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Gran Premio GoPro de Aragón Aug. 29 -Sept. 1 2024

Pecco does seem to make more mistakes when the stakes are high.

Taking responsibility, now that is something I'm not used to from the champs.

For the championship, this result was perfect.
I would say to the contrary in general, he has delivered in the clutch to win titles against both FQ and Martin, who were the guys who did the faltering.

If MM can ride like he did this weekend next year, as I said I could see him riding fairly circumspectly as he has previously to win titles particularly if it is a last chance which had looked unlikely for the 4 seasons preceding this one, then Pecco definitely won’t be able to afford incidents such as this one.
 
Selective memory.

Marc Marquez has never waited until the last lap. Marc has overtaken riders on the last lap on numerous occasions.

There is a subtle difference there.

All World Champions are aggressive riders.
Depends on the circumstances. MM has won 6 premier class titles, but nearly threw away his chance of further titles by trying to prove a point to FQ, having made it to second from the back of the grid with no prospect of improving his position in the race.

If it was early in the race with a chance of victory sure go for the pass at the first opportunity, but so late in this race there was no chance of Bagnaia proceeding further than 3rd, so why try a risky move on a guy he was much faster than ?. Martin is the guy who looks to be the one riding to win a title recently,
 
I would say to the contrary in general, he has delivered in the clutch to win titles against both FQ and Martin, who were the guys who did the faltering.
The reason Pecco fought Quartararo was because he had a disastrous start to the season. Quartararo made the maximum out of a bad package.

Last season he also made a habit of making costly mistakes. He was very fortunate to have Martin throw away his Mandalika race.

You rarely see so many mistakes being more by multiple world champions.
 
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Alex Marquez placed his bike there and forced it through Pecco's bike trying to make him crash. That is my view and it's clear to me. I respect everyone's opinion but I won't change mine no matter what you guys say. Period. Move on.
 
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Alex Marquez placed his bike there and forced it through Pecco's bike trying to make him crash. That is my view and it's clear to me. I respect everyone's opinion but I won't change mine no matter what you guys say. Period. Move on.
So the stewards are biased in favour of Alex Marquez ?. You can have whatever view you like obviously but people including me are going to call said view nonsensical before moving on themselves. How did you see MM vs Bagnaia at Portimao just for my interest ?.
 
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The reason Pecco fought Quartararo was because he had a disastrous start to the season. Quartararo made the maximum out of a bad package.

Last season he also made a habit of making costly mistakes. He was very fortunate to have Martin throw away his Mandalika race.

You rarely see so many mistakes being more by multiple world champions.
This may be so, but FQ also threw his bike down the road on several occasions trying for positions higher than he needed to win the title given the points lead he had at one time..
 
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Quit smoking rocks! Leave those for Cal to slide through
.... you 😅

This should be the end of it, really.
This back and forth yapping takes away from what is a historic day for M Marquez.

The crash isn’t the main event. Move on.
Totally agree. Sometimes a crash is a racing incident. People seem so hellbent on finding someone to blame.

As i said before, im just relieved both walked away.
Yep agreed 100%.

Let's be real, I thought Marc was done after Jerez 2020.

What he has done, the only parallel to it is Mick Doohan.

If he goes on to win the title next season, I think it will have been one of the greatest sporting comebacks we'll ever witness.

His arm was rotated by 30 ....... degrees. I think most of us would consider it good fortune just to be able to ride a bike on the street again after 4 operations like the ones that he had. Yet he is racing in the highest level of motorcycle competition on the planet, and he he won a grand prix on a year and a half old satellite bike by demolishing the field.

He doesn't give up. It's genuinely inspirational to watch.
The very same people who criticise him for leaving Honda to join a satellite team also criticise Fabio Q for staying with Yamaha for nothing but big bucks.

I've sais countless times. Its ok to not like the guy, but no one worth they salt can not respect him for what hes gone through.
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Terrible opinion. 0 out of 5 stars. Your ability to debate has been revoked.
Agreed, kool-aid.

If the data shows Alex twisting the throttle, it's consistent with him not knowing Bagnaia was there.

Remember the Spoon curve at Jerez in 2018?
 

Bezzechi’s Ride Shyte Device failed to disengage at the start as well.

And in the warm-up, problems for Bagnaia with his holeshot (?) device. Something that interfered with his practice start.

If riders have good or bad starts, I want it to be down to rider skills. Not technology working or not.

Now Bagnaia’s Ride Shyte Device failing to engage during the practice start session.

Is the ride height problems just with the Ducati’s ?

Rins wins the Japan cup. Isn’t that something.
And in front of the Aprilia’s

Ah Conspiracy time for the crash…. AM helps MM in the championship

There’s been a number of crashes this year when Pecco overtakes, I’m wondering if the style of Pecco’s riding means he has to commit to a line thru a corner and is unable to make adjustments?

