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Dont disagree with the tyres, even if Michelin had an intent to favour Rossi's style they are in no position technically to be able to deliver on it.


Totally not suggesting that it is done but Michelin or any tyre manufacturer could if they wished make a tyre specifically for and to benefit Rossi (in this example) but they cannot control if others are then able to use that tyre to their own benefit and to Rossi's detriment.

Saturday night specials are a thing of years past (shame as I have always been a fan of open tyre supply where any tyre is available to any rider contracted to the same brand) and as such now you simply cannot know who will openly benefit or be negatively affected (sure you could get an idea from data but it is still a general guess)
 
Totally not suggesting that it is done but Michelin or any tyre manufacturer could if they wished make a tyre specifically for and to benefit Rossi (in this example) but they cannot control if others are then able to use that tyre to their own benefit and to Rossi's detriment.

Saturday night specials are a thing of years past (shame as I have always been a fan of open tyre supply where any tyre is available to any rider contracted to the same brand) and as such now you simply cannot know who will openly benefit or be negatively affected (sure you could get an idea from data but it is still a general guess)

I think any tyre conspiracy now could only operate by taking away a tyre, for the reasons you give, since it is harder to predict for whom tyres will work ahead of time. I personally think where the SNS tyres were concerned Rossi just happened to be there when they came to an end, and his situation with them was no different to say Doohan's previously.
 
I think any tyre conspiracy now could only operate by taking away a tyre, for the reasons you give, since it is harder to predict for whom tyres will work ahead of time. I personally think where the SNS tyres were concerned Rossi just happened to be there when they came to an end, and his situation with them was no different to say Doohan's previously.

Que?
MD had the B tyres until he "proved" himself and got the A Michelins.
Though as far as I can tell, who got what was an HRC matter back then?
 
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MD had the B tyres until he "proved" himself and got the A Michelins.
Though as far as I can tell, who got what was an HRC matter back then?

I am aware that he got B tyres initially, but he got the good stuff for his title run. An inequitable system, but not one designed for Rossi. I do recall murmurings that Rossi was unhappy towards the end of the SNS era that the tyres were favouring HRC then.
 
I am aware that he got B tyres initially, but he got the good stuff for his title run. An inequitable system, but not one designed for Rossi. I do recall murmurings that Rossi was unhappy towards the end of the SNS era that the tyres were favouring HRC then.

In Doohans time Michelin standard practice would be to turn up with truckloads of tires of all descriptions and it was a long weekend of work trying to find the right one for the race. And in 1991 he complained bitterly the front tire was crap, after Michelin scaled down support. I have it on video at one race he has a massive front loose trying to chase down Rainey, would have made Marquez proud. So actually it seams not much has changed with Michelin all these years later.

Its pretty obvious when this practice started to change. Doohan to my recollection wouldn't find a miracle solution in Sunday morning warm-up. But another rider famously would.

In the end it wasn't just beneficial to Rossi, SNS was probably saving Michelin money by not having to truck so many tires around every week. They worked in such a narrow range it was a necessity up until SNS.

But once they came up with the system, whoevers idea it originally was, its obvious Rossi wasted no time making it work for him. Ands SNS could only really be made in quantities to suit one particular rider/style, not the full range of riders needs. Which is why it was banned I assume, privateer teams complained bitterly of it.
 
In Doohans time Michelin standard practice would be to turn up with truckloads of tires of all descriptions and it was a long weekend of work trying to find the right one for the race. And in 1991 he complained bitterly the front tire was crap, after Michelin scaled down support. I have it on video at one race he has a massive front loose trying to chase down Rainey, would have made Marquez proud. So actually it seams not much has changed with Michelin all these years later.

Its pretty obvious when this practice started to change. Doohan to my recollection wouldn't find a miracle solution in Sunday morning warm-up. But another rider famously would.

In the end it wasn't just beneficial to Rossi, SNS was probably saving Michelin money by not having to truck so many tires around every week. They worked in such a narrow range it was a necessity up until SNS.

