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Please, watch it happening. AM ran wide. He continued the best way he could. What else could he do? Slow down and start watching around? Go off track and wait for a moment to rejoin safely? Comon guys, you really did expect him to do any of that? He did the most natural thing, tried to recover while leaving practically the whole track to Bagnaia. When Bagnaia cut in then it happened so fast it was humanly impossible for AM to do anything about it. Watch it, please. Imagine, you are riding the #73 bike. There is nothing you can do to avoid the contact. Nothing! I do not care what the kangaroo court may decide.
 
I've caught up with Moto2, so please don't read further if you haven't yet seen the race.






Great race by Dixon. When he was described as the 'in form' rider at the moment, I thought that a bit premature. But, I was wrong :)

No rider who has a seat in MotoGP next year did better than sixth. Aldeguer was looking impressive, but as people here said - he was trying too hard.

Personally I thought that Arbolino looked a bit tired after the race, while Dixon was fresher.

Great to see Oncu get his first podium.

All in all a very entertaining weekend.
 
After letting a little bit of time sink in on this, I think more blame goes with Alex Marquez for not at least being aware of how close Pecco was and assuming he wouldn't put himself in the position that he did. That said, it was a racing incident, and yes these incidents seem to follow him. Don't know if it's a spatial awareness/situational awareness issue, but given how well he was riding the past number of races, he should have been a bit more circumspect given how tight the championship points battle was going into today's GP.
 
Sennas_Caress said:
No world champion leaves an overtake to the next lap.

Hopefully neither rider is injured.

Congratulations to Marquez, he had worked hard and long to be on the top step again.

As for the track, it's one thing to have a tight racing line, but to have a dirty track for the start is not world championship standard.
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Interesting about the dirt at that part of the track, in that IIRC - other than Pecco, no-one at that part of the grid seemed to have been affected by it. Wasn't there an incident a year or so ago, where a team got fined for cleaning up their grid spot? Or am I mis-remembering that? Or was it that they artificially made the one spot extra grippy?
 
Keshav said:
Interesting about the dirt at that part of the track, in that IIRC - other than Pecco, no-one at that part of the grid seemed to have been affected by it. Wasn't there an incident a year or so ago, where a team got fined for cleaning up their grid spot? Or am I mis-remembering that? Or was it that they artificially made the one spot extra grippy?
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It probably didn't help that when he did his extra start this morning he did it from the wrong spot. They let the riders do a practice start before the race from their grid position. Pecco ...... that up too.
 
Some folks think in past the rider inside has been found guilty. But this case is not one of those where the rider ahead leaves the door open and the rider behind attempts pass inside. Here Alex was riding his line and Bagnaia was the one who attempted to pass outside, he returned to the racing line prematurely, it wasn't free. Dammit, I'm reading some comments on the internet and there are people who defy physics. Dudes, if you do not believe in Newton then jumping off a skyscraper would be safe for you, right?
 
Of course there is the other train of thought that who really cares who was responsible at this point. The damage has been done as far as the championship points goes for Pecco anyhow. I'm looking forward to seeing how or if he can recover next weekend at Misano.

I consider both riders walking away without injury to be the real win since Pecco got stuffed under the bike, and that could have gone really badly for him.
 
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synn said:
This should be the end of it, really.
This back and forth yapping takes away from what is a historic day for M Marquez.

The crash isn’t the main event. Move on.
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Yep agreed 100%.

Let's be real, I thought Marc was done after Jerez 2020.

What he has done, the only parallel to it is Mick Doohan.

If he goes on to win the title next season, I think it will have been one of the greatest sporting comebacks we'll ever witness.

His arm was rotated by 30 ....... degrees. I think most of us would consider it good fortune just to be able to ride a bike on the street again after 4 operations like the ones that he had. Yet he is racing in the highest level of motorcycle competition on the planet, and he he won a grand prix on a year and a half old satellite bike by demolishing the field.

He doesn't give up. It's genuinely inspirational to watch.
 
There was a similar accident at COTA in 2021, Moto3 rider Oncu turned into Alcoba. The only difference is at COTA it happened on a straight. Nobody blamed Alcoba for not disappearing and making space "because the other rider was ahead". If MotoGP stewards had any consistency they should have declared Bagnaia guilty for unsafe maneuver, irresponsible riding.
 
MichaelBolton said:
Bagnaia channeling his inner Vale

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Yeah it was a very strange move by AM. I felt it watching live and now rewatching again and again it seems to me that it was a deliberate move by his side. No explanation for him to stand up his bike after the touch instead of keep leaning it to go inside moving away from the contact. That would be an instinct move, not stading the bike up to force it over Pecco's bike. Personally I have 0 doubt that he tried to hit Pecco on purpose. It was so obvious he saw Pecco, and he lied on the interview saying that he didn't see him. Lie! That is sad and now I can understand why the Valeban keeps getting fired up against the Marquez clan. The sport definitely doesn't need another chapter of this. AM atitude won't help MM story with Ducati fanbase either and MM doesn't deserve to be seen as an ....... because of AM atitude. I think MM has really matured.

I sincerely hope Ducati demands AM to be fired by Gresini after his contract expires or no deal made anymore. From now on I have 0 respect for AM both for directing affecting one of the championship contenders and also by scratching MM image in front of Ducati fanbase in such a great moment of him and for Ducati.

Alex Marquez is a ..........
 
gui22a said:
Yeah it was a very strange move by AM. I felt it watching live and now rewatching again and again it seems to me that it was a deliberate move by his side. No explanation for him to stand up his bike after the touch instead of keep leaning it to go inside moving away from the contact. That would be an instinct move, not stading the bike up to force it over Pecco's bike. Personally I have 0 doubt that he tried to hit Pecco on purpose. It was so obvious he saw Pecco, and he lied on the interview saying that he didn't see him. Lie! That is sad and now I can understand why the Valeban keeps getting fired up against the Marquez clan. The sport definitely doesn't need another chapter of this. AM atitude won't help MM story with Ducati fanbase either and MM doesn't deserve to be seen as an ....... because of AM atitude. I think MM has really matured.

I sincerely hope Ducati demands AM to be fired by Gresini after his contract expires or no deal made anymore. From now on I have 0 respect for AM both for directing affecting one of the championship contenders and also by scratching MM image in front of Ducati fanbase in such a great moment of him and for Ducati.

Alex Marquez is a ..........
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Aw, bollocks. No rider ever tries crashing purposedly into another, they race on two wheels, not four. A crash could permanently injure a rider. Stop thinking the world of Grand Prix racing is some sort of comic where riders can enact complex decisions in the fraction of a second just to ruin someone's else race out of evilness. Then again, that kind of thinking is par of course by the Valeban, more obsessed with superheroes than reality.
 


Important to note that Rins won on a freaking Honda at COTA where grip was at a premium as well.

From everything I’ve read, he’s an old school rider who uses minimum electronics, and this is the sort of track situation where such riders make a difference.

Really happy for him. P9 is an excellent result, all things considered.
 

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