. The utter despair, no doubt reflecting the feelings of millions of yellow-clad, Valentino Rossi fans was surreal.

Marc Marquez became a 5-times world champion nearly a year younger in age than Valentino Rossi who bagged his 5th title in 2003 on the RC211V. Unlike those days, MM is doing it against some of the fiercest competition we have seen on the grid in nearly 23 years. And he did it on a machine that was not up to the standard we've come to expect from HRC. While many will say the bike was better than advertised, I will never hold that opinion. Excluding the two wet weather satellite victories, only Dani Pedrosa won a race besides MM, and it took the right tire selection to do this at Misano. It was a GP07-esque machine that will be claimed to have been great by those who don't know better. But those who know better, will say it was the most improbable world championship since 2007 based on the finicky nature of the machine and it's electronics. The rumored big bang engine that the RCV will have for 2017 is going to give MM the tool he needs to utterly demolish the field.

I am now willing to say MM with his win today and the clinching of the 2016 title, is truly an alien rider. His performance today was outstanding. This was MM when he is at his best; knows when and where to take risks and forces those behind him to make errors trying to keep up. As long as he stays healthy, how the 2010's are closed out, is going to be fascinating. He stands to have a high probability of tying VR's record in 2020, and breaking it in 2021.

This was a great day for motorcycle racing fans, and a worthy follow-up to last season where what should have been a great title celebration, was tainted by the behavior of one man. Michelin however do need to shore up their front tires. I do not want to see these problems continuing into 2017.
Are you kidding, mm only just an alien rider? This kid is the mother of all aliens since he arrived in MotoGP 2013.

No one has achieved what he has at his age. The guy is a motorbike magician
 
You're essentially claiming no one can be a racing fan unless they're old. You're incorrect.

A Rossi fan can also be a fan of racing and Rossi himself loves the sport and has thoroughly studied those that came before him.

You want to organize every Rossi fan into a neat group of individuals that care only about what Rossi does. Sorry, but every fan that supports him doesn't fit into that group. You simply only pay attention to the ones that follow Rossi instead of the sport.

Even people on this forum that claim to hate Rossi, can't picture the sport without him because he's the only rider that can be used to produce threads 50+ pages long. No matter what happens during the remainder of the season, the entire off-season on this forum will be full of Rossi-talk and it wont be from Rossi fans... it'll be fueled by the usual suspects here that claim they don't like him.

Certainly one can only be a pre-Rossi fan of GP bike racing by being somewhat old. However having been an avid fan before his advent rather precludes Rossi-hating as the only motive for following the sport.

I actually don't think a 23 year old MM beating a 37 year old Rossi makes him better than a 23 year old Rossi, btw, and no-one doubts the likes of you and Dani are fans of his riding, or that he has given you every reason to be so.
 
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In Michelin's quest to perfect a front tire to suit Rossi, they've made a tire that has too narrow of a performance band. Lorenzo was eliminated this way from the season, but it's also caught Rossi out in a bit of universal Karma. Rossi's crashes have been contending for the win. Marc was able to make the Rossi spec tire work, mainly through patience prudence and a new approach to the season, also in part due to his riding style and part due to the RCV characteristics. The only consolidation prize for the Yellow Whordes, such is their logic, is the measure of satisfaction that has stayed their own suicide watch when Lorenzo crashed out of Motegi. Otherwise Rossi crashing out may have been too painful to bare. Personally, I was hoping Marc would win the title at Sepang, as a universal poetic payback. However, given his second answer, we may just see some payback issued.

If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.

This forum is the only place i have ever heard about the Michellin - Rossi tyre conspiracy. Interesting topic, I'm just curious about the source of it and how it came about?
 
This forum is the only place i have ever heard about the Michellin - Rossi tyre conspiracy. Interesting topic, I'm just curious about the source of it and how it came about?

I don't know if you had them down there when you were kids but we used to have this thing called a snipe hunt. (Google it) Conspiracies revolving around Rossi are like that - except that the persons who started out playing the conspiracy game for the sake of good fun with small kids - got to where they took the game more seriously than the children. Over the years the "snipe" has evolved into something of a bogey man for adults. Saturday Night Specials were at one time a real thing; and since they were banned the producers of the Grand Conspiracy have milked it like the Nightmare On Elm Street series. But since you asked, I can only say, watch out for flying tinfoil.:eek:
 

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