MotoGP: 2016 Round 12 - Octo British Grand Prix Silverstone Circuit UK (SPOILERS)

The Burning Barber said:

Wow, what a race. To think I was worried about staying up extra late with work the next day for a dull race. I didn't expect to see Maverick do a Lorenzo by going so hard from the get go and build a nice buffer to control his lead. We know the last win by a Suzuki was Vermuelen in the wet '07 but when was the last time Suzuki won in the dry? Kenny Roberts? This will no doubt give Maverick and Suzuki a nice boost of confidence.

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Arrabbiata1 said:

But it wasn't - you're wrong. See previous post. Valencia 2001 was a wet race following a rain shower which resulted in several crashes on the warm up lap. Checa was one of them who having trashed his bike jumped on his No.2 also shod with slicks front and rear. Max, as a a championship contender, was more cautious than his teammate with an intermediate front. Gibernau also gambled on slick tyres front and rear on a surface like ice. Given the damp conditions the usual suspects were up front - Barros and KRjnr but Sete took the win as the track dried while Checa riding a heroic race just missed out on a podium. I think Max beat Vale who were something like tenth and eleventh respectfully. Rossi may well have been on full wets or inters front and rear.

The 125 race that year was a ....... belter - an absolute classic which I still have on VHS video somewhere. It culminated in Moody emotionally spewing 'and if that didn't move you...then you have no soul'

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In that case Kropo is wrong coz I'd just read it on there .

Daniboy said:

In that case Kropo is wrong

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Yup - that'll teach you to check the veracity of your sources before parroting them!!

I remember the treacherous conditions catching out Capirossi for one. Gibernau was always fast in the wet although I recall him harshly crashing out of the lead at Estoril one year when it started to rain - lamb to the slaughter. He also memorably chucked it away at Redgate in the British GP during the 2005 downpour- the year of the Rossi masterclass.

Arrabbiata1 said:

Yup - that'll teach you to check the veracity of your sources before parroting them!!

I remember the treacherous conditions catching out Capirossi for one. Gibernau was always fast in the wet although I recall him harshly crashing out of the lead at Estoril one year when it started to rain - lamb to the slaughter. He also memorably chucked it away at Redgate in the British GP during the 2005 downpour- the year of the Rossi masterclass.

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I was fortunate enough to be there in 05, in one lap he'd gapped the chasing pack by about 5 seconds and just carried on pulling away.
Then I had my ride home to Cumbria, took a soaking of a lifetime and got so cold that I couldn't carry on, stopped in a Travelodge for the night, got about a gallon of water out of my leathers !

Daniboy said:

I was fortunate enough to be there in 05, in one lap he'd gapped the chasing pack by about 5 seconds and just carried on pulling away.
Then I had my ride home to Cumbria, took a soaking of a lifetime and got so cold that I couldn't carry on, stopped in a Travelodge for the night, got about a gallon of water out of my leathers !

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Jeez - you rode back to the Lakes in that? - or I'm guessing Carlisle? Not a particularly dry part of the country in itself. M6 must've been a complete joy.

It was ridiculous - one of the greatest rides I have ever seen trackside. Like I say, Sete, Barros and Kenny Jnr were both no slouches in the wet, Gibbers had already fallen - but both alex and Jnr. said when Vale pulled the pin they simply couldn't follow. Upon later inspection, his telemetry was obscene.

Arrabbiata1 said:

Jeez - you rode back to the Lakes in that? - or I'm guessing Carlisle? Not a particularly dry part of the country in itself. M6 must've been a complete joy.

It was ridiculous - one of the greatest rides I have ever seen trackside. Like I say, Sete, Barros and Kenny Jnr were both no slouches in the wet, Gibbers had already fallen - but both alex and Jnr. said when Vale pulled the pin they simply couldn't follow. Upon later inspection, his telemetry was obscene.

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Didn't make the lakes, stopped somewhere just off the m62, few beers and a nights sleep then home to sunny Barrow.

shovelhead said:

Post Race Conference:

Rossi says.... If you go off the Track is because you made a mistake and should be penalized, shouldn't be allowed to return to your position...

Hmmmmm....Assen 2015.... Rossi did Go off track... Not penalized and won the race.


Whatcha talking about Vale?

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Not to mention his excursion in the corkscrew at Laguna. Edit - I see Michael beat me to it.


But in any case, GREAT ....... race! Had everything you could ask for. Big props to Vinales who looks to be the real thing; may be starring in Rossi's nightmares this winter.

