Gran Premio GoPro de Aragón Aug. 29 -Sept. 1 2024

gui22a said:

Yeah it was a very strange move by AM. I felt it watching live and now rewatching again and again it seems to me that it was a deliberate move by his side. No explanation for him to stand up his bike after the touch instead of keep leaning it to go inside moving away from the contact. That would be an instinct move, not stading the bike up to force it over Pecco's bike. Personally I have 0 doubt that he tried to hit Pecco on purpose. It was so obvious he saw Pecco, and he lied on the interview saying that he didn't see him. Lie! That is sad and now I can understand why the Valeban keeps getting fired up against the Marquez clan. The sport definitely doesn't need another chapter of this. AM atitude won't help MM story with Ducati fanbase either and MM doesn't deserve to be seen as an ....... because of AM atitude. I think MM has really matured.

I sincerely hope Ducati demands AM to be fired by Gresini after his contract expires or no deal made anymore. From now on I have 0 respect for AM both for directing affecting one of the championship contenders and also by scratching MM image in front of Ducati fanbase in such a great moment of him and for Ducati.

Alex Marquez is a ..........

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Terrible opinion. 0 out of 5 stars. Your ability to debate has been revoked.

Yes, yes, you can hear him on the footage pressing down on the accelerator pedal.

I'm not into conspiracy theories. I can see how the accident happened, but to go much further would require mind-reading, which I don't believe in either.

Personally I note the decision mentioned the lack off grip off-line. I think that instead of other situations where the rider on the outside may try to brazen it out around the outside while the rider being overtaken may try to hold the inside line, that both of them went for the racing line. And, crashed.

nick666 said:

Yes, yes, you can hear him on the footage pressing down on the accelerator pedal.

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Same thing to police said when retrieving Pecco's car from the ditch.

JPSLotus said:

Of course there is the other train of thought that who really cares who was responsible at this point. The damage has been done as far as the championship points goes for Pecco anyhow. I'm looking forward to seeing how or if he can recover next weekend at Misano.

I consider both riders walking away without injury to be the real win since Pecco got stuffed under the bike, and that could have gone really badly for him.

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It was something of a miracle that he didn't break anything. That was really brutal.

gui22a said:

Yeah it was a very strange move by AM. I felt it watching live and now rewatching again and again it seems to me that it was a deliberate move by his side. No explanation for him to stand up his bike after the touch instead of keep leaning it to go inside moving away from the contact. That would be an instinct move, not stading the bike up to force it over Pecco's bike. Personally I have 0 doubt that he tried to hit Pecco on purpose. It was so obvious he saw Pecco, and he lied on the interview saying that he didn't see him. Lie! That is sad and now I can understand why the Valeban keeps getting fired up against the Marquez clan. The sport definitely doesn't need another chapter of this. AM atitude won't help MM story with Ducati fanbase either and MM doesn't deserve to be seen as an ....... because of AM atitude. I think MM has really matured.

I sincerely hope Ducati demands AM to be fired by Gresini after his contract expires or no deal made anymore. From now on I have 0 respect for AM both for directing affecting one of the championship contenders and also by scratching MM image in front of Ducati fanbase in such a great moment of him and for Ducati.

Alex Marquez is a ..........

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Amigo - Stick to something light, like a nice refreshing caipirinha and leave the ayahuasca to the big boys.

Keshav said:

Amigo - Stick to something light, like a nice refreshing caipirinha and leave the ayahuasca to the big boys.

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Have you tried a caipirinha?

Interesting logic. The one case where another rider very definitely aimed his bike at anotge

gui22a said:

Yeah it was a very strange move by AM. I felt it watching live and now rewatching again and again it seems to me that it was a deliberate move by his side. No explanation for him to stand up his bike after the touch instead of keep leaning it to go inside moving away from the contact. That would be an instinct move, not stading the bike up to force it over Pecco's bike. Personally I have 0 doubt that he tried to hit Pecco on purpose. It was so obvious he saw Pecco, and he lied on the interview saying that he didn't see him. Lie! That is sad and now I can understand why the Valeban keeps getting fired up against the Marquez clan. The sport definitely doesn't need another chapter of this. AM atitude won't help MM story with Ducati fanbase either and MM doesn't deserve to be seen as an ....... because of AM atitude. I think MM has really matured.

I sincerely hope Ducati demands AM to be fired by Gresini after his contract expires or no deal made anymore. From now on I have 0 respect for AM both for directing affecting one of the championship contenders and also by scratching MM image in front of Ducati fanbase in such a great moment of him and for Ducati.

Alex Marquez is a ..........

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warthog1 said:

It aint 100% either riders fault. They share the blame. Time to move on.

The post race wrap up was ok. Wont see Marc dominate like that again this season, Crafar was saying. He is correct, but also that he has a better base set up.

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I think the better base set up is a thing. Seems to have transferred to Alex as well, who was faster than the other GP23 riders.

M Marquez winning a race
Ferrari winning a race

I might have to break out the Nokia 3310 to complete the nostalgia experience.

The status of the rider seems to be influential in these circumstances. With the Simoncelli/Pedrosa thing in 2011 Simoncelli the outside rider was penalised, and I thought at the time that Pedrosa was the one who had attempted but not completed a pass on Simoncelli, although most disagreed with me, and also hit a bump which altered his progress.