Just to show how spread out the field was look where DiGi finished after getting a 16 second penalty
 
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Assuming my maths are correct, Marquez could have got a 16 second penalty and been on the podium.
Martin with the same penalty would've ended up 6th.
Shows how far ahead of everyone those two guys were.
 
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Does the fact that AM never left the circuit come into play when deciding who is at fault? Obviously he ran wide but he never rejoined the track, nor did he have a real opportunity to see Pecco given he was on the inside of the corner and had his bike between him and Pecco. I'm not arguing against it being a race incident. It clearly was but if we must attribute blame then surely we attribute more of it to the guy overtaking?
 
This Bag talk about open throttle is nonsense. This was a race, remember? You cannot race with closed throttle. Bag assumes if he starts passing and is next to other guy then this other rider must close throttle and slow down to accommodate his sloppy passing maneuver? Or, perhaps he is such a big boss, everyone must close their throttles when he happens to be in proximity? I'm starting to lose respect towards him. Some more memorable cases:
1. Drinking so much he couldn't drive. Two points here, drinking too much and driving.
2. Talking about the need to get mandatory superlicenses. F1 drivers pay through their nose for these licenses. Speaking without thinking.
3. Mentioning to journalists the performance of satellite bikes should be limited. You may wish it, but you do not talk about it!
4. Now this nonsense about forbidding and condemning Alex for racing him.

Marc, go! Show this brat his place.
 
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As Carchedi says, Marc's speed entering the corner and use of the brakes is on a different level.

That is what we remember from his HRC days.

Can he make Dall'Igna free up his bike from the aero restraints? Or could he adapt to the tracks where there is grip?
 
As Carchedi says, Marc's speed entering the corner and use of the brakes is on a different level.

That is what we remember from his HRC days.

Can he make Dall'Igna free up his bike from the aero restraints? Or could he adapt to the tracks where there is grip?
It must be working for him on some level, given his results compared to the other GP23s. Of the 10 GPs he has finished the average gap between him and the next 23 is 6 seconds. If we take out Aragon as an outlier it is still 4.3 seconds. So he is still making a difference somewhere.
For reference Pecco's advantage over the other 24s in races he has finished works out to be 1.5 seconds.
 
Some of us do not ride, it seems. It happened so fast AM had no time to react, leave alone taking avoiding action. The only thing he could have done was to grab brakes, this would have resulted inevitably in losing front and the following crash would have looked a little different, that's all, both riders still out.
“It happened so fast … etc”. Exactly. That’s pretty much the definition of a racing incident. These guys are not “gods”. Much as we mortals like to subscribe to that narrative, we’re all of us guilty of pissing and moaning when one of them falls off their perceived pedestals. Did Alex take him down? .... yes. Was it intentional? No. Was Pecco perfect in that split-second decision? No. Aright then. Time to move on to the next life-changing internet drama. Okay everybody, get yer measuring tapes and microscopes and keep that string of pearls close by.

My two cents BTW. Pecco fuc*ed up. He pulled in front of an irresistible object. Alex had nowhere to go. If Alex had braked hard enough to avoid him, he’d have gone over the bars and headed for the moon.
 
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Exactly Kesh. I try not to be snooty but many many people who watch the sport have never raced and so have no idea how quickly these things happen and what little time you have to react. People are always quick to look at the multiple replays, slo mos and make a judgement based on all that information when in reality, the incident happened in a split second and each rider only had their view at the time, literally.
 


Technically Bagnaia did exactly the same thing. Öncü was penalized, two race ban for this. I'm out. This nonsense has Rossi hallmarks. It is no longer about racing.
 
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If Pecco is going to start embodying the 2015 Vale mindset, then he's preparing himself mentally to lose this championship, just like 2015 Vale mentally checked himself out of title contention by trying to play mind games and blaming everyone else instead of focusing on his own speed. If this is the case, I await some ugly months in terms of narratives and rider meltdowns. Which ironically would make Marc's position stronger for the start of 2025. This is the exact moment Pecco needs to avoid emulating his idol and mentor, he has to realize this and if he's as cerebral as he's been claimed, he should not give in into that conspiratorial train of thought.
 
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If Pecco is going to start embodying the 2015 Vale mindset, then he's is preparing himself mentally to lose this championship, just like 2015 Vale mentally checked himself out of title contention by trying to play mind games and blaming everyone else instead of focusing on his own speed. If this is the case, I await some ugly months in terms of narratives and rider meltdowns. Which ironically would make Marc's position stronger for the start of 2025. This is the exact moment Pecco needs to avoid emulating his idol and mentor, he has to realize this and if he's as cerebral as he's been claimed, he should not give in into that conspiratorial train of thought.
Exactly right. The biggest problem is his inner circle promotes this. Rossi, Uccio, and Bezz am sure are in his ear telling him to attack the Marq bros. This will backfire. Last thing he wants is for Marc to get involved in his battle with Martin. I am willing to bet before this season is over Pecco and Rossi will say Marc is helping Jorge win the championship. Another case of history being doomed to repeat itself.
 

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