Motul Grand Prix of Japan 2016 spoilers

Dr No · Oct 16, 2016

moto vudu said:
Even after MM wins the title, instead of talking about that... some of you would rather imagine wild scenarios about what Rossi will do for the remaining races. Apparently, MM winning doesn't provide enough entertainment, you need Rossi to keep this forum going.

What's to talk about? MM had a stellar race. The two Yamahas crashed out in his pursuit. It was quite dull.
The slow mo of the rear tyres hovering an inch above the asphalt under ridiculously heavy braking was the highlight for me.

AJV80 · Oct 16, 2016

Congrats to Marc he deserved the title. The race was boring as .... though. Rossi did a move on Jorge, Miller crashed, Rossi crashed, Jorge crashed and Vinales did a move on Asparagus. I think there was another crash in there somewhere ... dull either way.

Odd that both the Yamaha's crashed out from front end falls. I put Rossi's down to him pushing hard to reel in Marc, but i didn't see Jorge coming at all. He didn't really seem to be pushing it harder than he was on previous laps. Could be a case of the Michellin fronts not really suiting the Yamaha's geometry and weight distribution, both seemed like soft falls.

michaelm · Oct 16, 2016

moto vudu said:
You mean Rossi's wild scenarios at the end of LAST year overshadow MM winning the championship TODAY? Lol, everything that happens in this sport really does revolve around Rossi. You need him or you'd have nothing to talk about.

Your rider who alleged and became involved in bizarre scenarios in the last 3 races of last season, his and your problem I am afraid.

I made multiple posts crediting MM myself. Seeing Yamaha made a choice as far as riders which eventually involved dispensing with the services of the rider who won the last 3 of their titles for them including last season's and a Honda rider has just won this year's title, some discussion of that choice would not seem entirely unwarranted anyway.

The championship being decided, the only remaining interest championship wise for the last 3 races is who will finish second in any case. I don't particularly care myself, and don't think VR or JL are riders who ride for second either.

moto vudu · Oct 16, 2016

michaelm said:
Your rider who alleged and became involved in bizarre scenarios in the last 3 races of last season, his and your problem I am afraid. I made multiple posts crediting MM myself.

Seeing the championship is decided, the only interest championship wise remaining for the last 3 races is who will finish second in any case. I don't particularly care myself, and don't think VR or JL are riders who ride for second either.

How is Rossi being involved in bizarre scenarios last year my problem? My #1 rider is actually Tito Rabat. Rabat has been sandbagging all season and will show his true potential next year.

Gaz · Oct 16, 2016

moto vudu said:
How is Rossi being involved in bizarre scenarios last year my problem? My #1 rider is actually Tito Rabat. Rabat has been sandbagging all season and will show his true potential next year.

So you ARE Harry then

danski · Oct 16, 2016

michaelm said:
Your rider who alleged and became involved in bizarre scenarios in the last 3 races of last season, his and your problem I am afraid. I made multiple posts crediting MM myself. Seeing Yamaha made a choice as far as riders which eventually involved dispensing with the services of the rider who won the last 3 of their titles for them including last season's and a Honda rider has just won this yeer's title, some discussion of that choice would not seem entirely unwarranted anyway.

The championship being decided, the only remaining interest championship wise for the last 3 races is who will finish second in any case. I don't particularly care myself, and don't think VR or JL are riders who ride for second either.

Rossi and Lorenzo will fight hard for second place, it's a matter of pride for them.
Anyway congrats to Marquez, he won it in Hondas' home and by racing hard for the win and not playing safe for points.

p4p1 · Oct 16, 2016

AJV80 said:
Congrats to Marc he deserved the title. The race was boring as .... though. Rossi did a move on Jorge, Miller crashed, Rossi crashed, Jorge crashed and Vinales did a move on Asparagus. I think there was another crash in there somewhere ... dull either way.

Odd that both the Yamaha's crashed out from front end falls. I put Rossi's down to him pushing hard to reel in Marc, but i didn't see Jorge coming at all. He didn't really seem to be pushing it harder than he was on previous laps. Could be a case of the Michellin fronts not really suiting the Yamaha's geometry and weight distribution, both seemed like soft falls.

The way Marquez rode around the outside of Rossi was pretty entertaining. Agree about Rossi, he had to push though because if Marc got another 5 points on him going into 2-3 tracks(depending on your personal opinion) remaining that Marquez is quicker than him at meant if Marquez took 5 points off him today the title was over.

In regards to Lorenzo we don't know how much pain he was in and that most likely played a factor. It's easy to make a mistake when you're drained because of pain. I was hoping Lorenzo stayed on for second place.

moto vudu · Oct 16, 2016

AJV80 · Oct 16, 2016

p4p1 said:
The way Marquez rode around the outside of Rossi was pretty entertaining. Agree about Rossi, he had to push though because if Marc got another 5 points on him going into 2-3 tracks(depending on your personal opinion) remaining that Marquez is quicker than him at meant if Marquez took 5 points off him today the title was over.

In regards to Lorenzo we don't know how much pain he was in and that most likely played a factor. It's easy to make a mistake when you're drained because of pain. I was hoping Lorenzo stayed on for second place.

I was hoping he would to, after Rossi crashed Lorenzo in 2nd would have pushed the championship decider to a future round.

Finish line · Oct 16, 2016

Marquez at press conference:

''I was very quiet in the begining and Valentino passed me 3 or 4 times, he brakes late and he goes wide and again and again...and then I say yeah, I don't want this battle, I have to go.''

- and he did. Sounds so easy.

Question came from the floor: When did you know you were WC?

