MotoGP: 2016 Round 02 - Gran Premio Motul de la República Argentina (SPOILERS)

MdubSTYLIE · Apr 1, 2016

michaelm said:
Rossi will be prominent at the end of this race which he won last year after not showing overly much in practice, particularly if even the hard tyres wear out; preserving tyres and riding well on worn tyres has been one of his most characteristic skills throughout his career.

If Jorge really is going to move to Ducati he is possibly throwing a title away as I can't see Yamaha giving him their strongest support unless he is their only hope.

Looks like Rossi might be in for two in a row if Colin's right. That must be why jumkie dropped everything to head to Austin.

So he could tell everyone there about SNS and its serious adverse effects on motogp.

Gaz · Apr 1, 2016

MdubSTYLIE said:
The test were for Michelin but I would assume they were done on a yamaha or a texas steer.

Probably the steer as that way they could test the wet weather tyres as well, you know when the steer decides to lessen weight

JPSLotus · Apr 1, 2016

Colin Edwards could be bleeding to death anally, and would still take Rossi up his ... if it meant Rossi's happiness.

Him being allowed to test the Michelin's was a horrendously bad idea. Unless you like to see yellow smoke.

Gaz · Apr 1, 2016

JPSLotus said:
Colin Edwards could be bleeding to death anally, and would still take Rossi up his ... if it meant Rossi's happiness.

So CEII is no different (unfortunately) to a large number of other riders who seem to have grown up in awe of Rossi or idolising him and thus may not be able to differentiate between the a flaw of others and a flaw of VR.

IMO only, but without VR I do suspect that CEII would not be as regarded as he is in terms of MotoGP riding or personality as without the coat tails, the media would not have been as pleasant (and this is not criticism of CEII as I do like him)

JPSLotus said:
Him being allowed to test the Michelin's was a horrendously bad idea. Unless you like to see yellow smoke.

Thus why I was inquiring as to the tyre testers and who they maybe (was not Capirex also mentioned at one point?)

IMO only but the tyre testing should be done by the official factory and/or team test rider (which in Ducati's case is Pirro) as then all manufacturers are represented evenly (is CEII the official Yamaha test rider or is that one of the Japanese)

p4p1 · Apr 1, 2016

My only problem with Edwards testing is that he is so far off the pace how can the data really be that relevant to guys that a at least a second a lap quicker than him?

JPSLotus · Apr 1, 2016

p4p1 said:
My only problem with Edwards testing is that he is so far off the pace how can the data really be that relevant to guys that a at least a second a lap quicker than him?

Being a good tester is not dependent on being a fast rider. In fact sometimes the best testers are those who are nothing to be impressed with under race conditions. Very rarely do you get it where someone is great at both.

JPSLotus · Apr 1, 2016

Gaz said:
So CEII is no different (unfortunately) to a large number of other riders who seem to have grown up in awe of Rossi or idolising him and thus may not be able to differentiate between the a flaw of others and a flaw of VR.

IMO only, but without VR I do suspect that CEII would not be as regarded as he is in terms of MotoGP riding or personality as without the coat tails, the media would not have been as pleasant (and this is not criticism of CEII as I do like him)

Thus why I was inquiring as to the tyre testers and who they maybe (was not Capirex also mentioned at one point?)

IMO only but the tyre testing should be done by the official factory and/or team test rider (which in Ducati's case is Pirro) as then all manufacturers are represented evenly (is CEII the official Yamaha test rider or is that one of the Japanese)

Colin isn't going to bite the hand that feeds him since Rossi still helps him out today. When it was announced Edwards was testing last year for Michelin it seemed like an odd choice. But he was clearly selected for some nebulous reason that we'll never know for certain about.

They should have just ran specific testing programs with the factory riders or satellite riders multiple times early last year and throughout the spring, summer, and fall. Would have given an abundance of data that covered a cross section of the spectrum perfectly. Use current riders as opposed to those with s collar and leash attached to their neck.

Iowegian · Apr 1, 2016

Gaz said:
What bike or bikes was he using to test I wonder?