The Ducati looked great in Iannone's hands until he threw it away; a good sign for Lorenzo - if and when he comes out of his current state of funk. Have there been any incisive interviews with him lately? He looks like he's just chillin' and staying healthy for next year.

Thumbs up for Crutchlow for providing some of the best action in the race.

Rossi still not afraid to trade a bit of paint at his age; credit where credit is due.

And welcome back De-Evolved Marquez! A pisser to watch. Loved seeing the Honda executives in the pits trying to act as if Marquez hadn't totally lost his eye on the championship.

Worth watching again.

povol said:

When was Casey Stoner a backmarker.

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IMHO you are both right. I think most of the backmarkers while obviously still possessed of powers and abilities far beyond those of mortal men wouldn't be contending for championships if riding factory Hondas or Yamahas. However imo it is also likely there is an occasional rider like Casey Stoner who is crashing because he is riding a non-competitive bike far beyond what that bike should be capable of, and Stoner would quite possibly be rated with the artist formerly known as Cal Crutchslow, in his previous incarnation prior to the last 4 races, if he hadn't pretty much fluked the one year fill in/rental ride with Ducati while they were waiting for Marco Melandri to complete his previous contract. The pole and very close 2nd in the dry on the LCR Honda obviously should perhaps have impressed more than was recognised by most at the time, but even many of his fans including me were I would contend frankly stunned by the degree of his success once on the Ducati.

I wonder about John Hopkins for instance if he had ever got on a real factory bike prior to Suzuki's temporary demise and all the injuries, and perhaps Bradl who looked pretty good in Moto 2 and only ever rode non-competitive bikes in the premier class. The likes of Pol Espargaro though, only imo would be less likely to be transformed by a factory ride, and he may, again imo, have reached a level appropriate for his talents.

What the .... was going through Marquez's mind over those last few laps? It's not as if there were any danger of Rossi taking points in numbers sufficient to seriously affect the outcome of the championship. Makes you wonder if Rossi did something recently to piss him off again. It was a spectacle for sure, but that Honda was all over the place. I thought he was done with win it or bin it.

Little Walter said:

What the .... was going through Marquez's mind over those last few laps? It's not as if there were any danger of Rossi taking points in numbers sufficient to seriously affect the outcome of the championship. Makes you wonder if Rossi did something recently to piss him off again. It was a spectacle for sure, but that Honda was all over the place. I thought he was done with win it or bin it.

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Hadn't thought about whether Marquez was riled, but Rossi did bring up the events of late season last year pre-race. He passed Rossi but still contested Cal rather vigorously though didn't he?

Uhhhh he battled Cal just as hard as he did Rossi so bringing up Sepang from Rossi just proves what a child he is and how he still hasn't gotten over the fact he just wasn't fast enough last year. Ironically he brings up Sepang when they were both fighting for 3rd much like they were at Silverstone. I think he saw an opportunity to effectively end the championship. A 7 point gain on Rossi at this stage knowing what Rossi form has been like from Aragon on historically probably wins him the title.

Edit to add: the fact that Rossi is still being given a platform to pedal his conspiracy theories shows just how much DORNA is in his pocket and the tyres suiting him over Lorenzo look less and less like a conspiracy.

michaelm said:

Hadn't thought about whether Marquez was riled, but Rossi did bring up the events of late season last year pre-race. He passed Rossi but still contested Cal rather vigorously though didn't he?

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Once the firecracker is lit, the fuse only gets shorter

Maverick got the pick of the tyres this week then. He rode very well though.

Hold on a minute, crutchlow isn't allowed to race Marquez is he? ..... Cal is a changed man since becoming a dad. Good for him.

As an English man I find it alarming that there was a bigger cheer for Rossi overtaking cal (until cal burnt him off) than the other way around.

Lorenzos eyes during the on board quali were Ducati red. He was thinking about his tea.

Little Walter said:

What the .... was going through Marquez's mind over those last few laps? It's not as if there were any danger of Rossi taking points in numbers sufficient to seriously affect the outcome of the championship. Makes you wonder if Rossi did something recently to piss him off again. It was a spectacle for sure, but that Honda was all over the place. I thought he was done with win it or bin it.