MM: when I saw Lorenzo out I realised, I lost the concentration. I was riding, I did oe corner in a 3rd gear, when usually was 1st gear, one corner in 5th where normally was 4th. And that lap...you can see on the lap times...I was more than a second slower.

Also he said he never felt this kind of pressure before. And thanks to his team for being there for him and helping him realising the pressure and keeping the smile there and enjoying racing

The Champion press is actually very interesting. MM is great to talk to. He also said he had no idea shirts were ready

michaelm · Oct 16, 2016

Daniboy said:
Rossi and Lorenzo will fight hard for second place, it's a matter of pride for them.
Anyway congrats to Marquez, he won it in Hondas' home and by racing hard for the win and not playing safe for points.

Unfortunately for both I think second is their best result in future as well, which would actually be an overachievement for Jorge on a Ducati.

AJV80 · Oct 16, 2016

Finish line said:
Marquez at press conference:

- and he did. Sounds so easy.

Question came from the floor: When did you know you were WC?

Also he said he never felt this kind of pressure before. And thanks to his team for being there for him and helping him realising the pressure and keeping the smile there and enjoying racing

The Champion press is actually very interesting. MM is great to talk to. He also said he had no idea shirts were ready

I found it interesting how he described the first half of the season being about the team helping him to keep calm and not panic and immediately put it all on the line to win every race but rather just to finish safely in the points and how nervous he got when he was overtaken in points. I heard him talk about that in interviews earlier in the year.

Then how he asked for teams help in the second half of the season to get the electronics issues sorted so that he could be more competitive on the bike. He rode with his head this season and it paid off, good on him. He has a huge future in the sport and wouldn't at all be surprised if he surpasses Rossi's acheivements.

Gaz · Oct 16, 2016

Marquez crosses the line and celebrates - https://streamable.com/bvsm

OwnRules · Oct 16, 2016

It's Marc's world. The rest of the riders are just renting space in it.

p4p1 · Oct 16, 2016

It truely was a great season for Marquez, he has been smart enough to have the right people around him and he was smart enough to listen. I found it interesting for the first time he admitted that Rossi and the vale bans treatment of him at the end of last year and the beginning of this year had effected him but he decided to use it as motivation. The knock on effect/irony from this could be extra motivation not just to win this year but destroy as many of Rossis records thus his legacy as he continues his career. He will likely be the first and only rider to pole 100 times, if he can put a run of title together which with unproven/unknown competition coming through now Lorenzo, Rossi and Pedrosa getting on(plus HRC behind him) is a real possibility, he could do what Rossi failed to do and get number 10 all before he is 30.

ReddiWhip · Oct 16, 2016

Congrats to MM. He had a fairly mistake-free season and was consistently fast at ever circuit. Winning formula right there

Next year should be equally entertaining.

michaelm · Oct 16, 2016

p4p1 said:
It truely was a great season for Marquez, he has been smart enough to have the right people around him and he was smart enough to listen. I found it interesting for the first time he admitted that Rossi and the vale bans treatment of him at the end of last year and the beginning of this year had effected him but he decided to use it as motivation. The knock on effect/irony from this could be extra motivation not just to win this year but destroy as many of Rossis records thus his legacy as he continues his career. He will likely be the first and only rider to pole 100 times, if he can put a run of title together which with unproven/unknown competition coming through now Lorenzo, Rossi and Pedrosa getting on(plus HRC behind him) is a real possibility, he could do what Rossi failed to do and get number 10 all before he is 30.

Didn't see the post race interviews, but I find it interesting MM mentioned the Rossi fatwa and the response to it from the Valeban.

I am now convinced VR's frequently repeated view concerning PI 2015 is his genuine (if not particularly rational) belief. Sounds like MM's belief in his own view of events is just as adamant, since if Valentino's claims were correct they presumably wouldn't motivate MM overly. Whatever, the result is a fearsome race and title winning weapon. Rossi never succeeded in breaking Stoner or Lorenzo by anything on track, but Stoner certainly was vulnerable to off-track stuff and Lorenzo has appeared so this year.

MM now doesn't appear vulnerable to anything external.

Dr No · Oct 16, 2016

michaelm said:
Didn't see the post race interviews, but I find it interesting MM mentioned the Rossi fatwa and the response to it from the Valeban.

I am now convinced VR's frequently repeated view concerning PI 2015 is his genuine (if not particularly rational) belief. Sounds like MM's belief in his own view of events is just as adamant, since if Valentino's claims were correct they presumably wouldn't motivate MM overly. Whatever, the result is a fearsome race and title winning weapon. Rossi never succeeded in breaking Stoner or Lorenzo by anything on track, but Stoner certainly was vulnerable to off-track stuff and Lorenzo has appeared so this year.

MM now doesn't appear vulnerable to anything external.

Gadus Morhua.

michaelm · Oct 16, 2016

Dr No said:
Gadus Morhua.

My objection is to talk of Stoner's "demons" and psychoanalysis of him or other riders in general, or other posters for that matter.

I do recognise not everyone has a similar personality however. As the estimable Birdman said, Stoner clearly didn't like the off track stuff, being vilified for winning etc, he left the sport, and Lorenzo didn't like his situation at Yamaha, he left Yamaha. I have a perhaps naive belief that the vilification for winning was the issue rather the response to it. My observation was that MM takes even being vilified with eventual equanimity and even cheerfulness.

Finish line · Oct 16, 2016

As we'we heared, Dani's surgery was successful.

In addition to the collarbone injury they also found a fibula fracture. It had to be immobilised, will not need surgery.

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