But once they came up with the system, whoevers idea it originally was, its obvious Rossi wasted no time making it work for him. Ands SNS could only really be made in quantities to suit one particular rider/style, not the full range of riders needs. Which is why it was banned I assume, privateer teams complained bitterly of it.
Sure, I don't actually know when the SNS practice per se started, but Michelin certainly ran a tiered supply system long before Rossi. With Doohan as you doubtless recall other riders tended to find something on race day, Honda having given his settings to them, which did not best please Mick. I don't recall Biaggi complaining about Rossi having better tyres though, concerning which you would think Max at least would not have have had much restraint in doing.

Cost was said to be the reason for the abolition of the SNS tyres, but your argument makes sense to me. I think costs to Dorna probably had something to do with the control tyre actually, as I think they had to subsidise the cost of the tyres to the satellite teams previously.
 
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According to this JLo doesn't have an airbag system.
On Jorge Lorenzo’s rejection of using airbag

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During the press conference with the front row starters at the Japanese GP held a couple of weeks ago, Jorge Lorenzo was asked if the airbag in his suit had helped protect him during his frightening crash in which he suffered no other consequences than the force of the crash itself. His answer was: “Yes, it worked well”… However, Jorge was not being entirely sincere.

Saturday morning FP3 at Motegi, shortly after 10.30. Jorge Lorenzo is out on track for his third outing of the session. After Pedrosa’s chilling crash the day before, Michelin had warned the riders that in the morning session they should take extra time to warm up their tires despite the shining sun as the track was still cold at that time of day. And at this stage we all know that the Michelin front tire needs time to reach optimum operating temperature.

Jorge Lorenzo’s decision not to use an airbag in his suit makes each crash a gamble.
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Despite the warnings, for whatever reason Lorenzo did not follow the advice from the French technicians. On his first flying lap, just past the finish line, at Turn # 2, he was dramatically tossed from his bike. It was one of those high sides that used to be quite common but fortunately are now, thanks to electronics, increasingly rare. The bike’s violent whip threw Jorge in the air and he hit the ground face up. The impact was hard. His back, head and ankles absorbed the inertia and Lorenzo bounced off the ground like a ball. “Fortunately” he fell completely flat.

Fortunately too the first impression that Jorge had been hurt was not confirmed. Rushed to the Dokkyo hospital of Utsonomiya, the ankle thought to be fractured was not. The incident left him bruised but not broken, so Lorenzo returned to the circuit and in a demonstration of bravery in the qualifying he ended up on the second row of the grid. Luck had been on the side of the Mallorcan rider once again.

For Lorenzo the 500 gram weight of the airbag system and the the discomfort of wearing it outweighs the safety benefits.
The fact is that Jorge Lorenzo’s decision not to use an airbag in his suit makes each crash a gamble. For the few who know he doesn’t use one -on his own team there are those who don’t know- every time he falls is breathtaking moment.

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Like it was, for example, last season at Misano. There, in the middle of a full title fight, Jorge hit the ground in the race in a tremendous tumble. Without the airbag, at least a fractured collarbone would have been expected, and would have been more than likely that the title would not have landed in his hands… At Motegi two weekends ago, his luck was even greater.

Lorenzo, those around him or who deal with him, should reflect on his decision not to use a security system of unquestioned effectiveness at this point. They need look no further than to Dani Pedrosa who walked away from a chilling crash at the same place with “only” with a broken collarbone thanks to the airbag in his Alpinestars suit. We’ll say it again, Jorge quite simply had luck on his side on Saturday in Motegi.

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If you’ve read this far you’re probably wondering why Lorenzo rejects using a protection system that seemingly can only benefit him. It is because Jorge believes that the cons outweigh the pros. The 500 gram weight of the airbag assembly / discharging system and the the discomfort of wearing it outweighs the safety benefits.

It’s a perfectly respectable decision, especially considering that we are talking about his own personal safety. There is no one better than Jorge himself who knows what’s best for him…Although the fact that he did not reveal the whole truth about the situation when asked at the Motegi press conference perhaps suggests that he is not so sure.
 

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