Asking as if only a Yamaha then it is fair to say that the other brands may react differently although I suspect that there were others involved - have not been following the tyre tests

I believe he was using one of the '14 M1s.

Gaz · Apr 1, 2016

Iowegian said:
I believe he was using one of the '14 M1s.

Which if correct is (IMO) somewhat retrograde in that the bike does not represent the machinery of today and thus the feedback may not be relevant to today's electronics and subtle machine refinements.

Again, all IMO but to me, test with current machinery or don't test at all as much of the feedback may well be worthless (not criticising CEII as he can only feedback based on the machine ridden)

Gaz · Apr 1, 2016

JPSLotus said:
Use current riders as opposed to those with s collar and leash attached to their neck.

Thus why I say go with the official factory test riders as it can server two purposes.

1. Testing of tyres
2. Testing of machines outside of standard test times but not by the factory racers

Basically, treat the tyre test days as a combination tyre/machine test days with only the official factory test rider (and that is not to get CS as Pirro is the official test rider for Ducati)

Gaz · Apr 1, 2016

And another Jack Attack video - https://twitter.com/GP_Xtra/status/664528176719228929

And Crutchlow seems to love it as well - https://twitter.com/calcrutchlow/status/664787223716450304

HelloMars · Apr 2, 2016

I still remember, cal said he believed that his riding style was similar to stoner, so he moved to ducati to confirmed.
cal said this season ducati surely will win in qatar.
cal said dani would be a dark house this season
now he said, jack was special.

I still do believe everything what he said.

but I don't believe when he said ducati and honda was far more difficult to ride than yamaha.

Iowegian · Apr 2, 2016

Gaz said:
Thus why I say go with the official factory test riders as it can server two purposes.

1. Testing of tyres

2. Testing of machines outside of standard test times but not by the factory racers

Basically, treat the tyre test days as a combination tyre/machine test days with only the official factory test rider (and that is not to get CS as Pirro is the official test rider for Ducati)

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/sport/motogp/2015/january/colin-edwards-talks-early-michelin-testing/

In this, it sounds like he started testing in '14.

Keshav · Apr 2, 2016

HelloMars said:
I still remember, cal said he believed that his riding style was similar to stoner, so he moved to ducati to confirmed.
cal said this season ducati surely will win in qatar.
cal said dani would be a dark house this season
now he said, jack was special.

I still do believe everything what he said.

but I don't believe when he said ducati and honda was far more difficult to ride than yamaha.

Interesting. Care to elucidate?

Cool Blue · Apr 2, 2016

Gaz said:
And another Jack Attack video - https://twitter.com/GP_Xtra/status/664528176719228929

And Crutchlow seems to love it as well - https://twitter.com/calcrutchlow/status/664787223716450304

Despite whatever... Cal is a big supporter of Jack and generous with his praise. That says a lot for me.

Cool Blue · Apr 2, 2016

Keshav said:
Interesting. Care to elucidate?

I don't know but I'm pretty sure that's illegal in most states in your home country... even between consenting adults...

yamfan · Apr 2, 2016

Fenati top in moto3 fp3.

JPSLotus · Apr 2, 2016

MM still fastest in FP3.

Lorenzo finally got a setup that got him into P2.

Rossi just barely made it into Q2 with a P10.

The RCV looks wild, going to be interesting to see what kind of race pace it actually has or if it even lends itself to a good race pace. Pure one lap speed is not an issue.

michaelm · Apr 2, 2016

JPSLotus said:
MM still fastest in FP3.

Lorenzo finally got a setup that got him into P2.

Rossi just barely made it into Q2 with a P10.

The RCV looks wild, going to be interesting to see what kind of race pace it actually has or if it even lends itself to a good race pace. Pure one lap speed is not an issue.

MM doubtless had more single lap pace in him, but crashed twice towards the end of the session not inspiring great confidence in his potential whole race pace as you say.

Lorenzo got into a relentless groove as is his wont towards the end, but I haven't changed my opinion that Rossi is still in the race if the tyres don't last race distance.

ananthakannan · Apr 2, 2016

Yamaha has finally found some pace today, kudos mainly to Lorenzo.

What is with the slight friction between MM and DP?

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