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Gran Premio GoPro de Aragón Aug. 29 -Sept. 1 2024

AnnoyingTwit said:
I posted the spoiler thing because someone else had said that they hadn't seen the Moto2 race yet. Though, I think that in this thread, people are going to discuss the race while live. Since I was posting out of sequence with the live discussion of the race: spoiler. But, I think it's inevitable (and reasonable) that there will be discussion of the race when live.

In my case, I deliberately only read the last part of the thread until I had seen the race. So that it was only MotoGP discussion. And, I added a spoiler when I posted in a chunk of the thread where it's less likely there will be moto2 discussion.
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Back in the day we used dedicated threads for 125/250 moto3/Moto2. Not really done anymore. The whole no spoilers is contentious always. Myself, I avoid socials, forums, work chat etc until I've watched. My personal phone is set that no apps provide me with a notifications aside from SMS and banking.
 
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I didn't support one over the other so far but I'm beginning to root for Martin

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Silly me thought the Rossi-induced toxic behavior would be over the moment he retired. But his students decided to carry on with the .... stirring. What a stain he has been for years. Hoping Marc wins the next two years for so much needed Schadenfreude.
 
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Barbedwirebikerr said:
Back in the day we used dedicated threads for 125/250 moto3/Moto2. Not really done anymore. The whole no spoilers is contentious always. Myself, I avoid socials, forums, work chat etc until I've watched. My personal phone is set that no apps provide me with a notifications aside from SMS and banking.
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What if someone hacks your phone and bank account then completes a transaction with the ID of the race winner?! ;)
 
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Sennas_Caress said:
How about....not reading the race thread :oops:
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I could care less about spoilers but this is the motogp thread and there are moto2 and 3 pages on the forum. This use to be something we did not allow for people who watch the races out of order. I was just pointing out there is a way you can hide spoilers. If you would rather tell others what to do than more power to you.

don't be a ....
 
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JPSLotus said:
That's always been my contention tbh.

I don't want to bounce around multiple threads, just one dedicated race thread is enough in this day and age. Not like the forum is that busy anymore where you have tons of people commenting.
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I agree. When we did have moto2 and 3 threads they didn't really contain much info unless there was an event worth talking about like last year at qatar for example could use its own thread. But also it would be nice to have separate threads. Maybe just one moto2 and one moto3 thread for the entire season so the info doesn't get lost in these threads.
 
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michaelm said:
There was a corollary to Godwin’s Law I believe, from Godwin himself, that it was allowable to mention Nazism in the context of genuine fascism/:authoritarian regimes if not in regard to anything trivial.

I guess all discussion of motogp bike racing on a forum such as this one is inherently trivial, but imo it is not unreasonable to mention Valentino Rossi in the context of the attitude of the most successful rider he has mentored to the Marquez brothers, particularly since Rossi extended his vendetta to include Alex years ago, no Marquez will ever ride for Yamaha etc.
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I've always been able (I think) to discern when you're being informative as opposed to when you in some sense, are counter-punching. I'm going to go with the former in this case. In the interest of brevity I will say: The corollary to Keshav's Maxim is that anytime it is sited - the folks who go on Wikipedia to make clarifications will zero in on the edit function. LOL!
 
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The Italians are clutching their pearls regarding the Marquez-Bagnaia crash, but it's no surprise they are arguing about Alex' vision.

The exact moment determines the verity of all claims. Alex says he didn't see Bagnaia. 100% true, if we're talking about the moment he ran wide. Bez says Alex definitely saw Pecco. Also 100% true, if we're talking about a few milliseconds before impact.

Where and when Alex saw Pecco is the entire issue. We can't see through Alex's eyes and he didn't make any obvious head movements. We'll never know what he did or didn't see, and since the error that started the overtake was not particularly egregious riding, race direction cannot do anything.

FWIW, I think Marquez saw Bagnaia a few dozen meters before the apex, and Alex tried to make Pecco go around the outside. But Pecco had different ideas. Alex's only defense is "I didn't see him". He's not going to claim to the stewards (and his employer) that he's entitled to a certain piece of tarmac until he's overtaken completely. They don't care. However, if Alex argues that he didn't see Pecco, the incident is refocused on Pecco and the risks he took.

Imo, the loss Pecco sustained is not Marquez's problem, though Ducati probably want to make it his problem. Unless Alex rammed Bagnaia intentionally, the focus should be on the risk Bagnaia took to complete an overtake.
 
