MotoGP: 2024 Round 2 Grande Prémio Tissot de Portugal
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I went back and watched the TNT coverage and though I didn't see/hear Guintoli's take, Hodgson sure put it on Pecco. It seems most of the paddock feels the same though everyone seems to agree it was a racing incident. Also, I found it refreshing to listen to Gavin Emmett and Hodgson call the race. Once or twice it almost sounded like I was listening to James Whitham. I liked him.
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Cmon man! Just trying to play devils advocate. We both know I agree with your take.
Sure, I don’t consider it was a heinous act by Bagnaia deserving of a suspension or other sanction, he thought he saw a gap and went for it as has been said. It was however an error of judgement imo both to attempt a risky pass for a placing he had little or no prospect of holding for the remainder of the race when his major rival was in the process of scoring 25 points, and to think the pass was in any way on in the first place.
On this forum with an admittedly fairly strong pro-MM bias the point most MM fans are making is that whatever his form for making hard passes and perhaps being the aggressor/at fault rider in a number of previous incidents over the years may be, the pass MM made on this occasion was both feasible and successfully completed, while the re-pass attempted by Bagnaia was not, and the errors of judgement which led to the collision were pretty much entirely Bagnaia’s this time.
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Jorge Lorenzo’s take on Crashnet is almost exactly yours. MM expanded his take that Bagnaia’s tire was shot and he was inevitably going to lose the position one way or another.
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Jorge Lorenzo iagrees with MDub, and with me as it happens, saying that while MM is an aggressive rider in general he did nothing wrong in this particular incident, and that Bagnaia is the one who was in a position to avoid the collision and should have accepted he had been passed. Whether or not it is fair in general to make a pass which forces an opponent to stand his bike up, a rider can’t do this if he can’t see the other rider.. Again, what did Bagnaia think MM was going to do and what result was likely other than a collision from his re-pass attempt ?.
i agree that what happened was that Bagnaia saw a possible gap and went for it, a racer’s instinct indeed..
Jorge Lorenzo iagrees with MDub, and with me as it happens, saying that while MM is an aggressive rider in general he did nothing wrong in this particular incident, and that Bagnaia is the one who was in a position to avoid the collision and should have accepted he had been passed. Whether or not it is fair in general to make a pass which forces an opponent to stand his bike up, a rider can’t do this if he can’t see the other rider.. Again, what did Bagnaia think MM was going to do and what result was likely other than a collision from his re-pass attempt ?.
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I'm joking bro. But Barry taught me how to back it in so I am pretty sure I can beat you.
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In regards to the collision it would be interesting to see the lines mapped out compared with the same riders on other laps if anyone has done it
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I had a similar thought. There is a guy who videos for the downhill mtb world cups who overlays video of riders so you can see the different lines, speed, and who did it fastest. I thought man that would be cool to do to motogp footage. I could do it if I had access to video. I can tell you that Binder was very wide there. But everyone was hanging wide and squaring the corner up. You can see it in the marks on track.
At this point, I suspect Marquez got orders from higher up, to keep the juices flowing, make some show, keep everybody talking, riding like you're on tracks is boring tv.
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