Simon Crafar knows what it is not to be a favoured rider and seems to be a fair man, so we might get something less biased against the non halo riders, not that I disagree with the ruling about this incident, track conditions were likely influential as RD said, and might have led to Alex going a little off line rather than a riding error.

gui22a said:

Yeah it was a very strange move by AM. I felt it watching live and now rewatching again and again it seems to me that it was a deliberate move by his side. No explanation for him to stand up his bike after the touch instead of keep leaning it to go inside moving away from the contact. That would be an instinct move, not stading the bike up to force it over Pecco's bike. Personally I have 0 doubt that he tried to hit Pecco on purpose. It was so obvious he saw Pecco, and he lied on the interview saying that he didn't see him. Lie! That is sad and now I can understand why the Valeban keeps getting fired up against the Marquez clan. The sport definitely doesn't need another chapter of this. AM atitude won't help MM story with Ducati fanbase either and MM doesn't deserve to be seen as an ....... because of AM atitude. I think MM has really matured.

I sincerely hope Ducati demands AM to be fired by Gresini after his contract expires or no deal made anymore. From now on I have 0 respect for AM both for directing affecting one of the championship contenders and also by scratching MM image in front of Ducati fanbase in such a great moment of him and for Ducati.

Alex Marquez is a ..........

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Is this a serious post?

gui22a said:

Yeah it was a very strange move by AM. I felt it watching live and now rewatching again and again it seems to me that it was a deliberate move by his side. No explanation for him to stand up his bike after the touch instead of keep leaning it to go inside moving away from the contact. That would be an instinct move, not stading the bike up to force it over Pecco's bike. Personally I have 0 doubt that he tried to hit Pecco on purpose. It was so obvious he saw Pecco, and he lied on the interview saying that he didn't see him. Lie! That is sad and now I can understand why the Valeban keeps getting fired up against the Marquez clan. The sport definitely doesn't need another chapter of this. AM atitude won't help MM story with Ducati fanbase either and MM doesn't deserve to be seen as an ....... because of AM atitude. I think MM has really matured.

I sincerely hope Ducati demands AM to be fired by Gresini after his contract expires or no deal made anymore. From now on I have 0 respect for AM both for directing affecting one of the championship contenders and also by scratching MM image in front of Ducati fanbase in such a great moment of him and for Ducati.

Alex Marquez is a ..........

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If you want to make it team Valentino/Pecco and Valentino against the Marquez brothers as seems to be the desire of both you and Rossi himself, we do have a clear incident of a rider aiming his bike at a Marquez and it was Valentino at Sepang 2015 rather than the recent Aragon race.

It is also by my count at worst 2:1 Marquez bros vs Bagnaia this season even if you do allocate the blame for this incident entirely to AM, certainly MM was in no way at fault at Portimao and pulled out of a legitimate pass on Bagnaia at another race (? Jerez) to avoid collision. If anything Bagnaia is the one who seems to have decided with encouragement from Valentino on the sidelines that he will not accept being passed by a Marquez, although MM has been the rider concerned.

As someone said pre-race if MM and Bagnaia are in a battle for the title which presumably can’t happen until next year I could see Valentino’s involvement and certainly his charging up of Bagnaia in regard to MM counting against him. MM is provably immune to off track antics from Valentino, and if he is semi miraculously in contention for another title I can see him riding quite circumspectly as he has done to win titles previously, with any sideline involvement from Valentino likely to have no effect on MM other than increasing his motivation while increasing the likelihood of boneheaded moves by Bagnaia, to which he is somewhat prone.

And again, the Valentino vendetta against MM has no basis in fact, Valentino lost the 2015 title, it wasn’t stolen from him by MM or anyone else.

JPSLotus said:

I recall MM waiting till penultimate or last laps to make a lot of race winning overtakes in years past.

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Selective memory.

Marc Marquez has never waited until the last lap. Marc has overtaken riders on the last lap on numerous occasions.

There is a subtle difference there.

All World Champions are aggressive riders.

Pecco is such an ........ He lives in his own alternate reality in which he is always a victim. All of this is total made up .........

Another story from this weekend is the extra seconds added to multiple riders due to tyre pressures.

Sennas_Caress said:

Selective memory.

Marc Marquez has never waited until the last lap. Marc has overtaken riders on the last lap on numerous occasions.

There is a subtle difference there.

All World Champions are aggressive riders.

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Agressive is one thing. Impossible maneuvers are another. Most world champions have excellent ability to make fast decisions that and make moves stick. Sometimes they are right sometimes they are wrong. But Pecco makes these impossible moves often. Not only that he starts a politician type smear campaign after each of these moves. Except responsibility and move one. I don't think we will ever see Pecco admit a mistake.

Pecco does seem to make more mistakes when the stakes are high.

Taking responsibility, now that is something I'm not used to from the champs.

For the championship, this result was perfect.

gui22a said:

Have you tried a caipirinha?

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You bet.

MdubSTYLIE said:

Agressive is one thing. Impossible maneuvers are another. Most world champions have excellent ability to make fast decisions that and make moves stick. Sometimes they are right sometimes they are wrong. But Pecco makes these impossible moves often. Not only that he starts a politician type smear campaign after each of these moves. Except responsibility and move one. I don't think we will ever see Pecco admit a mistake.

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I consider him a good to great rider, and the master thus far of the current paradigm,

I do think you have a point about him accepting responsibility, if he makes an aggressive which comes unstuck it is always the fault of the other rider. I guess MM was angling for a GP25 ride next year, but he didn’t complain like this after Portimao where Pecco was far more at fault than AM in this incident. I don’t think AM even made a riding error, his bike hopped a couple of times probably due to track conditions, and track conditions were what the stewards eventually blamed.

Segfault said:

Bagnaia is still the title favorite, Marc Marques is the next on my list.

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All it would take is a couple of spills by both Pecco and Jorge to have Marc in the hunt, I am not counting out MM yet.

MM has become a beast on the GP23, can only imagine what he'll accomplish if he quickly adapts to a GP25 next year.