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I`m not trying to make excuses for Marquez here, but in an one of the close-up replays, we seen one of the winglets of Marc`s bike (the left one IIRC) been somehow touched by a brave passing Crutchlow. The bike was obviously unsettled, Marquez couldn't brake and ran wide. Anyway, great race and congrats to Cal. He start to redeem his previous mistakes with this results, and I`m mostly happy for Lucio Cecchinello. This guy seems to have a "good hand" at picking riders who trash bikes, Randy de Puniet was also in his team before Cal, and, of course, Casey Stoner.

paparazzo said:

Hiya chief. :spin:

I don't know where anyone here works or why the use their avatar. I thought he runs whorehouse in Nouveau Chine (Vancouver). Either way, I don't care. This forum may be your life but it isn't mine. And I thought you put me on ignore long time ago as you claimed. You just couldn't do it, could you. As usual, you are also full of ....! GTFO of this forum.

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Alright Alright Alright...

First if you don't know the difference between a Lifestyle club and Brothel, you are even less educated than I thought.

Yes... I am sadden that Lorenzo can't come to grip with the Michelins.

Rossi's punishment is Valencia was nothing, starting from the back and have everybody admit that they moved aside to let him thru... pfff , in the end, the reality is that no matter where Rossi started in Valencia... the best he could have done is 4th which is what he did. Unlike Marquez who started from the back and won that moto2 race, now that's something to be proud of.

A real punishment would have been what Zarco got this weekend, a 30 seconds ding. Now that would have been more appropriate last year in Sepang, but that would have been too harsh because Rossi championship hopes would have been mathematically out of reach.

I am a fan of racing... not a one racer fan/groupie, but a true racing fan.

Having said that.... The only person that put excitement in that race was Marquez, this guy is entertaining... and skillful.


In the end, at his age, Rossi is still doing awesome.
Rossi is undeniably the GOAT.

If Rossi had to start at the back of the grid this year with the more level playing field does anyone believe he gets up to 4th?

p4p1 said:

That was more to do with Rossi giving Marquez nowhere to go after he had passed on the outside than Marquez trying a desperate move.

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Desperate move? rofl. You did not read my post. Marc PRACTICED THAT MOVE. I saw him do it, live and in living color. He just waited for the opportunity to make it happen. Not only was I happy for the Stoner payback, but I was thoroughly impressed with MM's skill and determination. It even impressed Rossi, ya' know. The guy is still that good, in my opinion.

Iamapony said:

Desperate move? rofl. You did not read my post. Marc PRACTICED THAT MOVE. I saw him do it, live and in living color. He just waited for the opportunity to make it happen. Not only was I happy for the Stoner payback, but I was thoroughly impressed with MM's skill and determination. It even impressed Rossi, ya' know. The guy is still that good, in my opinion.

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I think you need to read what I wrote again, I never said it was a desperate move I said Rossi left him nowhere to go. It was Rossis ruthless side coming out when he didn't give the guy in front of him room.

p4p1 said:

I think you need to read what I wrote again, I never said it was a desperate move I said Rossi left him nowhere to go. It was Rossis ruthless side coming out when he didn't give the guy in front of him room.

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Rossi actually then reversed it on him at Assen 2015, where he had fairly obviously pre-planned his response to Marc's questionable move.

michaelm said:

Rossi actually then reversed it on him at Assen 2015, where he had fairly obviously pre-planned his response to Marc's questionable move;

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Riight, Rossi was pre-planning getting hit by Marc just so he could cut across the gravel.

shovelhead said:

Alright Alright Alright...

First if you don't know the difference between a Lifestyle club and Brothel, you are even less educated than I thought.

Yes... I am sadden that Lorenzo can't come to grip with the Michelins.

Rossi's punishment is Valencia was nothing, starting from the back and have everybody admit that they moved aside to let him thru... pfff , in the end, the reality is that no matter where Rossi started in Valencia... the best he could have done is 4th which is what he did. Unlike Marquez who started from the back and won that moto2 race, now that's something to be proud of.

A real punishment would have been what Zarco got this weekend, a 30 seconds ding. Now that would have been more appropriate last year in Sepang, but that would have been too harsh because Rossi championship hopes would have been mathematically out of reach.

I am a fan of racing... not a one racer fan/groupie, but a true racing fan.

Having said that.... The only person that put excitement in that race was Marquez, this guy is entertaining... and skillful.


In the end, at his age, Rossi is still doing awesome.
Rossi is undeniably the GOAT.

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No doubt Rossi is still riding awesomely considering his age, he is still nearly as fast as MM who may end up challenging him for GOAThood is at 23. It is the stuff which surrounds him and his use of it against his competitors to which I object.