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Keshav said:
I've always been able (I think) to discern when you're being informative as opposed to when you in some sense, are counter-punching. I'm going to go with the former in this case. In the interest of brevity I will say: The corollary to Keshav's Maxim is that anytime it is sited - the folks who go on Wikipedia to make clarifications will zero in on the edit function. LOL!
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For what it is worth I as a matter of pride or conceit don’t google to compose posts, although I will check precise facts on occasion. I have no need to look up Godwin’s law, basic knowledge for anyone who engages in debate.

I actually agree with you that people particularly me are excessively focussed on Rossi, but don’t think it is drawing much of a long bow to suggest Bagnaia’s attitude to Alex Marquez might be coloured by his mentor. To claim another rider deliberately crashed both of them out of a race is fairly outrageous imo, and a contention I doubt he would make if the incident had involved say Brad Binder.
 
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mylexicon said:
The Italians are clutching their pearls regarding the Marquez-Bagnaia crash, but it's no surprise they are arguing about Alex' vision.

The exact moment determines the verity of all claims. Alex says he didn't see Bagnaia. 100% true, if we're talking about the moment he ran wide. Bez says Alex definitely saw Pecco. Also 100% true, if we're talking about a few milliseconds before impact.

Where and when Alex saw Pecco is the entire issue. We can't see through Alex's eyes and he didn't make any obvious head movements. We'll never know what he did or didn't see, and since the error that started the overtake was not particularly egregious riding, race direction cannot do anything.

FWIW, I think Marquez saw Bagnaia a few dozen meters before the apex, and Alex tried to make Pecco go around the outside. But Pecco had different ideas. Alex's only defense is "I didn't see him". He's not going to claim to the stewards (and his employer) that he's entitled to a certain piece of tarmac until he's overtaken completely. They don't care. However, if Alex argues that he didn't see Pecco, the incident is refocused on Pecco and the risks he took.

Imo, the loss Pecco sustained is not Marquez's problem, though Ducati probably want to make it his problem. Unless Alex rammed Bagnaia intentionally, the focus should be on the risk Bagnaia took to complete an overtake.
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That is the bottom line I think, it is pretty outrageous imo to postulate that AM deliberately rammed him. As I said as well, both riders thought they had the corner, and I can see both points of view. An argument can be made both ways in regard to the pass in general, there was no need for Bagnaia to make the pass just then, but I also wonder why riders who have been caught up by several seconds contest a position which it seems inevitable they will lose. I guess that is why it is called racing though.
 
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Sennas_Caress said:
How about....not reading the race thread
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Wow, why didn't I think of that. Problem is when one reads the MotoGP race thread and gets spoilers for Moto2 and Moto3. Not all of us can sit and watch live or watch all 3 races at once. I know I am very much on my own island here but it kind of sucks not being able to read all of your comments and post about the MotoGP race because of Moto2 and Moto3 spoilers.
 
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JPSLotus said:
I don't want to bounce around multiple threads, just one dedicated race thread is enough in this day and age. Not like the forum is that busy anymore where you have tons of people commenting.
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It's a small scroll and a click. Is that really so much to ask? I mean really, are we that fvcking lazy? I might expect this from 21 y/o twats but I believe most of here are somewhat seasoned and can remember a day when a little common courtesy meant something.
 
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Well it’s the internet. There are no real rules.

For myself, if I haven’t watched the race and plan to, I won’t come on this forum until I have finished watching.

I’m not going to try and make somebody else responsible for what I see on the internet.
 
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michaelm said:
Martin is the guy who looks to be the one riding to win a title recently,
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Jörg is now 23 points ahead and frankly, that's nothing. Just when I thought he rode like a champion the last time he proceeded to crash from the lead at the Sachsenring with 2 to go.

I said before that in order to defeat Frantisek he needs to be made uncomfortable and that's precisely what happened last weekend and what forced him into an absolutely avoidable mistake.
 
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JFM01 said:
Jörg is now 23 points ahead and frankly, that's nothing. Just when I thought he rode like a champion the last time he proceeded to crash from the lead at the Sachsenring with 2 to go.
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Crashing from the lead when pressing the pace no matter how many to go. How novel. It’s racing. Some people are going to fall down. Whether they are new or experienced.

Racing is only mostly science, the rest is art.
 
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