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MotoGP: 2024 Round 2 Grande Prémio Tissot de Portugal

Who has Marquez taken out while in the premier class?
I know there is Rossi at Argentina, Pedrosa at Aragon (though the contact didn't cause the crash), Oliveria last year. I am not sure who else. I am talking about guys who crashed because of contact not just contact being made.
I know he has been taken out by Aleix at Australia, Pecco this race, Rossi in Sepeng, Rossi in Argentina any others?
Zarco took him out in PI 2017
Noooo, not my little haterinos .
However will they survive?!
This is what I saw. For Pecco to become world champion for a 3rd time he needs to focus on maximising his points
Exactly. People keep saying how impressive he is and how he's a double world champ, but most of the time he doesn't ride like one imo. He threw the sprint win away, and didn't maximise his points in the GP
There is a reason Alain Prost was called the Professor in F1.
I believe he is, and receiving updates. Case in fact, he got the new extra winged seat unit this weekend before Miller.
Ouch, if that doesn't say 'you're out next yr' then what does?

Vinales also confirmed gearbox issues. Looks like he was having problems going from 5th-6th for a while before, then that last lat it selected neutral, then 2nd gear engaged off throttle, spitting him off.

Vinales explains Portugal MotoGP race-ending gearbox issue
 
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The undercut does not work midcorner. Its a pass that Pecco attempts often. But it takes a few different variables to work. One is doing it late into the corner so you are hitting a late apex allowing maximum drive down the next straight. Which is why the move works so well on the ducati. Two the next corner needs to be the same direction as the corner the undercut was done in. Otherwise you are just dragging down a straight on the outside getting past again. It works best in short corners or corners less than 180 degrees. Had pecco not attempted to pass after squaring up, he could have attempted to take the inside next corner making a pass. But attempting an undercut midcorner is a recipe for disaster. The rider who makes the original pass has no obligation to go wide to allow room for a rider to undercut them. The rider making the undercut is 100% obligated to make sure he has the space to perform such a move. With a long 180 there is no way a rider can be certain there is room. Besides that even making the move work in such a long corner is giving up drive out of that corner allowing the ride who made the first pass to have much more drive. This just hinders the race for both riders.
 
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Exactly. People keep saying how impressive he is and how he's a double world champ, but most of the time he doesn't ride like one imo. He threw the sprint win away, and didn't maximise his points in the GP
I'm having a hard time considering Frantisek one of the absolute best riders in motorcycle racing right now. I don't quite see him on the same level as Marc, Fabio and Toprak. He took over when technology took over the premier class which makes him hard to judge.
There is a reason Alain Prost was called the Professor in F1.
Senna got robbed in '89 btw.
 
The undercut does not work midcorner. Its a pass that Pecco attempts often. But it takes a few different variables to work. One is doing it late into the corner so you are hitting a late apex allowing maximum drive down the next straight. Which is why the move works so well on the ducati. Two the next corner needs to be the same direction as the corner the undercut was done in. Otherwise you are just dragging down a straight on the outside getting past again. It works best in short corners or corners less than 180 degrees. Had pecco not attempted to pass after squaring up, he could have attempted to take the inside next corner making a pass. But attempting an undercut midcorner is a recipe for disaster. The rider who makes the original pass has no obligation to go wide to allow room for a rider to undercut them. The rider making the undercut is 100% obligated to make sure he has the space to perform such a move. With a long 180 there is no way a rider can be certain there is room. Besides that even making the move work in such a long corner is giving up drive out of that corner allowing the ride who made the first pass to have much more drive. This just hinders the race for both riders.
I don’t think even many pundits disagree with you, I haven’t seen anyone really blaming MM, even on sites like Crashnet.

Yet further proof not that any was needed that Nick Harris has no idea what he is talking about, and while some rate Simon Crafar as a commentator I am not among them. Really enjoyed him winning that 500 gp race though, which was one for the ages.
 
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I'm having a hard time considering Frantisek one of the absolute best riders in motorcycle racing right now. I don't quite see him on the same level as Marc, Fabio and Toprak. He took over when technology took over the premier class which makes him hard to judge.
Yep, I have long said that this yr would be the test if Bastiannini, Martin and Marquez are all competitive. He has been protected too long, though the strength of his opponents, be it riders or manufacturers, if of course not his fault.
Senna got robbed in '89 btw.
I think no-one could disagree with that. Got his revenge in 1990 though.

I don’t think even many pundits disagree with you, I haven’t seen anyone really blaming MM, even on sites like Crashnet.
Go to motorsport.com...oof.
Yet further proof not that any was needed that Nick Harris has no idea what he is talking about, and while some rate Simon Crafar as a commentator I am not among them. Really enjoyed him winning that 500 gp race though, which was one for the ages.
I agree that Crafar is uncomfortable in front of the camera, but he has improved and I love his technical insights.
 
I agree that Crafar is uncomfortable in front of the camera, but he has improved and I love his technical insights.
I can’t stand his voice, but that is obviously an unfair criticism.

He wasn’t very accurate in regard to this incident though, basically along with Nick Harris that Mzm had overcooked things and run wide then cut back in to block Bagnaia. I go with MDub’s exposition of the events, which was my initial reaction watching live as well.
 
I can’t stand his voice, but that is obviously an unfair criticism.

He wasn’t very accurate in regard to this incident though, basically along with Nick Harris that Mzm had overcooked things and run wide then cut back in to block Bagnaia. I go with MDub’s exposition of the events, which was my initial reaction watching live as well.
I watch the coverage with Sylvain Guintoli who believed pecco was at fault.

 
I initially, from the first camera angle, thought Marc may have cut back in too tight, but watching it again, I could see that was not the case.

Pol Espargaro blamed Pecco also.
 
I watch the coverage with Sylvain Guintoli who believed pecco was at fault.
Echo chamber? I kid. 😆
It was a racing incident and I am glad RD viewed it this way. I know it's what these guys do but in my limited cranial capacity, it seems a lot to ask any racer....much less a champion....to consider this and that and do the math on potential points gained vs points to be lost, all in the blink of an eye, when a competitor and living legend has just stuffed it up the inside of you. Pecco saw an opening and went for it. He had the most to lose and he lost it. On to COTA.

As for Mav and his gearbox, on one hand I feel a little heartbroken for him but on the other hand I kind of feel like it couldn't have happened to a more deserving .....

#FreeFabio
 
Portimao wasn't the most entertaining race, but the goings-on were critical for several teams and riders.

The Pecco/Marc clash was the biggest deal as both riders confirmed Ducati's worst fears. Bagnaia had a little chuckle about handing Martin free points in the sprint, but his team probably felt like he put their heads in a vice for Sunday's race. The pressure Baganaia put on himself and the team may have caused him to make a high risk move to take points from Marc. It didn't work out, and he erased a points haul for the factory squad and Gresini. Pecco is 32 points out of the lead after 2 rounds!

Marc also did himself no favors by confirming all of Ducati's reasons for keeping him out of their organization. Ducati is an organization built upon discretion (to put it nicely), and Marc is one of the riders who will not toe the company line. He will absolutely make a lunge at the last minute, and while this pass was relatively well executed, and he was not at-fault for the incident, imo, he was involved in a clash with the factory-riding frontrunner. That's the last place Marc wants to be is involved in a clash with a much younger world champion in the same organization.

Mav's DNF was a catastrophe. He might exhibit ebullient optimism because he showed competitive pace, but 20 points is 10% of his points haul last year. One-tenth of last year's total disappeared in an instant when the Aprilia's gearbox seized. Aleix is off to another slow start so Mav's DNF punished Aprilia quite harshly as well. Instead of gaining 7 constructor's points against KTM, they lost 8 points to KTM. Ouch. Aprilia's team standing also took a blow.

Acosta's podium was impressive, even if he needed last minute help from Vinales, but unfortunately Pedro's incredible talent is causing the motogp commentary to degrade. I'm not one to complain about commentary, but listening to grown men giggle and high-five each other is borderline grotesque. Keep it professional.
 
Acosta's podium was impressive, even if he needed last minute help from Vinales, but unfortunately Pedro's incredible talent is causing the motogp commentary to degrade. I'm not one to complain about commentary, but listening to grown men giggle and high-five each other is borderline grotesque. Keep it professional.

When I first started following MotoGP, it was Nick Harris dropping to his knees for VR46. Now it's Birt and the boys dropping for Pedro.....................and Fermín.
 
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After looking at it another 50 times... The corner is a sort of double apex, Marc makes the pass in the first part of the corner goes a little wide on the first apex, but slows up enough to be on the racing line for the 2nd apex. Bagnaia knowing hes about to get passed, checks up on the first apex and tries to undercut Marc on the 2nd apex.... But again, Bagnaia didnt need to do that, Marc wasnt going to get away from him, and his GP24 was faster in sector 4 and would have easily passed Marc down the front stretch.
 
Have read all the comments about the coming together and i don’t think either of them was thinking strategy in that incident. It was pure .... out, balls to the wall racing and that’s why we watch it! Pecco wasn’t expecting the pass and probably thought you cheeky ....... Marc, then when MM ran a little wide and he managed to brake harder and turn in so the undercut looked possible when he saw the gap he just thought you’re fookin gettin it Marquez so just went for it! They were both high from drinking Alpha male cool aid! Were we not entertained?
Bloody right we were so onwards to Cota boys!
 
Have read all the comments about the coming together and i don’t think either of them was thinking strategy in that incident. It was pure .... out, balls to the wall racing and that’s why we watch it! Pecco wasn’t expecting the pass and probably thought you cheeky ....... Marc, then when MM ran a little wide and he managed to brake harder and turn in so the undercut looked possible when he saw the gap he just thought you’re fookin gettin it Marquez so just went for it! They were both high from drinking Alpha male cool aid! Were we not entertained?
Bloody right we were so onwards to Cota boys!
Only Pecco's is spike with vodka
 
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